jolein said:
She comes across as a bit arrogant when they ask about the show and her character and it just sounds like she doesn`t know her character at all.
Agreed to everything mentioned. The part where she says 'she's who she is and if they want something else they're not going to get it' reeks of self-importance to me, especially in context of what else she said. It was as if she was implying, "So what if TPTB wants me to be different even though they sign my paychecks? This is me, if they don't like it, I don't care because I am just awesomesauce like that, NYAH."
And yeah, I heard that being said in the voice of a petulant, spoilt brat. My brain won't let me hear it in the voice of a 36-year-old mother.
La_Guera said:
Wow. Now we know where Lindsay gets it. No, you self-important idiot, I didn't expect you to be glamorous. I expected you to be competent in your job as an actress and not make me long to shove super-heated tongs up my ass every time you steal precious screen time from the other, more profoundly talented actors, chew it to ribbons, and pound it into the ground.
I love Hill Harper, but I'll never quite forgive him for going to bat for Anna Belknap.
:guffaw: Hear, hear! I have no idea where the hell she got the 'super-glamorous' idea from. Does that mean she presumes the other characters on the show are 'super-glamorous' and that she's
dull? Which brings me to the other question of, then does that mean she
knows she's dull and is subtly telling people to 'deal with it' as if it's her right to do whatever she wants when TPTB is the one who calls the shots?
Gee, last I checked it ain't smart to continuously bite the hands that feed you, much less the ones around you who won't mind seeing you go after years of using others as props for your supposed awesomeness, ya know? :guffaw:
JellyBelly said:
I get that you don't like her and to you those scenes will likely be irritating but I don't really get how you can see any evidence of NPD in any of your examples. Really, to me the examples you give support the fact that anyone privvy to a list of PD traits could interpret any one of us as having a PD.
So, a list of personality disorder traits can apply to
anyone? Sure, if it was some random list of traits that's so general it'll fit anybody who reads it. There's a reason why there
are lists,
specific lists for specific disorders, so people have at least a basic knowledge of what outstanding traits may be for each personality disorder.
Shytownmofo didn't just copypaste at random, he gave information specifically on NPD as I gave information specifically on BPD. I really do no see how BPD or NPD (or any other PD) can 'be interpreted to apply to anyone'.
Here are Shytownmofo's examples (and additional ones by me) of Lindsay exhibiting NPD, along with the NPD traits this time:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
In "Manhattan Manhunt" when she was sent back to the Lab - She directly objected to Mac for ordering her to return to the labs, even when it turned out to be for 'her own good'. You've gotta be pretty full of self-importance to defy your
new boss' orders when you've only worked for him for a while. She didn't do this just once either. She really showed her grandiose sense of self-importance in season four too when, again, she objected to Mac inferring that it was irresponsible of her for abandoning evidence
and assumed Danny would clean up after her as if he was her slave whose job was to wipe away all her messes or something.
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Geez, do I even have to mention examples for this one?! Her
clingyness to
Danny, anybody? Her Monologue of Doom that so heavily implied how important she
felt she should be to Danny and how he could only go to her on
her own terms? Heh, this one fits with symptom 1 too. Don't even get me started on her telling him 'how hard it is to love him', especially in light of what he was still going through and what she was unjustifiably angry at him for, merely turning down lunch! Oh yeah, Lindsay's preoccupied with 'ideal love', alright, to the point she emotionally abuses Danny just to try conforming him to her expectations of that 'ideal love'!
@#$% that!
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
:guffaw: Hey,
Fay, I believe your term 'special snowflake' applies here, huh? Think dumpster duty in "Bad Beat" She even said "This new girl stuff has GOT to stop." Don't forget the bugs in "Fare Game". (Unfortunately for her, her special snowflake bubble got burst in that scene when Danny ate the bugs too. Along with a Peruvian worm or two.)
And again, her Monologue of Doom. Why else would she have railed on Danny the way she did if she didn't think she was 'special'? Her monologue literally screamed, "I AM a clingy, shallow girlfriend! But I'm SPECIAL and you should acknowledge that because YOU'RE NOT WORTHY OF MY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE LOVE." :guffaw: (I still think it's friggin' hilarious she called herself
clingy and
shallow and didn't realize how
true it is!)
4. requires excessive admiration
In "Dancing With the Fishes" the experiment scene, where she put the "odor gel" under Mac's nose and did the thing with the Hydrogen Sulfide. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that doing this is a
hazard because it's
poisonous. So Lindsay doing this to her boss only in order to get his attention and show off her mad skeelz? If that's not requiring excessive admiration, I dunno what is. At the risk of her boss' life too! There was also her climbing into the boot of the car in episode 4x17 just to show off what she'd discovered to Mac. Mac's, "Ugh, whatever," face when she did that says it all. :lol:
5. has a sense of entitlement
Once more, her Monologue of Doom is the finest example of this. A
child Danny cared for a lot died in his care, and all she can complain about is how he never went to her for her support
on her own terms? She even had the nerve to heavily imply that it's all
his fault that her 'fantasy ideal love' with him is over and that she 'has to get over it'.
Did I mention her entitlement is so huge that she ended up doing to Danny for
weeks what she accused him of doing to her? Hypocrisy, thy name is Lindsay Monroe.
There was her pointed curiosity about Aiden in "Heroes" too. Aiden just
died, a horrible death at that, and the only thing Lindsay was interested in was 'what Aiden's relationship with Danny was'?! Yeah, way to be concerned and oh so not digging for info on Danny's
raped and murdered close friend just to try getting into his pants. That's pretty disgusting self-entitlement right there.
6. is interpersonally exploitative
Her treatment of Danny is, as usual, the best example since he's her prop all this time. Think her making Danny talk to the grieving mother in "Oedipus Hex". Danny got slapped by the mother for that. The fact that, later on, she
did go talk to a grieving mother ended up making her look bad rather than achieve some 'closure' that Lindsay had gotten over her phobia of grieving mothers or something. It really was as if she just couldn't be bothered talking to the mother earlier on and manipulated Danny into doing her job for her instead.
Then there's her manipulativeness and emoness in Season 3. The way she treated Danny could almost be regarded as emotional abuse. The way she treated him in season four was
definitely emotional abuse. You gotta be pretty low to make a person feel like utter crap over your own problems when he's still grieving over the death of a child.
7. lacks empathy
One of the best examples I can think of is the way the little girl who'd been shot in episode 4x06 acted towards her. To her credit, Lindsay attempted to give the girl a teddy bear but all it took was one look from the girl, and Lindsay ended up just standing there with this blank expression on her face as if she tried but couldn't figure out what the girl felt. Couldn't
connect.
Danny, on the other hand, simply had to talk to the girl in a soft, comforting voice and
boom, connection. You'll notice in the scene that the girl also reacts in a much warmer way towards him.
Again, lack of empathy for Danny when Ruben was killed. I don't buy that she was so worried about Danny when he didn't answer her phonecalls. She did say to Flack she was worried, but based on her behavior in past seasons, it came off to me more like she was unhappy that he was ignoring her and she wasn't getting the attention she wanted from him and finally had it. It's always all about her. Also note the way she reacted after she told Mac 'Danny was sick' to explain why he wasn't at the labs. Her eyelid flutter came off as if she was annoyed something Danny did had caused her to lie to their boss and that he was going to owe her for it. She certainly made sure Danny knew that later on, didn't she?
Gee, Lindsay, forgot him taking your shift and getting beaten the crap out of him by Irish mobsters real quick, didn't you?
And yeah, her sudden inability to deal with grieving mothers, not to mention her not having any friends apart from Danny (heh, after season four, probably not even him anymore) after
years of being in NYC. I guess it is difficult to make friends when you think the entire world revolves around you and everything has to follow your every expectation, hm?
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
For some reason, this one makes me think of her in season four when Adam was trying to fit that 3D jigsaw puzzle together. He had to do it on his own until Mac showed up to check on things and all of sudden, there Lindsay was, jumping in to 'help' Adam when Mac was there. It came off to me as if she was envious of the possibility of Mac giving Adam any praise for his work and wanted to be the one to get the praise instead, hence her jumping in to help only when Mac showed up. And again, her asking about Aiden. Why else ask about what Danny's relationship was like with Aiden if she wasn't envious of what could have gone on between them, however slight?
And back to Adam, her telling him he's 'socially awkward'. Considering Adam's mentioned dating
Suicide Girls, I doubt he's as socially awkward as Lindsay likes to think. Them Suicide Girls, they don't go for just anybody, ya know. :lol: Heh, considering Lindsay's the one who has zero friends apart from clinging onto Danny,
she's the one who's really socially awkward. Hence why her saying to Adam what she did came off as envy to me. It's possible the writers may have intended that scene as a bantering one to 'connect' Lindsay with Adam, but all it did was make Lindsay bitchy towards Adam and show her own insecurity about herself.
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Her hunting down where Mac plays bass. Now, it comes across a bit creepy and stalkerish. And she did it just to shove it into Danny's face that 'he didn't know Mac as well he thought he did'. Way to be childish! "Trapped" where she had to look in the pool of lube she was not happy about it at all ... hell,
everything above! :guffaw:
If anyone has other examples, feel free to post them! I also came across this website with an article on
How to Recognize a Narcissist. It's fascinating reading, especially the following:
Once they know you are emotionally attached to them, they expect to be able to use you like an appliance and shove you around like a piece of furniture. If you object, then they'll say that obviously you don't really love them or else you'd let them do whatever they want with you. If you should be so uppity as to express a mind and heart of your own, then they will cut you off -- just like that, sometimes trashing you and all your friends on the way out the door. The narcissist will treat you just like a broken toy or tool or an unruly body part: "If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off" [Matt. 18:8].
This means you.
That fits Lindsay's treatment of Danny in season four down to a
tee.
vegaslights said:
Her responses killed me. Specifically:
""I like the role and I like the part."
The instant I read that line, I swear the word 'redundant' flashed in my mind in capital, blinking neon lights.
Faylinn said:
I think "breath of fresh air" is Lindsay's official description by now.
Also, New York has a "sombre" vibe?? :wtf: And here I thought it was a vibrant city. I don't know what "vibe" Lindsay brings, but I don't want it.
Yeah, serious WTF at NYC having a 'somber' vibe! It is possibly one of the
liveliest, most multi-cultural cities in the
world. If you wanna talk character-wise, can you imagine Danny or Flack or Adam being
somber? :guffaw:
Shytownmofo said:
I think we may have found the reason that Hawkes never gets good storylines. Maybe the writers haven't forgiven him for putting in a good word for Anna.
:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw: It is bad that I can buy that reason in all seriousness. Poor Hill. His character
did get shafted by Lindsay ever since season two.
Zuiker himself acknowledged it.
(Long post is loooooooong.)
