Season 10 *Spoiler Lab* Discussion P1

[blackflag]

Once they decided to make GSR real they seemed to be split into the Grissom, Sara, Greg team and the Catherine, Nick, Warrick team on the majority of the cases.

Actually that happened after "Ch-Ch-Changes", well before GSR became a canon thing (and was delegated to wink-wink-nudge-nudge). After Nick was rescued from his kidnapping, Grissom told Ecklie he wanted his guys back, and they 're-joined' the teams.

The only split after that was when Sara went to Swing Shift to keep dating Grissom.

It may not have been an official split but if you watch starting around season 7 Sara very rarely worked with Nick, Warrick or Catherine. She was usually with Greg and Grissom except for any cases that were a full team effort. Compare seasons 7 & 8 to seasons 1-4 and you'll see that they didn't switch around the cast as much into different teams. It was like they were splitting them into 2 teams again without making it official like they did with Mea Culpa. Yes Nick had a great friendship with Warrick but I missed seeing him work with Grissom, or Sara, or Greg.

Susan

 

[Half]

I think blackflag means that once GSR became real the team seemed to be set into two "groups". The team wasn't actually separated, but the same people were always working with the same people. Almost every case had the same three team members working with the same three team members.

ETA: Okay, that was just answered. Oh well.

 

[Kimbo08]

I'm sorry but, I sincerely hope they don't bring another person into the mix after they just cast Riley off. It is ridiculous. If Sara is only coming back for five episodes (consecutive or non-consecutive), than what was the point of kicking Riley, only to bring in another character later on in the season. I seriously think that TPTB are mental.

They think we want MORE Langston, want ANOTHER character, and want SARA to fix everything? They are obviously watching another show.

 

[blackflag]

I think blackflag means that once GSR became real the team seemed to be set into two "groups". The team wasn't actually separated, but the same people were always working with the same people. Almost every case had the same three team members working with the same three team members.

ETA: Okay, that was just answered. Oh well.

Thank You. Somebody else who actually knows what my brain is trying to say. :lol: That's exactly what I was trying to say.

Susan

 

[Ipstenu]

Blackflag, your explanation made sense

I feel it goes back further than that, when you can count the Catherine/Sara cases on two hands 170+ episodes, and the writers liked their little groups. Drove me nuts. I don't think that GSR was the turning point, but I totally see how it looks like it. I'm not nerdy enough to go back and rewatch 'em all to 'prove' it though. :lol:

 

[vegaslights]

I've just read that Garret Dillahunt will guest-star in the season premiere of CSI. Is he playing "Dr. Jekyll," the new serial killer, or will it be someone else? — Vic
ADAM: Sorry, Cromartie fans, but Dillahunt is not Dr. Jekyll. He plays the head of a celebrity security service, which doesn't exactly scream "serial killer cover" to us. Then again, the character's name does imply duplicity. Here's what we do know about Dr. Jekyll: He's infamous for leaving behind immaculate crime scenes: The body is all the evidence the CSIs will ever get. Fantastic! A serial killer with OCD!

Courtesy of TV Guide.

 

[Desertwind]

Maybe this story is more interesting.

But CSI was never meant to be a romance show, it was a crime show.

The only reason TPTB decided to make the romance canon was to compete with Grey's Anatomy which was moved to Thursday nights. It was a futile effort, because Grey's won and is still winning the key demographic of 18-49.

Only is a crime show? In a crime show the people also be in love. Bones, CSI Miami,NY etc...and if it had been another couple?

Good point nanigsr didn't Danny and Lindsay get married and have a baby on CSI/NY? and didn't the whole team on that show embrace the issue on there, and the fans too? I don't know as I rarely watch this CSI~and I actually have timed some tender moments with GSR, and they amounted to like 15-20 seconds tops, the 'shaving scene' for instance, was 15 seconds, hardly taking over the whole episode And I see Nick constantly, he's in every episode [which is great] but takes up more time on perse in said episode than GSR ever did. On Wendy being out in the field, did anyone ever consider maybe she likes being in the lab, and doesn't want to go out in the field? I don't think that TPTB are going to do anything different with LF, their paying him $350,000 per ep. ranking in at #7 in TV's drama's [courtesy of the new TV Guide] some don't care for his performance, some are neutral and some love him. More on salaries of top stars in this celebrity world~

1..Kiefer Sutherland $550,000
2..Hugh Laurie $400,000
3..Mariska Hargitay $400,000
4..Christopher Meloni $400,000
5..MARG HELGENBERGER $390,000
6..David Caruso $375,000
7..LAURENCE FISHBURNE $350,000

It lists the top 20, so if one wants to read the whole list go online or buy it~

 

[vegaslights]

But CSI was never meant to be a romance show, it was a crime show.

The only reason TPTB decided to make the romance canon was to compete with Grey's Anatomy which was moved to Thursday nights. It was a futile effort, because Grey's won and is still winning the key demographic of 18-49.

Only is a crime show? In a crime show the people also be in love. Bones, CSI Miami,NY etc...and if it had been another couple?

Good point nanigsr didn't Danny and Anna get married and have a baby on CSI/NY? and didn't the whole team on that show embrace the issue on there, and the fans too? and I actually have timed some tender moments with GSR, and they amounted to like 15-20 seconds tops, the 'shaving scene' for instance, was 15 seconds, hardly taking over the whole episode And I see Nick constantly, he's in every episode [which is great] but takes up more time on perse in said episode than GSR ever did. On Wendy being out in the field, did anyone ever consider maybe she likes being in the lab, and doesn't want to go out in the field? I don't think that TPTB are going to do anything different with LF, their paying him $350,000 per ep. ranking in at #7 in TV's drama's [courtesy of the new TV Guide] some don't care for his performance, some are neutral and some love him. More on salaries of top stars in this celebrity world~

1..Kiefer Sutherland $550,000
2..Hugh Laurie $400,000
3..Mariska Hargitay $400,000
4..Christopher Meloni $400,000
5..MARG HELGENBERGER $390,000
6..David Caruso $375,000
7..LAURENCE FISHBURNE $350,000

It lists the top 20, so if one wants to read the whole list go online or buy it~

Bolding's mine.

You're wrong about a lot of the fans "embracing it" on CSI: NY. A lot of them didn't. It was one of the worst things they possibly could have done to the show, and the characters. (I personally didn't like Lindsay already, but it made Danny a completely different character).

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

But CSI was never meant to be a romance show, it was a crime show.

The only reason TPTB decided to make the romance canon was to compete with Grey's Anatomy which was moved to Thursday nights. It was a futile effort, because Grey's won and is still winning the key demographic of 18-49.

Only is a crime show? In a crime show the people also be in love. Bones, CSI Miami,NY etc...and if it had been another couple?

Good point nanigsr didn't Danny and Lindsay get married and have a baby on CSI/NY? and didn't the whole team on that show embrace the issue on there, and the fans too? I don't know as I rarely watch this CSI~and I actually have timed some tender moments with GSR, and they amounted to like 15-20 seconds tops, the 'shaving scene' for instance, was 15 seconds, hardly taking over the whole episode And I see Nick constantly, he's in every episode [which is great] but takes up more time on perse in said episode than GSR ever did. On Wendy being out in the field, did anyone ever consider maybe she likes being in the lab, and doesn't want to go out in the field?

Ok, this GSR only amounted to a few seconds here and a few seconds there? In Season 7 Grissom and Sara worked, almost, every case together. That makes is GSR. For somone who was having a relationship with a subordinate should NOT have teamed himself with her, but the were put together, by tptb, because of the relationship so GSR dominated.

The other characters were pushed to the side for GSR anyway you look at it.

As for Wendy, she does want to be in the field, that's why she took the CSI test, which she mentioned in "You Kill Me" and had her out in the field last season. If they were going to go with that storyline, then go with it, but no they want Sara back so stories are abandoned and/or forgotten for Sara.

Bringing her back sends a clear message to the rest of the cast (except LF) and to us 'other' fans that Marg, George, Eric and the rest don't have what it takes to hold the show and that they're not as important as Jorja, Billy, and Fishburne.

 

[nanigsr]

But CSI was never meant to be a romance show, it was a crime show.

The only reason TPTB decided to make the romance canon was to compete with Grey's Anatomy which was moved to Thursday nights. It was a futile effort, because Grey's won and is still winning the key demographic of 18-49.

Only is a crime show? In a crime show the people also be in love. Bones, CSI Miami,NY etc...and if it had been another couple?

Good point nanigsr didn't Danny and Lindsay get married and have a baby on CSI/NY? and didn't the whole team on that show embrace the issue on there, and the fans too? I don't know as I rarely watch this CSI~and I actually have timed some tender moments with GSR, and they amounted to like 15-20 seconds tops, the 'shaving scene' for instance, was 15 seconds, hardly taking over the whole episode And I see Nick constantly, he's in every episode [which is great] but takes up more time on perse in said episode than GSR ever did. On Wendy being out in the field, did anyone ever consider maybe she likes being in the lab, and doesn't want to go out in the field? I don't think that TPTB are going to do anything different with LF, their paying him $350,000 per ep. ranking in at #7 in TV's drama's [courtesy of the new TV Guide] some don't care for his performance, some are neutral and some love him. More on salaries of top stars in this celebrity world~

1..Kiefer Sutherland $550,000
2..Hugh Laurie $400,000
3..Mariska Hargitay $400,000
4..Christopher Meloni $400,000
5..MARG HELGENBERGER $390,000
6..David Caruso $375,000
7..LAURENCE FISHBURNE $350,000

It lists the top 20, so if one wants to read the whole list go online or buy it~

If it had been another couple...NO PROBLEM,but how is Sara/Gil everything is a problem. I only say...If so bad is for the show that Sara's returning to CSI,so why the producers have decided that Sara returns when worse the show is?

 

[Gremine]

They think we want MORE Langston, want ANOTHER character, and want SARA to fix everything? They are obviously watching another show.

:lol: Exactly.

Btw, maybe Ray is the Dr. Jekyll At least i would do that if i wrote the new season and i am sure i would like the character more as a serial killer.Sensible or not, just an idea. Damn the weather is hot! :wtf:

Whatever... and still no Greg news! :shifty:

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

I've just read that Garret Dillahunt will guest-star in the season premiere of CSI. Is he playing "Dr. Jekyll," the new serial killer, or will it be someone else? — Vic
ADAM: Sorry, Cromartie fans, but Dillahunt is not Dr. Jekyll. He plays the head of a celebrity security service, which doesn't exactly scream "serial killer cover" to us. Then again, the character's name does imply duplicity. Here's what we do know about Dr. Jekyll: He's infamous for leaving behind immaculate crime scenes: The body is all the evidence the CSIs will ever get. Fantastic! A serial killer with OCD!

Courtesy of TV Guide.

A serial killer with OCD. :lol: That's gonna be interesting!

Btw, maybe Ray is the Dr. Jekyll

That would be interesting and unique and it would coincide with what they said about Ray in the beginning (before his first appearance). Maybe he could be Dr. Jekyll (would also explain him taking extra forensics classes, or rather would give a good twist on that) and once he's caught, he could continue to be on the show in a "Hannibal Lecter" type of capacity where they CSIs go and ask his advice on cases or something. I think that would be quite interesting and would give LF something quite meaty to sink his teeth into.

and still no Greg news! :shifty:

Aside from the fact that he'll be working a case with Nicky in the second ep I think it is.

 

[myfuturecsi]

If it had been another couple...NO PROBLEM,but how is Sara/Gil everything is a problem. I only say...If so bad is for the show that Sara's returning to CSI,so why the producers have decided that Sara returns when worse the show is?

Because Gil Grissom was the team leader and Sara was under his leadership. There was a conflict of interest BIG TIME. So bringing one of them back in hopes of uniting a team doesn't fly with us.

Good point nanigsr didn't Danny and Lindsay get married and have a baby on CSI/NY? and didn't the whole team on that show embrace the issue on there, and the fans too? I

Oh Lord where on earth did you two get that idea? I've been to the NY section, it's like WWII in there.

You're wrong about a lot of the fans "embracing it" on CSI: NY. A lot of them didn't. It was one of the worst things they possibly could have done to the show, and the characters. (I personally didn't like Lindsay already, but it made Danny a completely different character).

It So you're 100 per cent right vegas! It's scarey in the NY section.:lol:.

And another difference between D/L and GSR is neither the characters or the actors lead the show, with GSR you have one character and actor in leadership mode. Since BP was the star, it meant the majority of character development and screentime would be devoted to him as expected from the lead. So any romance his character received then enjoyed more screentime and development as well.

Plus on a personal note, while I'm not D/L shipper, I do find their romance much more appealing than Sara and Grissom. I know alot NY fans will disagree with me, and that's fine, it's a personal choice for me. Their romance seemed far more genuine than Sara and Grissom.

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

If it had been another couple...NO PROBLEM,but how is Sara/Gil everything is a problem. I only say...If so bad is for the show that Sara's returning to CSI,so why the producers have decided that Sara returns when worse the show is?

I believe there would have been a problem. One of the great appeals of the show from the beginning was that it didn't focus on the personal lives of the characters. That's what set it apart from all the other crime shows out there (that and the cool forensics). We'd get glimpses into their lives every once in awhile (Catherine and her family, Warrick/Tina, Sara/Hank) but it was few and far between. (Personally, I believe this is why CSI has such a large fanfic community. There's so much that we don't know that we can make up.) Other times we see personal stuff, it relates to a case, i.e Nick/Kristy, Catherine/Braun, Grissom/Lady Heather, Brass/Ellie.

GSR probably wouldn't have been such a problem if it hadn't become so dominant. I never had issues with it until the show began revolving around it. Had the Catherine/Warrick relationship taken center stage, there would have been an outcry against that.

Basically, and this is only my opinion, fans who are upset with GSR generally have no problem with Grissom or Sara. They just want the show to return to its roots. This is why I was so excited when Eric gave the interview in Monte Carlo. He stated that (as far as he knew at the time) the show would be looking more at the science and less on the personal.

 

[egeria]

I've just read that Garret Dillahunt will guest-star in the season premiere of CSI. Is he playing "Dr. Jekyll," the new serial killer, or will it be someone else? — Vic
ADAM: Sorry, Cromartie fans, but Dillahunt is not Dr. Jekyll. He plays the head of a celebrity security service, which doesn't exactly scream "serial killer cover" to us. Then again, the character's name does imply duplicity. Here's what we do know about Dr. Jekyll: He's infamous for leaving behind immaculate crime scenes: The body is all the evidence the CSIs will ever get. Fantastic! A serial killer with OCD!

Courtesy of TV Guide.

Heeeey I wrote a story like that!!! Where do I sue?! :guffaw:

Kidding! I'm kidding! I mean, ok I really did write a story (one shot) with a serial killer who leaves no evidence behind but I'm not gonna sue!!

Anyway. Am I interested? I don't know. I'm not holding my breath!