Season 12 Spoiler Lab Discussion

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Now... This makes 'CSI' an all-white cast, right?
CBS are probably going to bring an african-american female lead. CCH Pounder is incredible, I hope that happens.

If Catherine is demoted, that means logically Nick has to be demoted, the show wouldn't work without Cath in a leadership role, she's always been in charge/second in charge.

Unless she decides she can't work under Nick, Sara & Greg, and so thats why she leaves.
 
As much as I liked Ray, and as much as I do like Ted Danson...I just don't want the people we've watched/ loved these past 11 seasons to become someone else's supporting cast. IMO they are the leads in this show, along with the pursuit of evidence.

It should be interesting....
 
Well I'm neither delighted nor devastated about Danson being signed on because I'm not really familiar with his work on other shows.

What I am happy about is that they've gone for a more light-hearted character. One thing which annoyed me about Ray so much was that he dominated the screentime but what made that even worse was that the character was really dull, at least having a more humorous character would make them more likable.

As for the Portland comment, surely that has to be more than a coincidence, particularly if it's been mentioned in every press release. However I still find it unlikely that Wendy will be brought back and I wouldn't be surprised if Liz refuses herself given the way she was sent off.

As for the whole, Nick not being made supervisor discussion, has it been confirmed when Marg's leaving anyway because if she's doing episodes sporadically across the season than surely Nick still wouldn't be supervisor anyway? No matter if Ray had left or not. Then there's the issue with Catherine possibly being demoted OR maybe she's forced to change shifts? That might work with having less episodes whilst still keeping her supervisor position with Danson stepping in as a new one.

Of course, this is all speculation but I guess come September 21 (or 22nd for me) all will be revealed.
 
Do we have any word on who's re-signed?
Ted Danson, Marg Helgenberger, and Elisabeth Harnois are the only confirmed actors, right?
 
I've had a few hours to think this over and I don't think the new supervisor coming from the same city Wendy transferred to is an accident. If we imagine the Danson character calling Wendy into his office to get the low-down on his new co-workers-to-be, we can dive right into solving new cases without the established characters stopping to explain to their new boss who they are and what they do. Catherine will probably be demoted to a spot on another shift, sort of like what Grissom was planning to do at the end of the Miniature Killer arc before Sara beat him to the transfer request.

Finally, I'm more convinced than ever that Brass is going to be a potential or actual victim of Squeewgal(sp?).
 
Well I'll add my 2 cents.

Ted Danson also did a show called Becker. It was sort of a 'dark comedy' if I remember. He was quite good. But I'm not sure he'll be a good fit for CSI. I said the same thing about Laurence Fishburne and he was good..... to a point.

As for Catherine, I'm thinking she wants to leave so she might voluntarily relinquish her supervisor role either to Nicky (which doesn't look like that will happen) or to Ted's character and Nicky will still be co-supervisor or possibly Sara? ;)

I don't think Cath will be the next Undersheriff, she's not a cop, that would go to Vartann. My thought anyway, he'd be the new Undersheriff, Cath would step out of CSI/Law Enforcement and delve more into the casino world her father left.

I am interested in her dealings with Brass though. The sparks could fly between them and perhaps he suggests to her that she give it up?

The Portland thing is just weird. The writers love the Northwest or so it seems. But I wonder how Wendy will be brought into the convo when he says he's from Portland. ;)

I'm going to go into this season very skeptical. New characters don't always sit well with a long-time established cast and that the time change won't be good for the ratings. I'm also thinking after the end of this 12th season, perhaps CSI will start wrapping up it's long -time run.
 
Wow, didn't see that one coming! I can't picture him in CSI at the moment, but I like him as an actor, so I'm definitely willing to the character a go. The more I think about it, the more I like it :)
 
^ Actually Catherine could become undersheriff, Ecklie was day shift supervisor before he became lab director and then undersheriff

I hope that Danson being from Portland means a possible opening for Wendy, or the writers have forgotten that's where they sent her :(
 
I don't think Cath will be the next Undersheriff, she's not a cop, that would go to Vartann. My thought anyway, he'd be the new Undersheriff, Cath would step out of CSI/Law Enforcement and delve more into the casino world her father left.
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Does it matter though that Catherine isn't a cop? As I recall, Ecklie was a CSI, not a cop so it could be her but I doubt it. And why Vartann and not Brass? Brass is a captain so it would be a logical step but other than a detective what's Vartann's rank? As far as we know, he hasn't even made lieutenant so not sure how he could leap frog over Catherine or Brass for the position. For that matter Vega is still around so why not him? Then again, as far as we know, Ecklie isn't going anywhere and with everything that happened, I can't see Catherine getting a promotion.

As for Danson, after my initial surprise, I like the idea.
- He's been part of a very successful ensemble show so he knows how that works.
- He can obviously do comedy but he also can do drama so he can bring some humor back to the show. This bodes well for his character and Brass, if PG sticks around.
- He's coming on as an experienced supervisor so I can see him telling everyone they need to stop acting like cops and get back to being CSIs
- He's too old to be a leading man and he's still doing Bored to Death on cable so it doesn't sound like he's here to suck up screen time from the regulars.
- He's a recognized name (unless you're under the age of 30 or don't watch reruns on cable) and he's got a lot of TV time.

I've never been a fan of his but I'm willing to give him a chance.

Finally, I'm more convinced than ever that Brass is going to be a potential or actual victim of Squeewgal(sp?).
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Just curious but why would Sqweegel go after Brass? Unless he was hiding in the house, watching Brass pocket the cuffs, how would he know what happened?
 
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I really don't see Cath getting a promotion after the Haskell disaster... that's just not right... her having to give up the supervisor role seems more logic, IMO. She could still be in charge then though... like it was back in the days when Grissom was supervisor... I wouldn't mind it like this. We would still see her working on cases and for once not only in her office but outside working crime scenes first hand again :) I think the new supervisor will be brought in as a consequence of the Haskell thing. Guess we'll have to wait and see what we'll get into with the new guy. I just hope they don't make him our next Ray and let him take over the show :(
 
I know everyone wants Wendy to come back, but I think that's beating a dead horse into the ground. Liz herself said in her interview that she has not been asked back and I highly doubt she will be. It sucks and was wrong how they got rid of her, but it's done and they won't change that.

Now as for Brass becoming Squeegel's victim, I don't think that will happen. Squeegel always attacks first, BEFORE he kills. They already know that's guy MO, so my guess Brass would be protected or they would set up a trap for Squeegel.

Again, Liz said that one of the characters will leave in a way that they can never be brought back, so I think someone is going to die, but who? :shifty:

Or it's Langston going to prison, but I still think they're going to kill someone off. Probably Nick, because I'm still not convinced George will renew and maybe they haven't even asked him back.

Who knows, half the cast could not be asked back and be gone this season. :lol:
 
Danson is an interesting choice that i didn't see coming. Really enjoyed him in Becker and Bored to death so i'll wait and reserve judgement as to how well he fits on CSI.

Glad they're bringing him in as an experienced Supervisor but i really hope this doesn't mean Catherine takes the fall for everyone (especially considering Brass' role in all of this). I'm apprehensive yet interested to see how the new characters will fit in and how the fallout from Raskell will alter the dynamics of the team. I can't see anything happening with Vartann (i get the feeling the writers have given up on the whole Cath/Lou storyline much like wendy/hodges).

I actually think it's a good thing that Nick isn't supervisor as his character excels in the field and is more hands-on than a Supervisor role would allow. Seniority doesn't always mean that they should get the promotion (I highly doubt George Eads would care about his character not being supervisor).

I doubt Liz/Wendy will come back - surely if they had run out of ideas for the character Wendy, the reason she was let go would still remain.

To me the most interesting aspect for the start of next season will be the fate of Brass (i agree with others that Sqweegel is unlikely to go after him) - knowing CSI i'd imagine that all they get is a slap on the wrist and then episode 2 everything is back to normal.

*Can someone quote me the part about Liz saying that someone will leave the show? i can't remember where that was....
 
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*Can someone quote me the part about Liz saying that someone will leave the show? i can't remember where that was....
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and I’m not giving any hint and I don’t know a thing about it–but I think the very next thing is a certain character’s gonna be written off in a way where there’s no possibility of them ever coming back.
 
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Sinclair said:
*Can someone quote me the part about Liz saying that someone will leave the show? i can't remember where that was....
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and I’m not giving any hint and I don’t know a thing about it–but I think the very next thing is a certain character’s gonna be written off in a way where there’s no possibility of them ever coming back.
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What about the possibility that Wendy is somehow killed by Squeegel up in Portland and Ted's new character comes to Vegas to do some investigation and then is asked to stay?
 
Speedystokesgirl said:
Sinclair said:
*Can someone quote me the part about Liz saying that someone will leave the show? i can't remember where that was....
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and I’m not giving any hint and I don’t know a thing about it–but I think the very next thing is a certain character’s gonna be written off in a way where there’s no possibility of them ever coming back.
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I figured that would be Catherine, but maybe Vartann??
 
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