Season 8 **Spoiler Lab** - 'Feast Your Eyes...'

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I was on location all day yesterday and talked to DC, Rex, Togo, Emily, a writer (who told me what they were shooting, who was in the shots, and when they were ending filming for the day), and just in general listening to the crew chat. Pictures will be up soon prolly tomorrow.


Ryan will be stepping up his role basically filling in delko's shoes for a bit. It seems like they were going to have Eddie in that position, but from the shooting yesterday there was a lot of Ryan..Eddie didn't even get to set before I left (at least I didnt see him at all). I was there from like 9am-330pm and they stopped shooting at 7pm. Emily got there around 3 and she said hair & make-up takes like 45 min.

Was in cali for the week on vacation, met up & hung with A. Zuiker for his book signings, and saw family.
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Gosh, that must have been cool to see them in person! And although I am guardedly obtimistic about the Ryan news, nothing would make me happier to see Ryan step up and fill Delko's shoes! Maybe he will start getting the character development Eric was getting.

The storylines for him aren't really that good though in terms of ... well, he's always in trouble in some way or another. Just once I want him to be given a storyline where he's the hero and in a way that no one can dispute (unlike WISC where he had to do the wrong thing for the right reasons- to save an innocent little boy). I think they should have a scene where Ryan's questioning a witness and there's a pool nearby and some kids playing. One kid falls into the pool, the woman screams "my baby!" Ryan jumps into the pool, pulling the kid out. And the mother thanks him profusely. :)
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:lol:. Here's hoping he will:)

It would be great if the writers didn't repeat the same history season after season as far as Ryan's character. He does get about one really good story a season.It's good in the fact that JT may get to show various ranges of emotion(which he is great at) but the character always comes out of it not looking the greatest. There is always a lot of discussion,disagreement and sometimes outrage over the episode(which maybe what is wanted by TBTB and writers) but there is no reason why Ryan can't do something great and still be a cause for discussion. The Ryan in trouble,can he be trusted,blah blah is really old.
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JT is a great actor and maybe he'll get the stories to show that off.:)



I say they pass that torch onto the new guy and let Ryan do everything right for a change. :lol: There is already that one spoiler about Jesse questioning a suspect without their council present or was it looking through a suspect's belongings without a warrant? I forget. Either way, that's a pretty big no no. It won't hold up in court (the evidence I mean).
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My biggest fear was that Jesse was going to come off as Super-CSI; great at everything and picking up after a long line and another season of Ryan's questions and mistakes:(

Eric is going to have to deal with the ramifications. I don't doubt he'll be suspended, just be lucky that he isn't Ryan because then he'd just get fired! :lol:

No doubt- Ryan will fill his getting in trouble quota this season. -rolls eyes-
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Ho-hum, what can I say. These characters do change & take on new characteristics as the seasons progress, perhaps tptb are done making Ryan out to be the one who makes all the mistakes -- maybe that was just a piece in his overall development. Not that I think he'll ever do wrong ever again, but tptb do have the opportunity to turn him around, & I think eventually they will.
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While I was watching some of the earliest episodes (with Speedle), it really hit home to me how much Eric has come and how much he has developed and matured. Speedle was the older mentor, the stable, more "together" one. Eric, on the other hand was more inexperienced, and made youthful mistakes, which Speed addressed in his own way. When Speedle died, the mentor role passed to Eric (one he didn't seem to relish that much with Ryan what with Eric's grieving for Speed and Ryan's brashness and youthful aggressiveness).

Now that Eric is leaving:(, it is time for the baton to be passed to Ryan. It is time for Ryan to take over the mature mentor, more stable role. Getting him in constant trouble now would not only be boring and redundant, but be a step backwards for his character development. WISC, IMHO, was a kind of cross roads for Ryan and his maturation. Pre-WISC, he was implusive and over the top. Post-WISC he seemed to have matured in leaps and bounds. He seems more introspective and more dedicated to his job. Oh, he still is going to make mistakes (and I expect him too, he is as human as everyone else), but the youthful mistakes should be behind him. Let him continue the maturity and growth that Eric got over the years (Ryan's been there since eppie 3 of season 3 for crying out loud) the growth that those of us in the real world obtain as well.

At the risk of ending this posting on a negative note, I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When one seems lazy and lacks imagination, one will revert back to what they know best and the writers on this show seem to know how to get Ryan into constant trouble:(
 
While I was watching some of the earliest episodes (with Speedle), it really hit home to me how much Eric has come and how much he has developed and matured. Speedle was the older mentor, the stable, more "together" one. Eric, on the other hand was more inexperienced, and made youthful mistakes, which Speed addressed in his own way. When Speedle died, the mentor role passed to Eric (one he didn't seem to relish that much with Ryan what with Eric's grieving for Speed and Ryan's brashness and youthful aggressiveness).
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I thought I was the only fan that noticed Eric made mistakes in the earlier seasons,like we all do or did when just starting out.Speedle handled it well and Eric took it well,there was no blame or tension because of it.
At the risk of ending this posting on a negative note, I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When one seems lazy and lacks imagination, one will revert back to what they know best and the writers on this show seem to know how to get Ryan into constant trouble:(
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I was just saying this to someone,the the writers seem too comfortable sometimes when writing stories for certain characters,Ryan being one of the characters discussed.There is always the Ryan in trouble story and writers seem to have a hard time moving beyond that. The writers need to challenge themselves,let the character or characters grow,like everyone does in life.
 
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greatfan said:
While I was watching some of the earliest episodes (with Speedle), it really hit home to me how much Eric has come and how much he has developed and matured. Speedle was the older mentor, the stable, more "together" one. Eric, on the other hand was more inexperienced, and made youthful mistakes, which Speed addressed in his own way. When Speedle died, the mentor role passed to Eric (one he didn't seem to relish that much with Ryan what with Eric's grieving for Speed and Ryan's brashness and youthful aggressiveness).
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I thought I was the only fan that noticed Eric made mistakes in the earlier seasons,like we all do or did when just starting out.Speedle handled it well and Erc took it well,there was no blame or tension because of it.
At the risk of ending this posting on a negative note, I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When one seems lazy and lacks imagination, one will revert back to what they know best and the writers on this show seem to know how to get Ryan into constant trouble:(
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I was just saying this to someone,the the writers seem too comfortable sometimes when writing stories for certain characters,Ryan being one of the characters discussed.There is always the Ryan in trouble story and writers seem to have a hard time moving beyond that. The writers need to challenge themselves,let the character or chracters grow,like everyone does in life.
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The writers don't challenge themselves either b/c they don't want to or b/c it is simple easier to go the route they have been going. Then there is always the notion that they simply can't be creative. Obviously the network/studio isn't pressing them to move mountains or bend metal so they obviously don't feel the need to. All CBS seems to care about it is that it wins its timeslot and stays steady in the ratings....which is does. Therefore why would you ask a writer to take chances that might not be well received or hurt a successful show?

CBS is the most watched network...all CBS cares about is keeping that title....they could care less if what their writers put out is pure crap as long as someone is watching it and keeping the show and network on top. If Miami were to ever fall off in the ratings, I mean really fall off..then only, I think would CBS push the writers to get creative or do more. The problem with that then is when that happens it is usually worse than the stuff they were putting out before b/c they feel they have nothing to lose. I mean if you are this network you have to be thinking...."why mess with something that is obviously working?" C'mon this is the same network that wanted the writers to take the simple way out and kill Eric so obviously they aren't pushing the writers to move mountains and be creative. They are happy to simply go on as usual.

Hopefully the business as usual mode of thinking won't be their downfall this season. I am at least partially hopeful that the writers will surprise us this season but not holding my breath!
 
I thought I was the only fan that noticed Eric made mistakes in the earlier seasons,like we all do or did when just starting out.Speedle handled it well and Erc took it well,there was no blame or tension because of it.
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I kind of have been watching the early episodes with that in mind. Eric also used the there are extenuating circumstances (sound familar?) explanation a least once himself.
 
greatfan said:
While I was watching some of the earliest episodes (with Speedle), it really hit home to me how much Eric has come and how much he has developed and matured. Speedle was the older mentor, the stable, more "together" one. Eric, on the other hand was more inexperienced, and made youthful mistakes, which Speed addressed in his own way. When Speedle died, the mentor role passed to Eric (one he didn't seem to relish that much with Ryan what with Eric's grieving for Speed and Ryan's brashness and youthful aggressiveness).
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I thought I was the only fan that noticed Eric made mistakes in the earlier seasons,like we all do or did when just starting out.Speedle handled it well and Erc took it well,there was no blame or tension because of it.
At the risk of ending this posting on a negative note, I guess I'll believe it when I see it. When one seems lazy and lacks imagination, one will revert back to what they know best and the writers on this show seem to know how to get Ryan into constant trouble:(
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I was just saying this to someone,the the writers seem too comfortable sometimes when writing stories for certain characters,Ryan being one of the characters discussed.There is always the Ryan in trouble story and writers seem to have a hard time moving beyond that. The writers need to challenge themselves,let the character or chracters grow,like everyone does in life.
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You just touch base for my reason to start posting. I completely understand that CSI must NOT be to complicated. That is documenteries. But in a tv show you need to keep focus on firsttimeviewer and longtimeviewers.

Fascinating murdermysteries is a must. But for the longtime viewer characterdevelopment becomes crucial at some point. Note the amount of time in here spend on mystery build-up as to characterdevelopment.

But does the everchanging writers "remember" that? Can they? Even on Wikipedia description of CSI Miami we have a fixed set of ensemble structure.:guffaw:There Jesse is replacement - Eric:guffaw: or is it:(?

So what to do for any show that has to get sufficient ratings to stay alive? Stick to original formular or develop? From spoiler so far they are sticking to good old habits. But in "your 7 year" run is that the best move?

:guffaw::guffaw:By the way if characterspoiler of Jesse -hot body- is correct. What does that say about me as a viewer?:guffaw::guffaw:. Guess I am not that into murdermystery????
 
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I'm glad to see that Ryan will be maturing more. JMHO, did anyone else think he was a little uncomfortable all suited up? They put him in that cute pink tee shirt :rolleyes: in a latter episode in S7 and he just seemed so much more comfortable.

I agree; though Jesse and H knew each other back in the beginning, it would be a huge mistake for Jesse to just jump in and be "Super-CSI." Although I hope this means the old "team" might start finding one another. I have no opinion either way about E/C, but the way tptb was letting it fracture the team was really bugging me. :scream:
 
^ Agreed, I think he looks & feels more comfortable without the suit jackets and such. I think he needs to wear more dress shirts with the sleeves rolled up.

As I said a million times before, if Jesse is suddenly H's wing man, it wouldn't surprise me. I have been getting that kind of feeling from the spoilers. Worst case scenario...Jesse will be H's perfect wing man, Natalia will be non-existent and Ryan will continue to get in trouble trying to do the right thing.
 
I just went back and peeked at those pics of our shirtless Jesse. (Kind of bored this evening)

Not only does he look like he's mooning the lab, but me thinks the poor guy's cold. :devil:
 
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^ Agreed, I think he looks & feels more comfortable without the suit jackets and such. I think he needs to wear more dress shirts with the sleeves rolled up.
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I rather like the shirt and tie with the jeans; he seems comfortable enough with those.

As I said a million times before, if Jesse is suddenly H's wing man, it wouldn't surprise me. I have been getting that kind of feeling from the spoilers. Worst case scenario...Jesse will be H's perfect wing man, Natalia will be non-existent and Ryan will continue to get in trouble trying to do the right thing.
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Gosh, I hope not. It wouldn't surprise me especially if Jesse knew H in the past. That wouldn't mean though that Ryan couldn't end up being his wing man (God knows he's put his neck out enough for H and earned the right); H hasn't seen Jesse in 12 years and a man can change in 12 years. And didn't they hint that Jesse was supposed to have a secret?! Just trying to be positive.
 
H hasn't seen Jesse in 12 years and a man can change in 12 years. And didn't they hint that Jesse was supposed to have a secret?!
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If you're referring to the statement EC made when he said the team knows who he is but no one knows why he's returned, then yeah, I guess one could look at that as possibly having a secret. As with any new character I'm sure he's got some dirty laundry that will be exposed as the season rolls on.
 
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H hasn't seen Jesse in 12 years and a man can change in 12 years. And didn't they hint that Jesse was supposed to have a secret?!
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If you're referring to the statement EC made when he said the team knows who he is but no one knows why he's returned, then yeah, I guess one could look at that as possibly having a secret. As with any new character I'm sure he's got some dirty laundry that will be exposed as the season rolls on.
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so is it still too much for me to ask that he is a serial killer? :lol:
 
texmex327 said:
mjszud said:
H hasn't seen Jesse in 12 years and a man can change in 12 years. And didn't they hint that Jesse was supposed to have a secret?!
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If you're referring to the statement EC made when he said the team knows who he is but no one knows why he's returned, then yeah, I guess one could look at that as possibly having a secret. As with any new character I'm sure he's got some dirty laundry that will be exposed as the season rolls on.
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so is it still too much for me to ask that he is a serial killer? :lol:
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:guffaw::guffaw:Wouldn't that be a hoot?
 
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