Grade 'Raising Shane'

I totally enjoyed this episode. Besides the fact that Hill got a nice story, I liked how they connected it with psycho boy. It was cool to see them connect the two murders. I didn't do too bad figuring this one out. Yeah Hawkes!!!!!!!!
 
La_Guera said:
All I can say is: Jesus on a turbo-charged feminine people-pleaser with optional heat and massage.

What was Flack supposed to do? Honestly? Get into a pissing match with his captain in front of fellow officers and land himself in hot water? According to him, he's already on shaky ground with his fellow cops after the Truby debacle that Mac handled oh-so-tactfully, and waving his wang at his captain over a petty, juvenile insult would do him no favors.
Click to expand...

It's called continuity. Flack has a history of defending the CSIs, especially Danny. He's usually the cool head in most situations, and is usually the one to step in if something is getting heated. (This is one of the reasons Flack getting hot under the collar in the preview for "Sweet Sixteen" was so surprising, and that it was so disappointing that that scene apparently was cut--it was unusual.) No one is "blaming" Flack for not stepping in--just noticing that it's curious that he didn't.

And what is Danny, a shrinking violet that needs defending? Danny isn't some helpless, hand-wringing victim. He's an adult and a cop who is fully capable of speaking on his own behalf. He's not crippled or mentally deficient. Why should Flack charge in to defend his besmirched honor, particularly since Danny wasn't exactly Friend of the Year insofar as we know after COTP?
Click to expand...

Flack has a history of treating Danny as something of a "shrinking violet." Right or wrong, Flack has jumped to Danny's defense in "On the Job," basically stood guard over him in "Run Silent, Run Deep," and managed to make sure he went into the dangerous situation first in "Live or Let Die" even though Danny was initially ahead of him. All observations from what was on screen.

You know why Flack said nothing? Because he knows how and when to pick his battles, and because he respects Danny enough not to insult him by wiping his ass for him when Danny didn't ask for it. By using his Please, Sir Card with the Captain to keep Mac out of the hooscow, he served Hawkes and the CSIs better than he would have had he mounted a useless charge at an imaginary windmill.
Click to expand...

And yes, I think this is exactly why the writers didn't have Flack step in for Danny--because they knew he was going to later for Mac. It's still not wrong to point out that it was odd that he didn't jump to Danny's defense when in the past, he's always been particularly protective of Danny.

As for Peyton, I'm glad to see she's back in the next episode. I think what happened between her and Mac could have been seen as a break up, but I hope it's not. I like them together, but if they are going to end it, I'd like to see a little more resolution.
 
Anyone catch now TV Guide jeered CSI NY and one other show because this ep and the other show's ep were apparently very similar?
 
^^Yes, I caught that!!
I think I actually mentioned it in the spoiler thread a while ago, when there were spoilers for this episode and the criminal minds episode..but yes, I noticed it :D
 
MacsGirlMel said:
Anyone catch now TV Guide jeered CSI NY and one other show because this ep and the other show's ep were apparently very similar?
Click to expand...

The show was "Criminal Minds," and this is what the article read:

Jeers to Criminal Minds and CSI: NY for proceeding with disressingly similar storylines. CBS' Wednesday dramas both recently featured episodes in which African-American male squad members were accused of murder. Ofcourse, NY's Sheldon (Hill Harper) and Mind's Derek (Shemar Moor) were proven innocent, but these shows are guilty of lacking orginality.
Click to expand...

I personally think the episode "Raising Shane" was fine and somewhat different than the 'Minds' episode. Same take, but they took them differently. :)
 
I watched both and while they were a bit the same (two African American main characters wrongly arrested) they were also very different.

They were both great episodes.
 
I noticed the similarity too but it's not the first time something like this happens. I think the only reason it stood out is because they aired so close to each other. This said, we're talking about two really good episodes and two actors who did a great job. :)
 
I thought both were excellent episodes in their own right, and besides the fact that two main characters were wrongly accused of murder, it didn't even occur to me the first time watching them, that there was "another" similarity, the one that TV Guide seemed the most distressed with - that it was two African American men. I didn't dwell on that aspect at all; only that it was two damn good, well written storylines carried out by two damn good sets of actors. Hmmmm...on that note, both Cath (Vegas) and Natalia (Miami) had problems with cheating, slightly creepy ex husbands. And they're two female leads. Is that lacking originality, too? Or...hey, how about Calleigh and Sofia, two hot blonds who like guns? Or Alexx from Miami and Ducky from NCIS, two MEs who talk to the corpses? (A quirk that was highlighted years earlier on the brilliant Canadian crime drama "Da Vinci's Inquest" - Dom Da Vinci, the coroner, talked to his corpses, too. Does that mean Miami & NCIS copied that show?) Or Grissom from CSI and Goren from L&O Criminal Intent, two good looking older men, loners, highly intelligent, mysterious, and very quirky personalities? Were both shows unoriginal in developing those characters?

Yeah yeah, I know, I'm carrying it a bit too far. But it pissed me off a wee bit, when I read that Jeer in TV Guide. Can you tell? :lol:
 
^I do think the way the female main characters on the CSI shows are constantly portrayed as being victimized and/or making bad choices in love is a troubling trend, and yeah, somewhat lacking in originality.

But Hawkes and the guy on Criminal Minds having similar storylines? It seems like CBS maybe should have had one of the shows alter its schedule a bit so that they didn't air right on top of each other, but aside from that, I'm not sure what could have been done. I haven't seen the CM episode, but Hawkes being framed for murder didn't have to do with his race, but with the fact that Shane Casey had a vendetta against him over his brother's conviction. I wonder if the TV Guide person who wrote that actually watched the episodes in question.
 
Top41, I wondered the same thing. Did the writers even know that they were creating a storyline that was similar to another? Obviously the two shows had no idea, I honestly believe that. Why would CM & CSI NY both knowingly create a storyline exactly the same? I seriously think that both shows had similar (fantastic) ideas. Great stuff? Oh, yeah. Copying eachother? Mmmmmmm, no. Honestly, I think that more than one show can come up with the idea of a main character being under the gun - whether or not they're African American or not. And I honestly think that it's a wee bit insulting that TV Guide suggested differently.
 
And if you think about the characters from "Criminal Minds," which of the others could you believably place in that position? Granted, I haven't seen the episode yet, but I don't think anybody would believe that Reid, for example, was the one with some sort of criminal involvement. :rolleyes:

Sometimes it only involves race because people make it that way.
 
Top41 said:
But Hawkes and the guy on Criminal Minds having similar storylines? It seems like CBS maybe should have had one of the shows alter its schedule a bit so that they didn't air right on top of each other, but aside from that, I'm not sure what could have been done. I haven't seen the CM episode, but Hawkes being framed for murder didn't have to do with his race, but with the fact that Shane Casey had a vendetta against him over his brother's conviction. I wonder if the TV Guide person who wrote that actually watched the episodes in question.
Click to expand...

RE: Shane Casey, we knew something like going after Hawkes/Shane returning would happen after "Hung out to Dry." It's been a continuing storyline, unlike Criminal Minds episode.
 
^True. And like MB said, they're two different shows. It's not like CSI and CSI: NY ran the same storyline. Presumably the only communication between CM and CSI: NY is at the executive level at the network.
 
I totally agree Top, there's no way TPTB of CM & CSI NY, on a base level, would have even known about similar storylines, it's not as though both shows are Jerry Bruckheimer productions. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am at TV Guide for casting aspersions, especially bringing in the African American Male bit. As others have said, in both cases, it made the most sense for those particular characters to have that kind of storyline. No one would swallow young niave Reid or even Gideon from CM being accused of murder, and Hawkes was the ME in the already-ongoing serial killer storyline, which already set up his endangerment long before the CM episode was even penned. I just think that TV Guide unnecessarily played the race card in this instance, which is tacky.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top