Horatio/DC#14: Even heroes have the right to bleed

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I don't think I've posted in this thread before but I used to really dislike Horatio. Before I started watching Miami my mom used to watch it and Horatio just drove me crazy! But then I got into Miami and now absolutely love the character! I sort of miss those opening one liners this season. I love his one liners!
 
I don't think I've posted in this thread before but I used to really dislike Horatio. Before I started watching Miami my mom used to watch it and Horatio just drove me crazy! But then I got into Miami and now absolutely love the character! I sort of miss those opening one liners this season. I love his one liners!

Welcome! It's always nice to see someone who appreciates Horatio.

I was a huge Caruso fan before CSI Miami. So I was thrilled when I found out that he would be finally coming back to network television.

I absolutely adore the Horatio of season 1-3. When they began the storyline with Horatio and Marisol, I became more than a little disenchanted and just held on hoping it would end quickly . I saw no chemisty at all between the two and found Marisol to be clingy, childlike woman who Horatio treated more like a child than he did a lover. I'd really love for them to bring a woman into Horatio's life that is strong and equal to him.

Unfortunately while I got what I wanted when they killed off Marisol, they also changed Horatio into a depressive, killing machine who racked up an unbelievable body count in seasons 5 and 6. Not a lot of fun to watch your favorite character dressed in black every episode and walking around like all he wanted to do was either kill people or kill himself. Not a lot of joy there. :(

We even got to watch Horatio, the moral compass of the show, shoot an unarmed man at point blank range and were given a very strong insinuation that Horatio beat another unarmed man who was a suspect in a crime. Not exactly the character that I'd learned to respect from the first 3 and a half seasons of the show. Needless to say I became just a little frustrated.

However, I am finally beginning to see hints of the old Horatio now. Especially with Kyle entering the picture. I'm hoping that they continue with this and we get a chance to get some of the Horatio and I love back.

And I'm with you. I hope the writers can come up with some witty, classy one-liners for Horatio - like the old days. I haven't enjoyed a lot of the cheesy one-liners they've been giving him for the past couple of seasons. But I agree that I really miss the one-liners. It's interesting that we've haven't been seeing those this season. I wonder what's up with that? :confused:
 
Thanks for the welcome Delynn! I understand what you mean about the character. He has changed so much. I love seeing him work in the lab and getting down and doing the dirty work once again. I liked him with Marisol but I'm kind of glad it was brief. Him and Kyle is a great storyline.
 
So I've a question that I've been thinking about for awhile now- Does anybody notice any change in Horatio since finding out about Kyle when it comes to personal safety? I know when a person either finds out about pregnancy or a birth of a child, they think twice before putting themselves in too much danger since they think about leaving the child orphaned-like Danny has in CSI-NY show? Does anybody think Horatio has changed when entering a gunfight situation-like has he hesitated before charging in guns blazing etc? If I were him, I'd think twice about stuff if it meant leaving Kyle with somebody like Julia. I know Kyle's not some little boy but still...any thoughts ?
 
So I've a question that I've been thinking about for awhile now- Does anybody notice any change in Horatio since finding out about Kyle when it comes to personal safety? I know when a person either finds out about pregnancy or a birth of a child, they think twice before putting themselves in too much danger since they think about leaving the child orphaned-like Danny has in CSI-NY show? Does anybody think Horatio has changed when entering a gunfight situation-like has he hesitated before charging in guns blazing etc? If I were him, I'd think twice about stuff if it meant leaving Kyle with somebody like Julia. I know Kyle's not some little boy but still...any thoughts ?

Good question! You know I haven't really thought about that side of Kyle entering Horatio's life or noticed a difference. But your question makes me want to give that some thought.

I'll get back to ya! ;)
 
Well, the subject was brought up in the spoiler thread so I'd like to express my sympathies to David for the public nightmare that is apparently on the horizon for him.

Why must these tragedies always be played out on the public stage? :mad:

It's kind of ironic that tomorrow David's stalker, Heidimarie Schnitzer, will go on trial and be sentenced in Innsbruck, Austria. Hopefully her Internet access will be taken away and the horrible websites and blogs that she constructed terrorizing him for all these years will be ordered shut down - and she will get some help!

However, the man can't seem to get a break. :(

As for the allegations against David by his ex-girlfriend Liza Marquez, I will only say this.

1. A LOT of guys, and some gals, have a collection of porn. Good porn, bad porn, classic porn and brand new porn. As long as it's not an obession that takes over your life, I don't see the harm. It does get a little old, this lawyer trick of throwing private information like this out for public consumption whenever a lawyer is trying to make someone look like a sleaze or deviant. To me it speaks to trying your case in the court of public opinion and that generally means you have a weak case.

2. If David was upset in the beginning because he wasn't expecting to be a father again, he appears to have "manned up" pretty quick. From everything I've heard and seen, he adores his son. I remember an interview with Melina Kanakaredes, who was working with David on an episode of CSI NY when Marquez, David's son was born. I believe she described David as "giddy". She said it was all he could talk about and he spent all his time showing everyone pictures of the boy. And she is only one example. I've heard many more just like it.

I haven't seen pictures of him with his youngest daughter, so I really can't speak to how they interact. Pictures and film of him interacting with his oldest daughter, Greta, shows what appears to be a close and loving relationship. It's truly sad that this little boy will now grow up, truth or not the allegation is now out there for him to hear, hearing that is father wanted him aborted. And that his youngest daughter will in the future be faced with the allegation that her father doubted she was his. How cruel these types of situations can be. Lawyers never seem to see the harm in the allegations they hurl in their need to win their cases. Hopefully by the time Marquez and Paloma are old enough to be forced to deal with damage caused by this action, they will be confident in their father's love and committment to them.

3. The allegations of mental and verbal abuse appear to be evident from the start of the relationship and one wonders why anyone would remain in a situation so unpleasant. I can see why a woman with children who has no other options would feel the need to stay, but this was apparently an unhappy situation for Liza before she became pregnant. I find it curious that after the first unpleasant pregnancy, she elected to become pregnant again. Especially since it apparently just led to more unpleasantness for her.

4. I have no problem imaging David is sometimes demanding and difficult to live with. If his method of working, a pefectionist, carries over into his private lifestyle, I would think there would be a lot of times where he is hard to please. We have also heard ad nauseum that David has a temper. :rolleyes: Again this would have been evident from the start, before the first pregnancy and certainly before the second.

5. I have a lot of single mother girl friends. While they are usually working overtime trying to collect their rightfully owed child support, NONE of them received houses or monthly support from their children's fathers. They all had to find employment and support themselves because they were capable of working. One was allowed to obtain vocational training using public assistance because she had no marketable skill. But no one was awarded a house or monthly support at the expense of the child's father - whether he was an ex-boyfriend or ex-husband.

On this point I'll have to admit that my independence and a decision long ago to never allow myself to become dependent upon a man and to always stand on my own as an equal partner in any relationship may be clouding my perception. I would request the support to which my children are entitled, but for me? - I would stand on my own.

As with any situation like this, there are two sides to the story and I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Whatever the future holds regarding this matter, PLEASE, I sincerely hope that ALL parties remember to keep the first priority the innocent children affected here. That seems to be where David's heart was and is.

May this all be settled quickly and and as quietly possible for the sake of the children.
 
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Well, the subject was brought up in the spoiler thread so I'd like to express my sympathies to David for the public nightmare that is apparently on the horizon for him.

Why must these tragedies always be played out on the public stage? :mad:

Whatever the future holds regarding this matter, PLEASE, I sincerely hope that ALL parties remember to keep the first priority the innocent children affected here. That seems to be where David's heart was and is.

May this all be settled quickly and and as quietly possible for the sake of the children.

Well said, Delynn. The mere filing of such a suit speaks volumes of the plaintiff and her counsel.
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It's too bad people don't realize the damage incurred when the courts become involved. Mediation can be more useful, inexpensive and doesn't impact on the children negatively. Legal fees aren't driven up by greedy attorneys; this type of negotiation doesn't cause a media frenzy.
It begs the question; who's looking out for the best interests of the children?
 
Oh wow-how sad. I'm sorry if she had his two kids and even had some time with him how could a million dollars make her happy now? Sorry to hear he has to deal with such greed. I know he'll always take care of his kids-he's a great dad. But some women always want more when a relationship ends..poor David. Hope this doesn't affect him too much distress but who needs such bad PR? he doesn't deserve this right now.
 
I've tried to look at both sides, and his ex isn't looking very pretty in this. And this is coming from a woman! Granted, there may be blame on his part, and he's no angel in this, but it looks as if she was looking for him to be her meal ticket and it didn't work out the way she planned. First of all, he allegedly did not want their first child. Why would you have a second child with him? Who knows, they both could have planned for this, but if he left after the second was born, it sounds as if it wasn't.
Sounds like a trap, and I hate women who try to trap men in a relationship, especially if it is purely financial. I can take care of darn myself and I refuse to have anyone hang money over my head! Sad, just sad. :shifty:
But hey, this is me on the outside looking in. It's just my humble opin.
 
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Update on David's stalker, Heidemarie Schnitzer:

The Austrian Times (http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=12497) is reporting that David's stalker, Heidemarie Schnitzer, has been sentenced to seven months in prison and will then be relocated to a mental institution after serving her sentence.

Her attorney is appealing the sentence. (Please keep your fingers crossed that it holds up!)

You can read more about the trial on The Stalker Chronicles website at: http://thestalkerchronicles.blogspot.com/
 
Another, hopefully last, update on David's stalker:

Surprise, surprise! She's threaten people before. Apparently in the 90s Heidemarie Schnitzer threatened an ex-boyfriend and was even sentenced for it (http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=12611) There was also an attorney that she threatened years back.

She was diagnosed with a mental disorder way back then. So the Austrian court really dropped the ball by letting her keep her passport and thereby the ability to flee when the Caruso stalking came before them for their attention. They already had knowledge of how derranged Heide is/was. :scream:

Hopefully she is now getting the help she needs and David, his children and loved ones, and Liza Marquez can now live in peace.
 
Okay. Last night's episode really made me smile. I REALLY saw signs of the Horatio from the earlier seasons last night. The one who was focused on the victim, compassionate, ready to listen and truly cared about the case. :thumbsup:

Yeah!!!

I've been seeing signs of this for a while, but last night was a huge step towards what I believe is Horatio finding his way back.

Let's hope that next week doesn't see a back peddle with something happening to Kyle again causing Horatio to go dark.

Now if they could just lighten his wardrobe a little. :rolleyes:
 
It was the Horatio in last night's epi that makes me love him. He was very compassionate with the girl (Kaitlin?) both times - at the end & at the pool. I really enjoy him when he's like that. I always hear people say he's sometimes cold & has no feeling - I just don't see that. Sometimes, yes, he needs some pushing, but overall I think the guy is one of the more emotional characters on 'Miami'. He just has a different way of showing it, & it would be ridiculous for him to be "nice" to suspects - his anger towards them just shows how much these cases get to him & how he feels for the victims. It's good to see parts of the old Horatio back in true form. :p

Now if they could just lighten his wardrobe a little. :rolleyes:
Oh I agree. I miss the tan suits from earlier seasons.
 
Let's hope that next week doesn't see a back peddle with something happening to Kyle again causing Horatio to go dark.

This is what I'm afraid of. I know it sounds strange, but I think that if they killed off Kyle, the show would be over. Not that Kyle is that important, but it's simply not realistic for Horatio to even be functioning after that much loss. And if they made him go dark again...well, I don't think anyone wants to see that.

Now if they could just lighten his wardrobe a little. :rolleyes:
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed he's been wearing the same suit for about 12 episodes. :rolleyes: I laughed when the host poked fun at Horatio's suit. :lol:

I loved the end scene where he was warming up the girl. It was so...normal. It was such a human thing to do. I'm really glad we saw that. Also there was some line he said that was so reminiscent of old Horatio that I actually squeeled. Now I'm blanking. I'm going to have to watch the ep again and get back to you guys, unless any of you know what I'm talking about. :confused:
 
My Horatio is coming back - finally! :beer:

This is the Horatio that drew me to CSI Miami and kept me coming back for more. This is the Horatio I love. Caring for the victim. Making them the priority and leaving the personal baggage where it belongs - home.

A couple of scenes with Calleigh. They actually looked at each other and talked! Who'd of thought it could happen. Wasn't as painful as past attempts, but still doesn't come close to flowing the way it used to. If they are going to keep throwing them together - both of them need to work on making it appear more comfortable.

I wish we would have gotten to see:

1. Horatio checking on Kyle after the explosion in the lab;

2. Horatio thanking Ryan for protecting Kyle;

But it was amazing watching Ryan and Kyle! I've really grown to love Ryan.

Notice how Natalia was standing and Horatio was sitting in the scene with the waitress? I found that interesting. Horatio is usually the one standing off to the side. Natalia took the lead in the interrogation, but Horatio was sitting close by the victim.

Horatio interacting with the children. YES!!!! More, more, more! The little girl was absolutely adorable and she and Caruso played off each other wonderfully.

All in all, I loved this episode. Horatio still has a ways to go, but I think this episode is a very strong indication that he's well on his way to coming all the way back! Thank goodness - finally! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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