"Sweet Jane" Discussion **Spoilers**

EricaSJ said:
myfuturecsi said:
In season two when Nick got personal about a case she threatened to kick him off.

In season four, she took a crime scene away from Sara and Nick and made it her own.

And she was not a very good supervisor in season five and at one point Nick just shrugged her off and said, 'whatever' when she got snippy with him over some minor comment he made on leadership styles.

So the relationship has not been great because Catherine hasn't always been a great leader. She might be a great CSI, but not a great leade

Grissom plays favourites with Warrick and Sara, Catherine just stomps all over them.

And so they may interpret her actions wrong, but she doesn't give them any reason to think otherwise.
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Just to put my two cents here. In Overload, Catherine was concerned because it hit too close to home for Nick and he was acting pretty emotionally. After he had told Catherine about his childhood, she understood and even said she was sorry. In After the Show, the murderer asked for Catherine. He wanted to talk to her, or he wouldn't talk at all. Plus it was Grissom who decided to have Catherine take over the case. Catherine didn't "take it away and make it her own." IMO Nick wasn't happy about his case being given away, but he understood that Grissom had his reason and he worked with Catherine pretty well.

As for Catherine not being a good supervisor... Yeah, she probably wasn't the best supervisor in season 5, but I can imagine her frustration when people compared her with Grissom non-stop. As she once said, she is NOT Grissom. You can't ask her to be just like him (um...the lab certainly didn't need yet another socially deficient supervisor). A lot of people just see how she and Sara fought in Nesting Dolls or how Nick shrugged her off in Big Middle, but do you see how she covered the boys in Who Shot Sherlock and how she stood up for Warrick in No Humans Involved despite being strict to him when they were in private?

Each character has their own flaws, even Grissom does. If we really want to talk about it here, then not only Catherine but all the CSIs have given their partners reasons not to trust them.
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Thank You! You said it better than I could have. This whole character bashing is getting a little OT, especially since the whole deception thingie doesn't happen in this episode.

I must be in the minority because I am actually excited to meet Keppler and to see what exactly his interaction with each of the CSI's is going to be.
 
Wynterblue said:
Hottie_Cath said:
Isn't the "mutiny" gonna happen in Redrum, not in Sweet Jane? Did they change the plot again and put that storyline in Sweet Jane?
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No, Hottie_Cath, you're correct. The mutiny happens in Redrum, not Sweet Jane. Keppy and Cath put together a fake crime scene to flush out a killer [making the killer think there is a copycat stealing his thunder]. She hides it from the Young Turks and they suspect something is up with Keppy [is he Internal Affairs? Is Cath in on it?].

And as bad as it sounds, no one has entertained the idea that Catherine is keeping them out of the loop to protect her team. If this plan fails and the you-know-what hits the fan, maybe she wants to make sure it hits her, not the Young Turks.
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Thank you for clearing that out, I wanted to make sure cuz I don't want to miss Redrum.
 
sarahvma said:
Erica, you're absolutely right that it was Grissom who made the decision to give the case completely to Catherine, however Catherine then went and used Greg (even Grissom raised an eyebrow at this) rather than Nick and Sara to assist her.

He compared it to switching lawyers in the OJ case, and didn't seem to think it was a good idea at all.

Add to that that when she did finally let Sara help, she tossed her out of the room when the pictures came on, and made it clear that it was less about the victim's privacy and more about her simply wanting to work alone.

So yes, Grissom gave Catherine the case, but then Catherine turned around and purposefully excluded Nick and Sara, who had asked to work it.

I think that's what I, at least, took issue with.

And what raises a flag with upcoming episodes like these where it seems as though Catherine really isn't suited to a position of power as I believe she abuses it.
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I don't blame cath for not letting Sara anywhere near that case. She was completely unprofessional in that ep, and only cared about having a high profile case.

Catherine doesn't 'abuse' power, she is just an aggressive female, and females are not 'supposed' to act like that, so people have issues with seeing it. If her character was male, everyone would think it is normal.
 
*sigh* Why does it always have to be either Sara or Cath as pure evil? They both have flaws, and they both have strengths, just like real people. I just don't like this particular storyline because of Cath's storyline in Season 5. It doesn't mean I hate Cath. Her supervisory skills? Maybe, yeah.

I can't wait to see how it all plays out tonight. Finally we will see who Keppler is. I wonder if his website will stay online after he's gone.
 
brass_lives said:
I can't wait to see how it all plays out tonight. Finally we will see who Keppler is. I wonder if his website will stay online after he's gone.
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Maybe they'll keep it up and put up information about the episode after Sweet Jane (what's after Sweet Jane? Redrum?). I liked being able to watch clips online about the episode.
 
Tvguide Online Has an article on him Can Liev Schreiber Fill William Petersen's CSI Lab Coat?, I am only going to give a snip of the article for the rest please click the link.

So why CSI? "I've always been scared of TV," Schreiber says, and for reasons similar to those that Petersen has cited. The week-in, week-out schedule can be a grind, and actors are sometimes pigeonholed by trademark roles. But after a meeting last summer with Mendelsohn, Schreiber was hooked. "The show is so cool, and there are so many places to take these characters," he says. "You've got death, mysteries and all that creepy stuff. What's not to like?"

The gig, which will run for at least three episodes, has been a humbling one for Schreiber. "You learn quickly that the real stars of this show are the dead bodies and the science," he says. "The props are way more important than you."

And if nothing else, he's getting a crash course in ickiness.
 
Wow I'm really excited to see the episode tonight!! It's gonna be intense with Keppler joining the show and Nick, Warrick, Sara, and Greg forming their own team against him and Catherine... I'm definitely gonna miss the Grissom scenes though. :( Less than 4 hours to go! :D

And oh yeah I saw that article on the TV Guide website... Good to see the show getting some more recognition. :)
 
I live on the east coast and its only 6:05 pm, so it hasn't aired yet. (At least here, I don't know for sure anymore if it airs before us in the US).
 
sarahvma said:
Erica, you're absolutely right that it was Grissom who made the decision to give the case completely to Catherine, however Catherine then went and used Greg (even Grissom raised an eyebrow at this) rather than Nick and Sara to assist her.

He compared it to switching lawyers in the OJ case, and didn't seem to think it was a good idea at all.

Add to that that when she did finally let Sara help, she tossed her out of the room when the pictures came on, and made it clear that it was less about the victim's privacy and more about her simply wanting to work alone.

So yes, Grissom gave Catherine the case, but then Catherine turned around and purposefully excluded Nick and Sara, who had asked to work it.

I think that's what I, at least, took issue with.

And what raises a flag with upcoming episodes like these where it seems as though Catherine really isn't suited to a position of power as I believe she abuses it.


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I don't blame cath for not letting Sara anywhere near that case. She was completely unprofessional in that ep, and only cared about having a high profile case.

Catherine doesn't 'abuse' power, she is just an aggressive female, and females are not 'supposed' to act like that, so people have issues with seeing it. If her character was male, everyone would think it is normal.
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xfcanadian,

I completely agree with you. Catherine wanted the case because she was called on it. I mean Brass called her cell phone to inform her about the suspect cutting himself to write blood on the walls. It was obvious that both Nick and Sara wanted that case for the fame, and because they just put in for a promotion. I think they could have handled the case, but usually the high profile cases would go to someone with more experience--which Catherine has. I don't think Catherine abused her power of position...hahaha that is funny in itself actually.

What about that one episode in season five where Sara lashed out at Catherine, and lacked respect for her. MHO--she was getting rather nasty making personal hits towards Catherine personal life which is uncalled for. Catherine might not be her supervisor, but that is besides the point.

Catherine is determined, and if she wants a case she isn't afraid to say so. THe same with Sara, and I could honestly hear the same words coming out of Sara's mouth if the roles were reversed. JMHO!
 
I must say about tonight's episode. I thoguht was quite an intriging character, and really cannot wait to learn more about him. I thought the ending was a little obvious, however the actor who played the dentist did a fantastic job. I wish for the ending that the writers had done a famous CSI last minute twist or had the case remain open. Finally I have to say that I thought the ending with Catherine watching Lindsay was a little long, but it made an impact which the length helped with.
 
I really enjoyed the Cath/Keppler dynamic in this episode. Keppler is lowkey, and he is keeping some secrets. I was curious how he knew that all three victims were from the same killer. He seemed completely sure, even though he didn't seem to have any proof. I hope he's not going to be omniscient like Horatio.

I loved the scene with Nick and the rats and the continuing scene with Hodges being afraid of whatever that disease was (bleeding from the eyes. ew).
 
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