Discussion in 'Shipper Central' started by sarahvma, Aug 5, 2006.
i'm really sorry for that forensicsgirl. i thought it would pertain to GSR enough to post it here.
About whether Catherine will be supportive or not... this is NOT a character slam, but rather my opinion on said character: I think Catherine liked the fact that she helped him realize his mistake and make it up to Sara. I mean, because in the first season, she didn't think very much of her. They did eventually "make up" but it was clear from Nesting Dolls that while they are friendly with each other, there will always be a general feeling of disapproval about certain characteristics the other one has, and those will come out from time to time. For Sara she feels Catherine is oversexual and brings her personal life too much into the cases she works. For Catherine she feels that Sara just likes to harp and throw stereotypes on suspects, drawing conclusions before it's necessary. In truth, though - I think that their prejudices are so much alike that they don't want to admit that, and attack one-another. I mean, both of them like to bring in their private lives and both of them basically say, "Here's who did it because of x, no matter what the evidence is telling them until the end. Catherine generally believes all mothers are innocent, whereas Sara thinks any hint of domestic abuse is the where the answer lies.
But that's why the two women don't necessarily get along - it brings me to a bigger point. Catherine wanted to help Grissom. She wanted to help him, in that scene, realize his fault, realize he's been pushing everyone away and been oblivious to changes in their lives, and that if he can make it up to one person, maybe that will open his eyes.
But Catherine likes being on the inside. I think that no matter what her feelings towards Sara are, and they're obviously very friendly now, the fact that she was kept in the dark about such a huge secret by who is probably her best friend and a fellow co-worker, will make her angry.
Ultimately, I agree with Fogi - I think she will be happy for him in the sense of "he's with someone, he's happy, he deserves that" - but she's always watching out for him. So while privately she'll be happy, I think a lot of her reaction will be bourn of, again, the anger that she was kept in the dark, and the concern for his job and Sara's.
I really really believe, though - that how much of each emotion any of the team gives will be dependant on how the secret comes out. If Catherine is the first to figure it out, then she'll probably be more happy and protective than anything else. If it's revealed by an outside source, I think shock and concern will be the primary emotions most of the team will feel.
That's okay, hon. I was just defining the line. And I do think it was relevant enough to post here - I just didn't want it to seem like an opportunity to start discussing other ships without knowing where the line was - if that makes sense... I've been dealing with staff issues all day so I think my brain has officially ceased to function...
And Sarah, I more or less agree. I do think Cath likes to be on the inside with stuff like this - she's the "people person" of the group for a reason - she's a social animal and she's the sort of person who likes to get involved, give advice, give people gentle (or not so gentle) nudges when they're stuck in a rut in their personal lives. I have friends like this in my own social circle (I've even been known to be like this in the past myself ) and i think its just one interesting facet of Cath's personality.
I think she'll be a little annoyed that they've kept the relationship a secret - but I think she'll also fully understand why. And I don't think it'll come out as anger. i think it may well come out as a gentle ribbing or not-so-innocent comments to one of them to freak them out a little bit. But I don't imagine any arguments born out of the relationship reveal.
Is anyone else thinking the only cynic of the group will be Warrick? I don't know, but given the state of his marriage by the end of season 6, I sort of see him being a little down on relationships - maybe giving both Grissom and Sara a "are you sure you know what you're getting yourself into?" comment here and there. Or perhaps I'm projecting my own thing onto him (when any of my relationships have gone sour in the past, I've gotten onto the "all relationship are doomed" path for a little while...)
I knew the second I used it that "anger" was the wrong word. Annoyed or slightly hurt is probably closer to the mark.
I do think the cynic of the group will be Warrick and I think the great irony of that is how supportive he used to be of Sara - quietly teasing her about Hank, making the little cracks about "you just don't like seeing Grissom with other women".
I think that given
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The fact that David makes it sound as though Warrick is constantly making little jabs as to why marriage is a bad idea suggests that he really would probably be the most judgemental.
Good explanation FG I agree- and one can have many "friendships" that don't necessarily mean anything except that I've just always seen a special connection between G/S that I haven't seen with them, and anyone else- I'm the old-timer here meaning not chronologically-but watched since the Pilot-and have always known, and, I'm adamant- that these were the two that were destined to be together- so I was so thrilled by the finale- like WHOPEE-finally-- :lol:now if they'll only carry it through- P-L-E-A-S-E
I think that Catherine won't have a problem with her being kept in the dark about the relationship at all. My guess is that she'll totally understand why they did it, and that it wasn't anything personal towards her. She'll be very supportive about keeping the relationship a secret, she certainly won't be the one that will run to Ecklie. It would upset me if TPTB would make her do that.. I like liking Catherine, and it sucks to have episodes like Lady Heather's Box, Nesting Dolls or Weeping Willows to make me not like her.
I'm sorry if I sound vague, I don't know what up with me, lol.
Well, because y'all know me...
I don't know about most supportive but I think it's a safe bet Ecklie will be least supportive lol.
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and ginascar you too very cute the pics of sara and grissom in the bed
and well in the poll i voted for:
the most warrick cause is friend of grissom and i think that he is very happy for they.
and the least i voted for cath i think that she is to little jelous but ONLY is my opinion .
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in the poll, i choose Catherine to be the most supportive, and Sofia the least. Catherine was in the beginning not very nice to Sara, but i think they became close friends, and i think that if sara tells her she is happy with Grissom, Catherine will be like: ow gosh, Sara, i'm so happy for you! Maybe inside she will feel a little sad about it, cause she was always close to grissom too..
Sofia will be the least supportive, cause in the bullet runs through it episode, where Sofia was talking to grissom and Sara stepped in and was not happily suprised about the fact that Sofia was there, you could read the sadness of Sofia's face, she was like: ow, your 'sweetheart' is here again, she is totally disturbing us.. so yes, i think she is the least supportive..
i think that ecklie would certainly have a problem with it too, but if they date secretly, i hope he won't find out.. :devil:
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in the first poll i voted Ecklie. i think he'll be the most supportive. joking. i voted Cath, cuz i actually doubt she ever felt something more for him, i think she likes him very much and the two of them are the biggest friends on the show. and i never thought that Sara and Catherine didn't like each other. i'd even say they did from the beggining, even if their first encounter wasn't very pleasant. they were already talking friendly just after that one "who the hell are you"? minute. yeah, i guess they argued a couple of times, but who doesn't? especially when they are two very strong and succesfull women who work together. that's why IMO Cath will be happy for both of them equally.
in the second poll i first wanted to mark Hodges, cuz i think he'll gossip too much about it, so it would spread across the lab three times faster and also he'll be too straighforward about it when talking to either Sara or Grissom. BUT THEN i saw Ecklie, and marked him, b/c he's just a mean guy and he wouldn't let them get away with it if he knew. on the other hand, we all know that Ecklie's position depends on Grissom and his effectiveness at work, so if he didn't feel this wild vengeance any more, i think he would turn a blind eye to it. or he could always do something to Sara. i think it all depends on how and when the secret will be revealed. heck, i don't know what Ecklie's gonna do. i'm gonna make a poll on that later.
Most supporitive Catherine. Like I said before, she likes to see Grissom happy and socializing. She'll be happy that they finally found eachother.
Least supportive...I chose Greg. I really hope that this relationship has some effect on him. It's the Sandle shipper inside of me I guess...to be honest, I wouldn't even be against a love triangle (they probably 'd never do that though). But I'd really like some dissapointment from his side. Though I don't like to see Greg depressed.
In the first poll I voted Doc Robbins, because I think that he's the only one who would be able to simply look at the situation and say "Good for you". He doesn't have to worry about his own job, or their jobs, like the CSIs, Catherine may have the alternate feelings I was mentioning above, and I do believe that Brass might also feel something of the same, again that "You're one of my best friends and I knew nothing" reactions. Lesser so with Brass, but still.
As for the second one, I picked Catherine. Technically, yes - Ecklie will probably be the most against it... if it interferes with cases. But as it stands, just as itself, I doubt he cares that much. Concerned again about politics, but not the real relationship. Greg and Nick and Warrick just want to see Sara happy, and while Hodges may have a crush on Sara, I could see him seeing it as Sara trying to further herself in her job (he would) at which point he'd probably give the nod.
So for the same reasons I mentioned before, I think verbally Catherine is the least likely to just say "Good for you" and leave it there, of the CSIs (and those who actually care about the two people).
I think it is funny how people seem to differ about how Cath would react. It makes me even more curious how she'll take it!
By the way, if Greg would not react badly, but is happy for her as a friend, then I'd expect some joke like: "So, what does Grissom have that I don't?" Total Hank flashback!
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