Grissom&Sara #20 - Who Cares? The Shirt's Coming Off Anyway

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MissDee, I am so in love with your theory. It does makes sense. I have my own theories as to when the relationship may have rekindled and when it ended again, but I'll get to that when we get to the relevant episodes.

Does anyone else really want to know what happened when Grissom asked Sara to stay on in Vegas and work for him? I do! How did he phrase the offer? How long did it take for her to say yes?

I'm leaping forward light-years here, but it fits in with this. In Snakes, Sara seems to be reassuring him "You've always been more than a boss to me - Why do you think I moved to Vegas?" - Maybe, because of their previously failed relationship, and the fact that when they tried to pick up the pieces in Vegas the first time, it didn't work either - maybe Grissom doubts that Sara ever had *real* feelings for him. Maybe she knows this and basically lays it out on the table in Snakes - "I do love you. This was not about work or you being my mentor. I moved to Vegas for you, not the job. You need to start believing that again."

I wonder if her motivations were obvious or well-guarded when she accepted the job offer, sometime between Cool Change and Crate N Burial. They were obviously flirting in CnB - the duct tape scene especially. And then, of course, there's also the scene in the desert, when they've just rescued the 'victim' and Grissom touches her face. There's a lot of intimacy and familiarity there. He's concerned for her. And she replies:

"It never ceases to amaze me what people do to each other."

Is she just talking about the case? Or is she also maybe talking about them? What they did to each other?

If MissDee's theory is correct, and Sara ended the relationship (either due to not wanting a long-distance thing, or cold feet, or whatever) then she's regreting it now. She's trying to make amends - moving to Vegas to be near him. It's after this moment that the flirting really kicks off.

I'd love to hear everyone's perspective on this...
 
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forensicsgirl said:
Zig and I were chatting on MSN about CM's comments that she thinks Grissom & Sara were involved before she came to Vegas, and were discussing the possibilities that they were together at some point earlier in the series too.

Here's what CM said:

"I think they were intimate in San Francisco, but not when they got to Las Vegas – at least not initially."
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The "at least not initially" thing struck us, struck most of us as odd. Surely this suggests that they were involved at some point during seasons 1-5, and not just for this past year, or however long they've been dating...?
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The interpretation of CM's comment would depend on what sort of time frame you are talking about. Now I'm assuming that CM made this comment after WTG was aired. (If I'm wrong let me know.) So theoretically even though she said that they weren't intimate initally after Sara came to Vegas, the viewer has no idea whether that means that they weren't intimate for what could've been a month, 6 months, 12 months or possibly 6 years.

I personally doubt that they were together until season 6. The aftereffects of Grave Danger possibly being the catalyst, but I'm open to suggestions otherwise. Before this I can't see it happening, even though there is no doubt that the attraction was there. For reasons such as the way Sara asks Grissom out in Playing with Fire. She wants to see what would happen, to take a chance like they had never taken it before. Also fact she went out with Hank (if she had've had Grissom at any stage before this, would she really have gone out with another bloke seeing as he's probably her soul mate). Then there's Grissom's reactions in Butterflied, even in his speech he said that, 'he couldn't do it' (have a relationship with Sara). I'm guessing he wouldn't have said this if they had've been intimate before because I can't really see them having had a one night stand or even a casual relationship. I feel it has to be all or nothing with them.
 
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and well i have a big question lol
why some people Hate la gsr
i found website anti-grissom sara why the people do anti-gsr and not pro-... your shipper.
they are two characters...can like it or not but hate only for to be grissom and sara.
i say grissom and sara because i don´t found anti another shippers.
the question why some people hate the gsr ?
 
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yea why do some people hate gsr???

i mean who doesnt like angsty drama!!

look in the last 2 pics above and how close they are!!

woow!!
thanks
 
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I personally doubt that they were together until season 6. The aftereffects of Grave Danger possibly being the catalyst, but I'm open to suggestions otherwise. Before this I can't see it happening, even though there is no doubt that the attraction was there. For reasons such as the way Sara asks Grissom out in Playing with Fire. She wants to see what would happen, to take a chance like they had never taken it before. Also fact she went out with Hank (if she had've had Grissom at any stage before this, would she really have gone out with another bloke seeing as he's probably her soul mate). Then there's Grissom's reactions in Butterflied, even in his speech he said that, 'he couldn't do it' (have a relationship with Sara). I'm guessing he wouldn't have said this if they had've been intimate before because I can't really see them having had a one night stand or even a casual relationship. I feel it has to be all or nothing with them.
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Jenjac, i completely agree with every word you said. on the other hand it's really cool to speculate and find other theories. i particularly like MissDee's one. it really explains a lot more that we thought any theory could possibly explain. it really makes sense.

i've got another theory. i think what could've happened in SF was a date, Grissom driving Sara back home, giving her a peck on a cheek and saying goodbye. it could've been their first and only date back then, b/c Grissom had to move to Vegas. then he called her and we know the rest of the story. it would explain why Sara had enough courage to ask him out again in PWF and reveal her feelings in Snakes or Nesting Dolls (because HE invited her on a date in SF, and that gave her assurance that the attraction is mutual).

i have one more. here it goes: they were dating in SF on a regular basis, but not enough to get very serious about their relationship. they were student-teacher or something similar depending what was Grissom doing in SF, but either way they weren't supposed to date. and they got caught by someone who didn't make a big deal out of it but gave them a warning. Gris moved, asked her to come along but didn't want to risk his job again, b/c he knew how close he once was of loosing it. so they are both aware of what could've been between them, that's why they flirt so easily in the beggining. sara maybe didn't know yet that Grissom didn't want to date her anyomore, or maybe he didn't decide on that yet. maybe he decided later, in the time when their relationship started to get on the rocks, and sara realised he resigned to make a move and dated Hank, then gave one last shot in PWT and gave up on him for some time. she gave him couple more signals after she saw that he still feels something after IE, and then in Butterflied realised WHY he was so closed to her. it wasn't b/c he lost interest but b/c he was afraid that what happened once (they got caught) could happen here too, not mentioning that they work with people who have a job noticing these things. so now she knew WHY he didn't want anything. Bloodlines came along, now she had a visible proof that he still cares for her (and we still don't know what happened when he drove her home). now she knew for sure there was still something, that's why she was so anxious about seeing him after her 2-week break, and she practiced what will she say to him in Viva LV. she gave him some serious signals that she also was still interested in pursuing a relationship in Snakes and Nesting Dolls. she was jelous of Sofia in Unbearable, Grissom's facial expression revealed a hint of guilt too. and finally Committed and Grave Danger convinced Grissom to make a move, that life is short and he needs to live more fully. so he makes a move sometime in S6.
 
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Sara interrogating LH:
S: so you didn't have sex with the victim?
LH: not that i know of.
S: oh, so you may not remember a night with him?
LH: he was an easily forgetable person ideed. not like Dr. Grissom for example. i'm going to remember HIM till the rest of my life.
S: *jawdrop*
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Way to make my day,Adzix.

On the discussion of Grissom and Sara's past relationship:
I seriously feel like we're all sitting here at our computers solving a mystery/case. We're all like "Well this and this happened, so maybe it means this." Sorry, I just felt like I needed to say that.
Anyway, my opinion on it is that I really do think that they had a past relationship. Look at it this way: He knew where he could find her to bring her to Vegas; They obviously have feelings for each other; Catherine could quite possibly have heard of her before, given her reaction to her name when Grissom said she would be comeing to Vegas; He didn't even have to look to know it was her(that takes alot more then just a familiar voice, trust me. haha); The way they look at each other and in some way actually understand each other(note that I realize Sara isn't the only one who actually understands Grissom-Cath does to). All of this and more could explain how it's a very possible possiblility that they actually did have a previous relationship.

I feel like I just typed an essay. Lol
 
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YES! look, Fogs, it worked! REAL DISCUSSION!

Does anyone else really want to know what happened when Grissom asked Sara to stay on in Vegas and work for him? I do! How did he phrase the offer? How long did it take for her to say yes?
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Uh, hell yes I do! And always have. Maybe he took her for dinner.. Oh, better than that.. okay, say, maybe they ended up spending the night together and he blurted it out in post-coital bliss, like some men blurt out declarations of love and wedding proposals. Just "Sara, I want you to stay.." and then an immediate "Okay." in response. Ooh, this could be SUCH a good fanfic...

I personally doubt that they were together until season 6
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Oh, I think we do too.. it's just that since CM has now said what she said, we're trying to rework our thoughts and opinions on past moments and events and see them in new light. It's a fun exercise more than a serious one :)

I totally agree with you guys, sidlreiana and orgasmicbilly, but keep in mind that it's not just gsr, there are people that hate all ships. Also, we're not supposed to talk about other ships in here, because we don't want to start fights. Let's keep it strictly about GSR in here, guys :)

Adz, your theory is BRILLIANT. I love it! It would make SO MUCH SENSE if they were caught and reprimanded by someone for their relationship.. he'd be so terrified to start anything up again, for fear of a repeat of that happening.. ooh, I like it.

This is great guys, please keep it up!!! The episode we'll be looking at today is <i>Crate n Burial</i>, Grissom and Sara's first case worked together. The main scene we have in this one is the face touch under the helicopter, and some of you have already started discussing it, which is great...

My thoughts on this one were that Grissom forgot himself for a moment and reached out to Sara, as seemed natural to him.. obviously at this point, even though they supposedly were NOT in a relationship, they both wanted to be in one. I think that his touching her and caring about her are so reflexive to him that he doesn't even think about it. You know what's really cool about this moment? It is the very first GSR sexually tense scene... how cool is that?
 
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ZIGGY! <squee> I am so happy... I'm TRYING to be a puffin, but I don't know what they are... <weep, tear> Yay, and Adzix too... <contented sigh>
"very first GSR sexually tense scene..." Personally, I thought the pair have been restraining themselves from jumping one another since that thing with the pig way back when... <teehee> for original GSR moments! SCENARIONESS!
Grissom: <yawn>
Catherine: Tired?
Grissom: Yeah.
Catherine: I thought we made you spend the night at Sara's for your protection from that stalker? Did you have nightmares or something?
Grissom: Me, Sara, and a bed does not equal sleep, Catherine. You should know this by now.
Grissom's stalker: <typing> <post> Tee hee... and then they started making out... Where I came up with the name Crysthala, I will never know...
 
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^lol, Crys, puffins are a fantastic type of bird that the beautiful miss JayneEmily'sRealm and I have a strange obsession with. :D You'd have to read my LJ to get the full explanation, it's rather long.

Anyway, that's a great scenario...
Grissom: Me, Sara, and a bed does not equal sleep, Catherine. You should know this by now.
*giggles*

Any thoughts about the behind the scenes early GSR?
 
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ziggystarduzt said:
but keep in mind that it's not just gsr, there are people that hate all ships. Also, we're not supposed to talk about other ships in here, because we don't want to start fights. Let's keep it strictly about GSR in here, guys :)

Adz, your theory is BRILLIANT. I love it! It would make SO MUCH SENSE if they were caught and reprimanded by someone for their relationship.. he'd be so terrified to start anything up again, for fear of a repeat of that happening.. ooh, I like it.
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ziggystarduzt i am agree with you ;)
 
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See, Adzix? She couldn't deny her yearning for Billy forever.

Well, much as I would like to interpret the facts as if Grissom and Sara really could've been together ALL of this time, I just don't think I want to believe that either of them would be that cruel to each other. Unless we're suggesting it was on-again, off-again, but I really would prefer to keep it in the realm of realism.

In perfect truth, when Sara was in San Francisco she was a budding CSI. She was happy - she hadn't seen a lot of bad cases, so she was probably a lot like Greg. Proof of that being that Greg is now maxing out on overtime and getting wrapped up in cases.

So she was thrilled to be there. And he was the way he was in the pilot - very enthuasiastic about his job, the people, and so on. He was also a big flirt. I think that the flirtatious side of him died about mid season 1. At least in the sense that he was no longer the one instigating.

So could something have happened in San Francisco? Yes. But I don't think it went as far as sex. And the reason is Grissom's comment about unanswered why's. I don't think he was there long enough for them to be in a long relationship, so I think it might have had to do more with her putting the brakes on at the time.

BUT if it's just for the fun of it...

Okay - they were together in San Francisco, she shows up - he doesn't even have to turn around. He knows the sound of her voice. Little smiles. It's clear that they really liked one-another. Catherine knew Sara's name when he said it - there was a tone of recognition but also disbelief.

Then the tape-me-up. Catherine again looks wary of Grissom being so intimate with Sara at work. I think she's looking after his job, here. Anyway - tape me up and they are very flirtatious if there had been no flirting before.

Now Unfriendly Skies... Unfriendly Skies it's rather clear that he's surprised by her level of sexual expertise, and she's surprised at the lack of his. Especially when she asks "what magazine?", expecting to hear "Hustler" or something.

Ooh - quick question: was Grissom lying? Sara reads forensic journals by the boatload, what are the chances she's never heard of his?
 
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See, Adzix? She couldn't deny her yearning for Billy forever.
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I hate you all. It's that one picture. ONE PICTURE! *runs away crying*

We're not ON Unfriendly Skies yet, damnit, we're ON Crate n Burial. Always with the trying to rush forward. *glare* Okay, okay, go post your poll. See, Sar wanted to post a poll, and I was like "No, post deep discussion!" and she was like "Okay" and then goes and rushes ahead to Unfriendly Skies. So now I'm going to let her post her poll, once she gets out of the shower. Even if she is being miserly about our fantastic fun idea. I love you, Sarah! :D
 
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I hate you all. It's that one picture. ONE PICTURE! *runs away crying*
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That's how it starts. As Miss Dee would say, you are officially in stage one of BPHS.

Well FINE. I didn't know we were going episode by episode.

Okay, Crate and Buriel:

1) Catherine looks wary of Sara and he flirting at work, and seems to know that his affection for her goes beyond a simple attraction
2) Catherine's actions towards Sara kind of prove that she's sticking up both for Grissom's job and maybe even his personal life, if she was the one to put on the brakes in San Francisco.
3) Grissom touches Sara's face when they pull up the crate, and although it's sort of like the "honey" scene, it proves that he has no problem touching her in a very un boss like way without even thinking about it.
4) Tape me up is loaded with past flirtation
 
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That's how it starts. As Miss Dee would say, you are officially in stage one of BPHS.
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Keep that up and I'll sneak meat into your tofu dogs at my birthday party.

Well FINE. I didn't know we were going episode by episode.
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I only said it like. 10 times. *poke*


Regardless, very nice analysis indeed :D
 
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