"Forget Me Not" Discussion **SPOILERS**

[Rena]

I see. I wonder why they ever made her marry him in the first place? With WP/Grissom off the show, when Jorja/Sara came back there was no reason to have them be married. They could have split up and that could have been the reason she was back. I think I might have preferred that...maybe something about her not putting up with something from him and her leaving. I liked the old, independant Sara better. But...I'm speaking as a non-
GSR fan, so for what it's worth.

See, I never really had a problem with the inclusion or exclusion of their relationship prior to this ep... Sometimes they gave us overkill, sometimes they gave us nothing but I did like the idea of knowing that Grissom was there and that maybe they were happy, after 13 years.

I think last night's episode would be rendered irrelevant if they don't continue the saga now. They left too much unanswered to drop it right here and now. I think I mentioned this in the GSR thread too, but Jorja said in an interview prior to yesterday's episode that "all roads lead back to Grissom". Now she wasn't speaking solely on the basis of GSR, however I don't think she'd have said it if it didn't apply in some way.

They've spent so much investing in these characters, and their happiness to bring it all crashing down. I feel like this may be a final conflict before they discover their happiness together..

This episode made a lot of GSR fans angry, but by dragging out the story, they've probably angered a lot of non-GSR fans as well.


Regardless of my favourite ship sinking in front of my eyes, this episode was hands-down the best of the season. Of the last few seasons, at that.

After reading some of the comments here I feel a little bit better. I'm not a particular GSR shipper like others, yet I very much like(d) GSR and want(ed) them to be together and stay together. I will never understand why producers play with that idea for years, bring them finally together, and then make them break up. It's like with Bones or Castle. One of the basic concepts of these two shows is the chemistry between the main characters and the possibilty - and now truth - of them having fallen for each other. I don't know why WP doesn't want to return even for a short appearance, like appearing at the door or so. There doesn't even have to be dialogue, for God's sake! Or they could use old material, hell, they spend so much effort on special effects, so why not using it on making some old-fashioned Grissom come back?! I'm very sad indeed, but I still hope that there's more to come also in regard to the title of the episode. Or, as the saying goes, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

 

[JorjaFoxFan]

If I recall correctly WP was in talks to return for Marg's departure, but plans fell through, which worked. However, if WP was willing to make an appearance for Marg's departure, it baffles me why we haven't seen him in regards to Sara. He'll appear to say goodbye to Cath, but not to fight for Sara? I understand that this is over for WP, he did his bit, and left. I understand that the show is alomost chasing him around and he's probably exasperated, however we know he;s not against an appearance, not to mention the Skype cameo, and phone call.

The fact that he was willing to participate in that phone call, means he'll be willing to participate in the conclusion, hopefully. Without WP, I don't see this moving forward or backward. It's stagnant without both parties either there, or gone.

Jorja was incredible in this episode, and she's really putting her all into this relationship right now. I know the masses are divided in continuing their relationship, but irregardless, it has been a plot line for 13 years. They need to address it one way or the other. This episode definitely gave us a conclusion, but no closure. We're surmising that the distance played the largest factor in their split, but that's never been said. Anything could have happened, or not happened.

What bothers me the most after this episode, is that Sara is not okay. I think she feels less alone, but she's definitely not okay and I think that's why so many fans are holding on. If Sara was content with the split, and at peace with it, and explained where she's at, great. But she didn't. She told her mother she was good, and then looked on the verge of tears. This isn't over for Sara, therefore it's not over.

 

[margarita_salt]

Most viewers probably saw this coming that Sara and Grissom were either separated or divorced. It is sad that it ended so abruptly. But you can't have a relationship with someone who is never around.

It does bother me that Sara is taking this so hard and she is not ok. I think that will affect her and everyone around her. I hope she is not headed down a destructive road.

 

[kiwi_fruit]

The fact that he was willing to participate in that phone call, means he'll be willing to participate in the conclusion, hopefully. Without WP, I don't see this moving forward or backward. It's stagnant without both parties either there, or gone.

Yeah, I was feeling oddly optimistic after that phone call in "Dear Air", I thought at least WP was around and knew what was going on but now I'm thinking- would he really have approved of this turn with GSR..? If that's the case, I'm bitterly dissapointed.
Also, we're led to assume that they've actually broke up over the phone and that seems so..wrong. Grissom has always had his quirks, but I don't believe for a second he'd be so nonchalant about the relationship with "the only woman he's ever loved" at this stage and take their vows lightly.
Sara's in a dark place once again and I REALLY don't see how could she just...move on and be happy without Grissom after all these years.

 

[JorjaFoxFan]

^ Very much agreed.

I don't think Grissom is still very far away.. I don't know. If Sara was so hopeful he might show up to that reservation, I don't logistically see him being half way across the world.

 

[GSR GR]

A brilliant episode with an excellent performance by Jorja. Nice to see Nick and Greg having a talk with her in the end, although I don't like how now they know more than we do about what's going on. I also like Crawford a lot, he reminds me of Luther (UK show). It was intense, fast-paced and involved everyone in the team like the old times. Overall, it was hard to watch and memorable even if we'd like to forget it.

As for GSR, I don't take the line 'he's not my husband anymore' literally, at worst they are separated (they arranged this over the phone? right…) but that's as far as I see GSR ending for good. Sara obviously still loves Grissom and wants to be with him so all this has us wonder just why Grissom acts like this. If this episode was meant to send the message "forget about Grissom" then it served as anything but because we still have unanswered questions due to his OOC behavior.

If WP doesn't want to be associated with CSI anymore and doesn't care about what goes on with a storyline he worked very hard to maintain for 9 years of his life then, yes, Sara should divorce, be happy by season 14, throw away her ring and move on, but his involvement this season and Sara's behavior tell otherwise.

Yes, "LDR's end in real life" and all that, but how many LDR's end when there's been 8+ years (plus the off-screen time before season one) of knowing and seeing each other every day and after going as far as to actually marry? I don't buy distance being the reason, I'll never buy it, it's cheap and not a bit 'realistic' in their case. If anything, distance for these two independent characters would have been a boost for their relationship, not a reason for a divorce.

What we're going to have now is a sad and lonely Sara for the rest of the season and I guess we can't expect any more development on this story before season 14. It wouldn't be fair on the other characters anyway.

Excuse the long post.

 

[MacsGirlMel]

They said we would see more this season though.

 

[GSR GR]

It'd be great if we did, but it might just be included in the season's cliffhanger. Until then I don't see anything significant happening other than her being depressed or maybe getting a call or two from Grissom. They'd like to give us time to take in their 'break up' first. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Gr8gunz]

Bye Bye CSI. I've had enough of them jerking GSR all over the place. I don't know if they're divorced or not but it doesn't matter. GSR is history and so am I.

 

[kiwi_fruit]

It'd be great if we did, but it might just be included in the season's cliffhanger. Until then I don't see anything significant happening other than her being depressed or maybe getting a call or two from Grissom. They'd like to give us time to take in their 'break up' first. I hope I'm wrong though.

I wonder though.. if it might be too late. It's been a big blow for GSR fans, you play with feeling and emotions- you get resentment. I can only say for myself but at this point I feel like saying goodbye and.. yeah, almost said "good luck".

 

[Selphie]

On Saraspals on Boardrats quoted this from Liz Devine

from E Devine,
8:58pm
Sorry to disappoint the Sara Grissom fans. But Sara deserves someone who puts her ahead of his work. More practically we are unlikely to get Billy back ever. We have begged for years. Hope you will keep watching. Episode 5 next season will be our 300th!!!

who knows

 

[kiwi_fruit]

On another board someone quoted this from Liz Devine

from E Devine,
8:58pm
Sorry to disappoint the Sara Grissom fans. But Sara deserves someone who puts her ahead of his work. More practically we are unlikely to get Billy back ever. We have begged for years. Hope you will keep watching. Episode 5 next season will be our 300th!!!

who knows

Thanks! Well that sounds.. less than encouraging

 

[GSR GR]

They can't possibly expect to have a CSI LV without a connection to Grissom. If they do then they are dreaming. It's not about getting him back or waiting for him, it's about maintaining this connection throughout the series. GSR is the last connection. Without it they might as well call it CSI New Generation...

 

[jafox]

On another board someone quoted this from Liz Devine

from E Devine,
8:58pm
Sorry to disappoint the Sara Grissom fans. But Sara deserves someone who puts her ahead of his work. More practically we are unlikely to get Billy back ever. We have begged for years. Hope you will keep watching. Episode 5 next season will be our 300th!!!

who knows

That's it? Sorry to disappoint? Destroy something that many people, including Jorja, worked so hard on for so many years because you won't bring Grissom home? Yes, we love Jorja and Sara and she deserves someone who puts her before work, like he did in season 9 when he left his career for her. His metamorphosis in those early episodes was painful to watch. And now you say it was for nothing? Their 13 year history together was for nothing? The writers on the show labored for years to get them together, finally, and now you want to kill it? What happened to the character growth of both Grissom and Sara?

I'm baffled that they can't figure out how to make this work on a crime procedural, that has already done way too many personal storylines this season. Leave your family life at home and solve crimes. No one wants to see Sara so miserable, so stop making her so miserable; bring her husband home, offscreen. And leave them alone.

I feel bad for Jorja, probably stuck in the middle of all this, but stories need to be written to fit the characters. None of this is in character with either Grissom or Sara. I guess they want a new love interest for Sara, but I'm not buying what they're selling. She loves him. She always will. She said so. Sara wouldn't settle for less. I'm extremely disappointed that WP won't appear, but Grissom left the show WITH Sara. He chose a life with her. That's the scene i remember. Bring him home to her. This LDR plot line seemed far fetched from the start, but in TTMG they were happy. Although it would be nice, I honestly don't need to see WP again. I'm more of a Jorja/Sara fan, but to make Billy/Grissom out to be the bad guy here seems wrong, and unprofessional. IMO. We don't need to know BTS drama; I only care about what's on screen. And what's on screen should make sense.

Sorry for the rant. I think I'm just tired and a wee bit frustrated.

 

[Frosch]

What a callous and dumb comment by E. Devine!
Grissom didn't choose work over Sara, rather it was the the writers who chose this direction.
I just don't get why bringing in a new love interest for Sara is suddenly the priority for this show. Nick only gets an off screen girlfriend but Sara gets yet another on screen relationship?