Grade 'Raising Shane'

Dagnabbit, I thought it was the Holly Golightly one, so I was psyched that if it's a rerun, at least it's a good one. Ah, well. The first ep wasn't too terrible :lol:
 
Thanks MacsGirlMel! You made my day :) Yay, only two weeks of severe CSI:NY withdrawal. Thank goodness they are not following that "split the season in half" trend.
 
I think that this was definately the best episode of the season. I loved how amazing Danny was. Hes so kick ass with his "I used to be a badass" attitude. It really works. I seriously hope that him and Lindsay get together, they are my favourite characters and the second she stepped on the show I thought they would be good together.

Speaking of crazy... lol... Ed Furlong was awesome in this episode. It didnt even feel like an episode of CSI NY it felt like a mini movie. It was extremely well directed and the story line was perfect. I loved how they tied Danny's brother into the mix and showed Danny being a bad ass and a good cop. He is an amazing actor and I cant wait for more and more Danny centric episodes.

Also about Stella and Hawkes... I just dont see the chemistry, Im not against it. I think they would be cute... but that whole hug thing at the end seemed very forced.
Just me though.

p.s. can you tell Im in love with The Messer!
 
Finally went back and rewatched it. :)

It was just as excellent the second time around, but I actually caught some of the explanations that I missed the first time. ;)

There are really just a few things I wanted to mention, though.

When Captain What's-his-name made the comment about 'science geeks with a penchant for committing felonies' (or something similar), I had to rewind and listen again. Now, I don't think Danny could have become a cop in the first place if he committed a felony (although I'm not entirely sure on that one), but I'm thinking that maybe he was suspected of being involved at some point maybe...could it have something to do with him bailing Louie out, as he said at the end? When he was talking to Shane, the line about how you tell yourself that 'he couldn't do this, not this' (again, not an exact quote) stood out to me. So maybe he tried to keep Louie out of trouble when he did something serious? Maybe that was tantamount to being involved to some of the cops...I'm very curious about Louie's past, and just how involved Danny was with him...

When the Captain said that, I also would have thought Flack might come to Danny's defense. Now don't get me wrong, it was Stella's place to say something since she was the one being addressed, but Flack didn't even react--this is the same guy who shoved a cop in "On the Job" for making assumptions about Danny shooting the undercover cop. Um, what happened? Danny has shown that he's not the best friend in the world ("Charge of this Post," anyone?), but Flack has always been a guy to stand up for the CSIs. I'm going to assume that he didn't hear the part about beating some sense into Danny, because if he didn't say anything there... :rolleyes: I know Don is concerned about how the other cops see him, and he obviously shows a great deal of respect to Captain Whoever-he-is, but it just seemed a bit out of character that Sheldon is a suspect, the team is being taken off of the case, Danny is personally insulted--and nothing from Flack? Um, yeah...

Speaking of character reactions: when they see Sheldon in handcuffs and the guy says 'that's him,' would there not be more of an instinctive reaction from Mac, Stella or Flack? Flack just goes 'are you sure?' like he could believe it? :rolleyes: Maybe they were just shocked and at a loss for words, but still...

Danny in the scene with Shane was really funny to me. I'm not sure why. He just seemed so nervous and out of his element. I like that they didn't make him just sort of swagger in there like he's tough shit. :p

Oh, and I have to mention this: When they were looking at the paperwork on Ian Casey, my mom commented: "I like that Mac wears his badge on his waist. It makes him look hot." :lol: Yes, my mother said hot. I found it hilarious and felt the need to share. :p

Um, I think that's all for now. I might come up with more later--I really need to start taking notes when I watch the episodes. :lol:
 
When the Captain said that, I also would have thought Flack might come to Danny's defense. Now don't get me wrong, it was Stella's place to say something since she was the one being addressed, but Flack didn't even react--this is the same guy who shoved a cop in "On the Job" for making assumptions about Danny shooting the undercover cop. Um, what happened? Danny has shown that he's not the best friend in the world ("Charge of this Post," anyone?), but Flack has always been a guy to stand up for the CSIs. I'm going to assume that he didn't hear the part about beating some sense into Danny, because if he didn't say anything there... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I know Don is concerned about how the other cops see him, and he obviously shows a great deal of respect to Captain Whoever-he-is, but it just seemed a bit out of character that Sheldon is a suspect, the team is being taken off of the case, Danny is personally insulted--and nothing from Flack? Um, yeah...
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Staying quiet was the shrewdest move Flack could have made. Getting into a pissing contest with his captain in front of other cops would have gotten him yanked from the case at the very least, and most likely disciplined. He can't help Hawkes riding a desk.

And as you pointed out, maybe his decision to stay quiet speaks volumes about how his and Danny's friendship stands post-COTP. Maybe he's tired of sticking his neck out for the nerds and not getting mutual trust and respect in turn.
 
Also about Stella and Hawkes... I just dont see the chemistry, Im not against it. I think they would be cute... but that whole hug thing at the end seemed very forced.
Just me though.
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IMO, THAT hug was not forced. It looked very genuine to me. Aside from the hug that Flack gave Stella in All Access, it's the only hug that didn't make me cringe. :rolleyes:

I was so happy to see the old Danny back! I didn't realize how much I missed that Danny until he was back on this episode. I'm also happy to see that they are still keeping things light between Danny and Lindsay. Maybe they'll just forget about them. :(

I was totally shocked when Mac called Peyton "Claire". Didn't see that one coming. I really liked them together. Maybe they will work it out.

Edward Furlong plays an excellent bad guy. I was kinda hoping Shane Casey would escape again so he'd be back. I hope they work him into another storyline in the future.

I loved it when Mac went into the interrogation room to talk to Hawkes and locked the door and Flack defending him. Glad to see they've gotten over their issues.

Can't think of much else to say right now. I gave this an A.
 
A+, amazing episode. I was sitting at the edge of my seat throughout the episode. First I was like "I know it's not Hawkes... He's being framed!... OH MY GOD-- IT'S SHANE CASEY." :lol: I knew from the beginning that he wasn't the killer. Besides Hawkes is a genius, if he did kill someone, he would have covered it up much better.

I was glad that they finally got Peyton off. :) Sorry for her fans... but Mac doesn't really seem that into her and I like how TPTB are now sorting Mac's past out.

I also liked how they haven't completely abandoned Danny's brother and I liked it when Danny said things back to the captain and then Stella's reaction was great. The best thing about CSI: NY is the interaction between characters that shows how much they care for one another. :D

Excellent episode and they hid Anna's pregnancy much better. :lol: Oh and I found the scene where she was staring into her tea and Danny was standing by the fridge quite funny. :D
 
Staying quiet was the shrewdest move Flack could have made. Getting into a pissing contest with his captain in front of other cops would have gotten him yanked from the case at the very least, and most likely disciplined.
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True enough, and not speaking might have been wise, but there didn't even seem to be a hint of an expression on his face that showed conflicted feelings. Eddie can do so much with a single expression, and for Flack to just stand there watching the scene as though it were mildly interesting was...off to me.

Later on Flack made a point of getting between the Captain and Mac and asking to handle it (in the middle of the precinct with a lot of people looking on). Why get involved then and not before (in a less busy crime scene)?

He can't help Hawkes riding a desk.
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I'd say being a murder suspect in Rikers with damning evidence against him is far more serious than 'riding a desk.' ;) I can't see Flack, being the kind of guy he is, just shrugging it off when someone he knows is innocent is suspected of a crime like that. Of course, I'm just assuming that Flack wouldn't believe Hawkes would kill someone. He's made mention of 'good old fashioned motive' before, and what possible motive could Sheldon have to commit that crime?

It's more than possible that he didn't make a peep at the crime scene because he knew the severity of the situation and wanted to make sure he was part of the group that proved Sheldon's innocence (particularly if general opinion was that Sheldon was guilty). However, I still would have expected some sort of reaction to show on his face...

And as you pointed out, maybe his decision to stay quiet speaks volumes about how his and Danny's friendship stands post-COTP. Maybe he's tired of sticking his neck out for the nerds and not getting mutual trust and respect in turn.
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Hmm, that's a possibility. But I'm stubborn. :lol: I still think that, while he might have decided not to say anything and put himself in the line of fire, there should have been a sign from him in that scene. He may not have heard the bit about 'beating' Danny, but as one of his friends wouldn't he have any kind of reaction to the accusation that Danny committed a felony at some point?...(I'm assuming that Danny hasn't committed a felony, of course.)

It could be as simple as the fact that Flack was just playing pretty scenery that time and wasn't part of the dialogue, therefore wasn't supposed to be involved in any way--but I would have hoped that the character would show some presence even if he's just in the background.
 
Faylinn said:

When Captain What's-his-name made the comment about 'science geeks with a penchant for committing felonies' (or something similar), I had to rewind and listen again. Now, I don't think Danny could have become a cop in the first place if he committed a felony (although I'm not entirely sure on that one), but I'm thinking that maybe he was suspected of being involved at some point maybe...could it have something to do with him bailing Louie out, as he said at the end? When he was talking to Shane, the line about how you tell yourself that 'he couldn't do this, not this' (again, not an exact quote) stood out to me. So maybe he tried to keep Louie out of trouble when he did something serious? Maybe that was tantamount to being involved to some of the cops...I'm very curious about Louie's past, and just how involved Danny was with him...
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I think the captain might have been refering to when Danny was a suspect in a murder investigation involving the Tanglewood boys in Run Silent, Run Deep. That's the episode where they found Danny's DNA on a cigarette in the grave of murdered guy. Even though Danny was found innocent, the captain might think he's trouble. It is also possible Danny got in to some trouble when he was younger as you stated.
 
I thought about the "RSRD" situation after I posted before, and it's possible that's what it refers to...at the time, I thought about Mac hiring Danny after he'd 'committed' the felony, but it could also be referring to Mac having people working under him who end up on the other side of the interrogation room table...Very good point. ;)
 
I thought the exact same thing, that the Captain was referring to Danny being under suspicion in RSRD. And it also sounded like somewhere down the line he developed a prejudice against our favorite young hothead, and he's enough of a pill not to let go of it. :lol:
 
True enough, and not speaking might have been wise, but there didn't even seem to be a hint of an expression on his face that showed conflicted feelings. Eddie can do so much with a single expression, and for Flack to just stand there watching the scene as though it were mildly interesting was...off to me.

Later on Flack made a point of getting between the Captain and Mac and asking to handle it (in the middle of the precinct with a lot of people looking on). Why get involved then and not before (in a less busy crime scene)?
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Mmm. I'm still not sure what he could have said or done in the first instance. If he makes a flap, it only escalates an already tense situation and creates a very hostile environment for him in his own precinct. Flack may not be book-smart like the CSIs, but I suspect he's very savvy when it comes to the personal politics in his own stationhouse. He certainly defused his Captain relatively quickly and with a minimum of shouting. I think he just decided to pick his spot, because as I said, he cannot help Hawkes if he-Flack-is riding a desk.

Sure, him blowing up at his captain would have made for great drama, but it would have been career suicide, not to mention out of character for a normally level-headed cop.
 
Ah, I misunderstood the 'riding the desk' comment. :lol: That makes a lot more sense. Silly Fay. :rolleyes:

Mmm. I'm still not sure what he could have said or done in the first instance.
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That's part of the reason why it bothers me, I think--what he did wasn't right or wrong, but there's nothing better I could think of as a way for him to have reacted...

Flack may not be book-smart like the CSIs, but I suspect he's very savvy when it comes to the personal politics in his own stationhouse.
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I think Flack's smarter than we give him credit for sometimes. He might not know all the long scientific names of things, but that's not to say he couldn't have learned them if he had become a CSI. ;) But what you say is very true, Flack is definitely a true-blue cop, and it's nice to see the distinction (since he sometimes seems to be just another member of the team, albeit the one who stands around with the notebook :lol:). Flack isn't just our favorite homicide detective, he's also clearly a well-respected member of the precinct. I don't think Captain Jim-Bob would have simmered down for just any young guy who got between him and Mac. This brings me to what someone said earlier about the Captain possibly knowing Flack Sr. That would definitely be an interesting bit of history to flesh out Flack's backstory...

Sure, him blowing up at his captain would have made for great drama
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It's not that I expected him to blow up at the guy, just that I found it strange that there was no reaction. I don't mean that he had to run to Danny's rescue, it's a grown man being talked down to by a higher-ranking officer, not the biggest deal. I just...*flail*...look uncomfortable or something, observe the situation like you're more than just the pretty in the background. Maybe I didn't look at him closely enough in that scene, but it's bugging me more than it should. :lol:
 
Faylinn said:
I thought about the "RSRD" situation after I posted before, and it's possible that's what it refers to...at the time, I thought about Mac hiring Danny after he'd 'committed' the felony, but it could also be referring to Mac having people working under him who end up on the other side of the interrogation room table...Very good point. ;)
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I think that's exactly what he was referring to. Let's not forget Danny shoot that undercover cop in "On the Job" and there's still a shadow over that shooting and how exactly it went down, then in RSRD he's suspected of murder, I'd say this gives enough material to an obnoxious Captain to say what he said.

Also, I thought his "Someday, I'm gonna beat some sense into that kid" comment was kind of foreshadowing. Hopefully, it'll lead up to something.
 
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