Why Lindsay Must Go (Part 3)

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The age thing has always kinda tweaked me in the wrong kinda way. It doesnt bother me until a storyline comes up involving some kind of age thing, the whole thing with the murder of all her friends and yada yada - the age thing bugged me, but... really.. not a big deal, not one of the main concerns I think.

BUT - one thing about the age thing. Im pretty sure, for the most part you have to have been a street/beat cop for a certain amount of time (3-5 years I think, at least from what I've heard), before you can put in for CSI or any kind of "specialist" position. *shrug*
 
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This post is with much thanks to 1csimfan, with whom I was discussing Carmine's June 2007 interview. :)

Now that we've seen season four of CSI:NY, it seems Carmine's interview revealed more about situations in it than we ever realized. He was dead on about Danny's 'wayward' behavior. He was also dead on about Danny 'already looking elsewhere' and very significantly, that he 'wouldn't go as far as love' in regards to Lindsay.

Here are excerpts from that interview, all related to Lindsay/DL ...

When asked about his thoughts on the court room scene in season three:

Giovinazzo: It ended up kind of seeming neutral [on Danny's part]. It seemed like I was looking at her going, "Look, I'm here for you, I came here because you're in trouble and I came here because I care, but not more than that." I am reacting to the reality that [she] keeps steering away from me or not really committing to taking a step further.
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Confirmation that Danny only went there as a friend and nothing more.

When asked about putting out:

CSI Files: So Danny didn't give it up so easily after that? He didn't put out until that finale?

Giovinazzo: Yeah, yeah. I had to wait until the finale. I had to play a little hard to get. A little bit, you know?
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Confirmation nothing happened between Danny and Lindsay until the season three finale.

And here's the part where he hints about what was coming up for Danny in season four:

CSI Files: Have you been given any hints about what might be next for Danny and Lindsay in the next season?

Giovinazzo:I did hear a little bit about there's going to maybe be some wayward Danny [behavior] this season.

CSI Files: Is there going to be another woman, or might there be a love triangle in the works?

Giovinazzo: I don't know if we've got to go so far as love--he does the things young men do.
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Note the last line; there's the big clue right there that there's no love where both women are concerned.

CSI Files: Oh no! Is he going to cheat on Lindsay?

Giovinazzo: Well, you never know. I think that's a possibility, that maybe she wasn't all Danny thought she'd be. Maybe he's already looking elsewhere.
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Note that he doesn't confirm Danny actually 'cheats' on her, only that it's a 'possibility'. It follows through with his later interview (as well as Anna Belknap's) that he had no idea at all whether Danny and Lindsay were even in a relationship, which can be logically deduced as most likely no.

Also note him saying Danny 'sees Lindsay isn't who he thought she was'. What does he see differently? What was it that changed his perception of her? And more importantly, how early on in season four was Danny 'already looking elsewhere'? I won't be surprised if it was immediately after the events of Snow Day, if his reaction towards Lindsay in the warehouse and his meaningful glance back at Flack is anything to go by.

And ladies and gentlemen, here's the 'big one':

CSI Files: So you don't mind that Danny has been used to prop up Lindsay's character?

Giovinazzo: Like I said, I feel like I came out seasons one and two and had all these storylines. I don't disagree with some of the things you guys [at Talk CSI and CSI Files] have said about [Danny in] the third season. To tell you the truth, I just kind of mellowed out in the third season. It was kind of a character choice in that he's got to evolve and not be this erratic guy and just mature, growing as a cop and a detective. But at the same time I do want to go back to him being a bit more passionate.
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He means 'mature' as in 'developing into a better cop/detective', not 'mature' as in 'becoming more of a man'. Danny has always been a man. That, and the last line says it all; being Lindsay's prop literally took the passion out of Danny. :guffaw:

If that isn't a valid enough reason why Lindsay should go ...

Giovinazzo: At this point with Lindsay, I think it would be a little more cut and dry. But I have to bow down to how they want to carry this on. They finally got to the point [where something happened]. I was pretty happy with the finale episode. We're at another good crossroad; it's got to go in a certain direction now.

CSI Files: Danny was being treated pretty poorly by Lindsay there for a while!

Giovinazzo: Yeah. That's another good thing about this. It's like, as an actor [the writers] making me do certain things that instinctively I don't want to do.
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Believe us, Carmine, we feel your pain.

If Lindsay was already treating Danny badly in season three, can you imagine what will be said about her behavior in season four? :guffaw:

And here's yet another valid reason why she should go ...

CSI Files: Fans are very divided on the romance--some are thrilled with it and love it while other people think it's a bad development. How did you feel when the writers decided to play up this relationship with Danny and Lindsay?

Giovinazzo: I think it's something they don't normally do [in CSI shows] so it's good. I think it helps Lindsay's character. I think they're still trying to find more specifically who she is and it gives her something to hold on to.
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In other words, D/L has always only been on the show so Lindsay would have an excuse to stay on it. By the way, this is after two seasons of her being on it. It's already three seasons in by now and it's clear TPTB is still trying to figure out who she is and use Danny/DL as a prop for her.

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What are your thoughts on this, people?
 
In all honesty the age thing doesn't bother me that much (For Lindsay of the other cast members for that matter). Mainly because CSI NY isn't the first show to do the whole casting someone older for someone who's younger, nor is it the last. It's kind of annoying but I've gotten past that for the most part.
 
Wow. That's just sad. I really feel bad for Carmine now. To be used that way as an actor. It was very diplomatic, unlike Anna's response about "what you see is what you get," but It seems as though Carmine definitely does NOT care to be used that way. Or at the very least has reservations. I love the line about the writers making you go places you instinctually don't want to go.....Ouch. That says he saw it as a bad idea fromt he first.

What's even sadder is that Danny's had to prop Lindsay up, and Anna STILL doesn't know who Lindsay Monroe is.

Note that it seems they were not in a relationship after Snow Day. It could have been "Friends with Benefits," but doesn't even sound like that.

That's why, all I have to say is....Wow.

That is reason right there why she should go. Especially when all she does is detract from other characters.

Notice, on so many other shows, they introduce replacements and new characters as recurring first. It took Louise Lombard two seasons before she got to be a main cast member as Sofia Curtis. Five Seasons before Wallace Langham got in as Dave Hodges. That's what they should have done with Lindsay. I don't know why they didn't, especially if that was their original plan. :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall: Indeed.
 
Shytownmofo said:
It was very diplomatic, unlike Anna's response about "what you see is what you get," but It seems as though Carmine definitely does NOT care to be used that way. Or at the very least has reservations. I love the line about the writers making you go places you instinctually don't want to go.....Ouch. That says he saw it as a bad idea fromt he first.
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Exactly. He was diplomatic and respectful of TPTB in his answers. It's telling that people can still sense the vibe he is unhappy with what's happened to his character even with the diplomacy in place. Who can blame the guy? If Danny was my character whom I'd worked like hell on and spent so much of my time and energy shaping into somebody exciting and unique and outstanding, only to have it hacked up and turned into a two-dimensional prop ... yeah, I'd be pissed off.

What's even sadder is that Danny's had to prop Lindsay up, and Anna STILL doesn't know who Lindsay Monroe is.
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Yep. I doubt she would have lasted a year on the show if TPTB hadn't turned Danny into her prop. Who knows, maybe it was TPTB making Danny her prop that's convinced her she doesn't have to figure out who Lindsay is since Danny/Carmine's doing all the work. :rolleyes:

hat's what they should have done with Lindsay. I don't know why they didn't, especially if that was their original plan. :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall: Indeed.
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It was. I believe it was on the CBS website for the show, in Lindsay's bio page, but I'm sure the detail's gone by now. :p
 
(I would like to state for the record that although the interview is hosted on a Malaysian website, no, please to not be assuming all Malaysians 'love' Lindsay. In fact, I've yet to know other CSI:NY fans who like her. At best, the reactions I've gotten about her were, "Meh." At worst, well, read this thread. :p)

About that interview ...

“There’s a lot of that kind of work now. I’ve always thought that I’d be more inclined to do comedy or sitcoms but I think sometimes you don’t realise what you give off. Maybe I have a serious air. I don’t know,” said Belknap.
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I just ... how can an actress not know what face she gives off?! :eek: HER JOB DEPENDS ON IT. :brickwall:

The more I play her, the closer to her I become. I start to slip into it.
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I dunno why, but that line made me LOL. So she is just like Lindsay? If the answer is yes, yikes.

"I like the intimacy the camera lets you have so you don’t have to push your performance at all. I like that a lot."
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Somebody, please tell me she said that as a joke. Please? Because if it isn't, we've just discovered the ultimate reason why her acting on the show is so blank.
 
“There’s a lot of that kind of work now. I’ve always thought that I’d be more inclined to do comedy or sitcoms but I think sometimes you don’t realize what you give off. Maybe I have a serious air. I don’t know,”
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1) No,no,no... no,no. Back away from the comedy. You ain't no Tina Fey:lol:... seriously though, she's not:wtf:.
2) I actually understand the whole "you don’t realize what you give off". Sometimes as an actor you do surprise yourself in what you can do (despite the fact that I don't think she does it personally). The part that bothers me is the "I don't know" at the end. I feel like that's something you say when you're unsure of what you just said. Like she completely threw out what she had said previously. Which does not fill me w/ confidence.

“At the beginning I felt like making her kind of ‘country’ ... wearing a cowboy hat and all that. But I didn’t want to make Lindsay stick out like a sore thumb."
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I hope she's kidding. The fact that it would even cross her mind to do that just boggles my mind(but that might just be me). Either way it appears they didn't need to dress her up country to shove it in our face every week, where she was from.

“I miss the automatic feedback with a theatre audience but I like the intimacy the camera lets you have so you don’t have to push your performance at all. I like that a lot.
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I kind of want to see her on stage. I feel like feeding off an audience would work in her favor. You never know. Miracles do happen...

Kimmy, maybe she's one of those actors that has issues with the line between reality and fiction. Due to the fact that they are so immersed in their craft. Although that last part doesn't sound that much like her :p
 
Ouch. That just comes across as an insult. It seems as though, Yes, she can do better, she just doesn't care :scream:

That's just a slap in the face to all the characters who come to the set prepared to work hard every day. It sounds like she hasn't put any thought into who Lindsay Monroe is. I'm still hearing her say still, after three years on the show that She's a country girl who came to the big city, she wants to become a New Yorker.


What's so galling is that when you hear any of the other actors talk about their characters, they know who their character is intimately. They know the ins and the outs of them. Her, I'm hearing the same things, plus, she just "slips into the role"

Please, someone just "slip her out of New York." :mad:
 
Those quotes from the interview just make her sound like she is lazy. Now, maybe she is and maybe she isn't, but talking about how you don't have to push your performance at all when you are in front of a camera just sounds like she puts minimal effort into her character. Yikes.

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“At the beginning I felt like making her kind of ‘country’ ... wearing a cowboy hat and all that. But I didn’t want to make Lindsay stick out like a sore thumb."
I hope she's kidding. The fact that it would even cross her mind to do that just boggles my mind(but that might just be me). Either way it appears they didn't need to dress her up country to shove it in our face every week, where she was from.
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Far better for her to stick out like a sore thumb because she wears a cowboy hat than for the reasons she sticks out now -- her selfishness, arrogance and lack of glamour :)
 
:lol: Man, how did I miss that cowboy line?! Can you imagine how more irritating Lindsay would be now if she really had gone with the cowboy hat tactic? Just Lindsay hinting over and over and over again that she's from Montana is enough to drive some people up the wall ... throw in a cowboy hat and I think even the other CSIs will have a hard time not cracking up every time they see her.

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Far better for her to stick out like a sore thumb because she wears a cowboy hat than for the reasons she sticks out now -- her selfishness, arrogance and lack of glamour :)
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:guffaw: Well said!
 
Maybe with the 'pushing performance' bit she was referring to the fact that on stage all the gestures, expressions, tones of voice etc have to be larger-than-life to be conveyed to the audience, whereas to a camera if you did that it would be way to over-the-top? Just my take on it.
 
I agree with Dusk but she could have phrased it better, maybe saying on camera its a more controlled performance compared to the stage or something.
 
... how can an actress not know what face she gives off?! :eek: HER JOB DEPENDS ON IT. :brickwall:

:) Totally agree Kimmychu

Watched not what it looks like and thought she was okay, now steep hill and rolller skates spring to mind :wtf:

I dont get the neediness, weird (not Theatre just weird) facial expressions, flat voice yada yada yada i think it has all been said.

I read the interview and just thought ...and !

I love when the cast interview, trying to get an insight on who they think the character's should be, which actors/actresses the admire.

The best she can come up with is because lindsay is from the country i thought about a nice hat and boots........:lol: maybe that was the comedy coming out.

Maybe the interviewer was boring and a the best bits were edited out i could be wrong.
 
VThewannabe said:
... how can an actress not know what face she gives off?! :eek: HER JOB DEPENDS ON IT. :brickwall:

:) Totally agree Kimmychu

Watched not what it looks like and thought she was okay, now steep hill and rolller skates spring to mind :wtf:

I dont get the neediness, weird (not Theatre just weird) facial expressions, flat voice yada yada yada i think it has all been said.

I read the interview and just thought ...and !

I love when the cast interview, trying to get an insight on who they think the character's should be, which actors/actresses the admire.

The best she can come up with is because lindsay is from the country i thought about a nice hat and boots........:lol: maybe that was the comedy coming out.

Maybe the interviewer was boring and a the best bits were edited out i could be wrong.
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She does make some wierd facial expressions especially when she is analyzing evidence in the lab. Maybe she went to the Joey Tribiani school of "smell the fart" acting. (Does anyone else remember that episode of "Friends?" No? Maybe it is just me.)

Also, it was like in the last interview someone posted, she had nothing to say about what Lindsay contributed to the show except to point out what she doesn't bring -- glamour. Now, her big contribution was going to be a cowboy hat to show people she was from the country? I might be wrong, but wouldn't the wardrobe people worry about that part of the character. If her big goal was to show how being from the country affected her character then shouldn't she have been thinking more along the lines of how her character would handle things differently or react to things differently because she was from Montana rather than what wardrobe choices would let people know she was from the country?
 
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