and sarah have you considered being our Moderator?
lol.
1CSIMfan's doing a great job so far -
Ziggy and I both agreed. Besides, I think I'd find it too hard not to be biased.
its's from the "Big Chill". One of the characters explaining a basic
fact of life -- that rationalizations are more important to us than sex even.
That, I think, is the retort to Sara rattling off the usual suspects in terms of why she's so 'angry' as he puts it. And I think Grissom kind of misses the joke that it was aimed at him, because his response seems to almost be more, "Sara, let's find the real root" rather than, "Hey, that's not me". Otherwise, I think he would've understood that she was, basically throwing that quote back at him before he used it.
Anyway - I think what the quote itself means is that figuring out something - finding out why people tick or why they do what they do... it's a greater urge than sex. Which has proven true lately - huge upset over GSR, and yet year after year of CSI employing gruesome tactics to show cause of death, and you barely heard a whimper of protest.
and that snakes convo is bugging me, since you explained it, i am liking it less. why does she say that validation thing? it feels like to me shes saying, yes i have a thing for you, but its because i have a habit of looking for things in the wrong places, inappropriate places. that sucks. whys she say that. why does she give him an out? she still feels the same as ever, and so i dont understand why.
I didn't mean to say that SARA felt she looked for validation in inappropriate places, but that again - it's what he wanted to hear. He wanted to be able to dismiss her feelings as a simple crush, a need to fulfill a daddy issue, or whatever else. The simple truth is that it wasn't like that, but
Snakes is, again, Sara saying, "We shouldn't be together. Yet I'm still here. So the ball's in your court."
and i watched the nesting dolls ep again, and youre right, she does gesture at him when she says about choosing men who are emotionally unavailable. what do you think she means? is she saying EMOTIONALLY unavailable because of their snakes convo where he was unable to talk to her on a personal level?
Even you pointed out that he tried to change the subject when she made it about them. So yes - he is emotionally unavailable to her because he doesn't want to get involved. Also, if he hears how she really feels, it underminds his theory that she just wants to get in bed with the boss, which is probably, again, something he doesn't want to hear.
Grissom's technique has always been Shut Down. The problem is that when he notices Sara giving up, that's when he reels her back in. Burden of Proof? She's leaving, he buys a plant, and realizes that's not enough, so he kind of lets his feelings for her slip (Since I Met You) and then immediately acts as if nothing has happened. After finding out about Hank, he makes her angry and then starts holding her arm or back across the street in Anatomy of a Lye.
Grissom wanted to be able to pine after her, but to always know that the option was open and it was HE who was saying no, as strange as that sounds.
So, long story short - I still don't think Sara believed she liked Grissom out of some character flaw, but her resigned attitude kind of said, "Here you go."
and what do you mean about the phonecalls in BF. can you explain the big picture as to why thats youre fav scene-what it shows?
In the first version of the BF script, when he gets Sara's call, he's actually riffling through Debbie's underwear drawer. But then we also have him near her underwear drawer, looking at personal photos in the final cut. In other words, I think he's starting to almost let himself believe he's inside
Sara's bedroom - explained when we see Debbie sort of bedroom-eyeing him and having it turn into Sara.
The same bed he earlier pictured Debbie having sex on.
And at that precise moment, Sara calls. And he stutters like a teenager caught with porn. A bad analogy, but accurate nonetheless. He pretends he's about to get cut off, and then we have what can't NOT be interpreted as one-sided suggestive, "give you a hand".
The whole episode shows that Debbie was a bit of an office bicycle, so sex is a pretty relevant topic, and I think that he probably caught all of the potential double-entendre, even though Sara didn't intend it.
And that is the point, also, at which he stutters, making it more telling.
The conference call... Grissom rudely cuts Sara off when she starts talking about Nick. Not out of jealousy, necessarily, but perhaps because he's so focused on the case, he doesn't want to hear about anything else, but at this point, he's so far in Lurie's mind (actually picturing himself as the murderer) that I think hearing her voice scares him a little bit. He cools down, and then she speaks again, right as he's walking through Debbie's hallways, and he takes the phone away from his ear a little bit.
Like I said, this is the point at which he "becomes" Lurie - positioning Debbie's body in a flashback.
So he's battling with the idea that he thinks, perhaps, had things gotten closer with Hank, he probably would've been capable of murdering the both of them out of jealousy - especially if he and Sara
had been close in San Francisco (which, again, I doubt).
But yeah - I like that he turns into a teenager when talking to her, and that we see a much darker side of him later on, but ultimately... that they just did a good job at making both of these scenes incredibly subtle.
and sarah have you considered being our Moderator? I nominate you :lol: you''re always on top of this thread and know more than almost anyone, could you, or would you??? 
