Grade 'People With Money'

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The things I did catch though, was that Det. Angell is Aiden and Maka all rolled up into one.
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I caught that too, and she even looks a little like Aiden. I caught a bit on the Eastern Channels and actually thought it was (for about a second).

Lindsay is just as annoying as she was before. Can we bring back the why she must go thread? Five minutes of her is enough.

To whoever said no self respecting British family would call their kid Payton: I know someone who did. Thats like saying no self respecting person would name their kid Eugene, or Samuel. Just because YOU don't like the name doesn't make it wrong. Personal preference.

And wasn't there supposed to be some huge DL moment? Either I missed it or the writers were hit with a brick full of common sense. Thank god.

I haven't Graded it yet, because I haven't seen all of it yet. I'll probably watch the second episode and decide from that; its generally where the season starts getting good or goes completely downhill. From what I saw, however, I'd give it a C.
 
Well, I finally rewatched it, so now I have lots more to say. :devil: Prepare yourselves. If you thought I wrote a novel before, look what I write when I've actually concentrated on the whole episode. :lol:

From the beginning:

The Mac and Peyton thing at the beginning: That wasn't titillating or anything...but I did like that Mac was sort of awkward about accepting her compliments on his cooking abilities. :lol: Of course, she was kind of talking like she was this sex kitten or something...maybe it was just me. :lol:

Flack and the women? How adorable was that? He was all 'oh, yeah, you know *waves it off*' to them. :lol: That was hilarious. What man wouldn't take advantage of that? :lol: But you could tell he was really excited to be back on the job. I assume that in later episodes we'll get more recognition of the negative psychological effects of the bombing. :)

I still loved the scene with Flack, Stella and Lindsay. I thought it did a good job of showing that they were all friendly with each other. :)

When Peyton arrived, I thought it was kind of awkward...did anybody else think she was acting a bit out of it? Like she was half-asleep or drugged or something? :confused:

The first time around, I didn't hear Hawkes' 'wings' comment, but this time I heard it all too well--looks like the writers haven't gotten past writing some clunkers. :rolleyes: There were some bad ones last season, and this one is right up there with them. Let's hope they are the exception rather than the rule. :lol: Of course, I suppose it could also be considered sort of cute, particularly if the good doctor has a little crush on her. ;) :lol: But I bet she hates all of the angel comparisons, I know I would. :p

I noticed that Flack was ready to get right back into his normal snarky tone with the father on the roof. Did you see how quickly he started to walk forward and tell the dad what's what? :lol: Somebody enjoys the snark too much, m'boy. :lol: But then, can there be too much snark from Flackie? :p

I loved the conversation between Hawkes and Hammerback. I missed it the first time around (darn chatting :lol:), but I was laughing my ass off this time. Hawkes had one eyebrow up and I loved when he was like 'are we done?' :lol: Ready to go so soon, Sheldon? :lol:

When Danny and Angel were walking to talk to the LSD guy, I was just struck by their prettiness. :lol: This show is so full of pretty people. :lol: And when Danny picked the guy's bag up and accidentally dumped it out? That was great. :p

Ok, somebody has to get me screencaps of Danny interrogating that Clarence Rose person. Can you say fang!porn?! :devil:

Can I just say that I love when Adam offerred to get the information on the prescription? Danny was like 'dude, it's too much' and Adam's all 'yeah, so?...' :lol: I adore Adam, but someone needs to tame that beard. *gazes longingly at her avvie* :p

I just realized when rewatching it that 'the bungee sex ho' as I've decided to refer to her, was with a different guy both times we saw her. :rolleyes: Plus, in the second scene, when Mac grabbed the guy's arm, the camera thing kind of made me nauseous. :(

When the bodyguard was talking about the dead girl and it showed the flashback? That 'take your prize' line was lame and horribly delivered. :rolleyes: But I love that Danny was just sort of like, 'what will these people think of next?' :p

Was Lindsay trying to beat the computer putting the check together? :lol: It kind of looked like it to me. :p

Missed the silhouette thing the first time around--yeah, riiiight. :rolleyes: Because they could zoom in that much and get that much detail. :rolleyes: But, it's tv, so I should know better. ;)

Damn, Danny looked HOT in that button-up shirt. *drools* :lol:

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Ok, now that I've gotten that off my chest, I can comment on other things said in this thread. ;)

I don't really see the big deal about Stella's makeup. I read about it in here, but I forgot to look at it when I was rewatching the episode--so it must not have jumped out at me. I don't understand why people find it worth mentioning...Her boobs showing, yeah, but her makeup?... :confused:

Angell--Er, I still don't see the big deal. Does the 'clone' description come from the way she looks or the way she acts? Would people be happier if she had blonde hair and blue eyes? I really don't see the significance of her appearance. And as for the attitude, every character on this show has one, don't they? I really like Angell so far. :)

As for Angell's character, she's not meant to be a main character or anything. I don't understand why it's a big deal that she's just like the other detectives that have come and gone over the first 2 seasons--that's who she's replacing, after all. And as for taking time away from Flack, I don't see where that comes from. The show generally has two cases, and Flack's only going to be the detective in one of them, so if the other case has a detective, they need another character. *shrug*

As for Lindsay, I didn't think she was annoying or anything. I think she was in the lab a lot--it seemed like she was always either running a test or telling Mac and Stella what the results were. Personally, not being a huge fan of the character, I didn't mind that she wasn't there much. She was so sure that the girlfriend did it, but various characters have done the same thing before, so I don't see the big deal there. And Mac told her what he told Danny when he did the same thing (during season one, don't remember the exact episode)--find the evidence. And she didn't seem upset or abashed that she was wrong. She just reported that the evidence didn't support her assumption.

I'm kind of surprised that people were upset at the lack of a Danny/Lindsay scene. There was really no reason for them to interact, being on different cases. Why not be upset at the lack of Flack and Hawkes talking, or Mac and Danny having a chat? It's the same thing, except that people have come to expect a D/L scene in every episode. *shrug*

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I think that's all for now. :lol: I still loved the episode, and I stand by my A+ grade. I'm easy, what can I say? :lol:

I'm also looking forward to the rest of the season. Yeah, there are some things that could be tweaked to make the show better, but I'm going to hope for the best. ;)

Edit: Oh, and about the 'huge D/L moment'--was it specifically said that there would be a huge shippy moment, or is this simply the interpretation of some spoilers? In either case, I think that's a topic best discussed over in the spoiler thread. ;)
 
First off, Happy Birthday, chelliyah!

Second, I just wanted to say that I really wasn't impressed with the first episode of this season. I actually found it rather boring. The cases were semi-interesting, but I thought that they could have been better. Last year's premiere was a lot better in my opinion.

I do have to admit, I was impressed with Peyton. I didn't think I would like her because I'm a big Mac/Stella fan, but she seems like an interesting character. And I really would have liked to hear more about Flack. I mean, he did get blown up last season, and they only had a tiny scene explaining his condition. I think it would have been better to hear a little more detail about his recovery.

I'm really looking forward to next week's episode.
 
OK..I TOTALLY HOPE IM NOT GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR THIS..BUT ITS MY OPINION!


i gave it a C- ok..this may make some of you REALLY ANGRY but im posting my opinoin..This eps. brought me back to s1..where it was the darker CSINY and they had Aiden..ok..for one..i love the Darker feel..ive always loved that..but then it seemed like everyone was in a lighter mood {???} very confused..and while im on the subject of Aiden..Det. Angell..is not Aiden..NOTE TO TPTB..DET. ANGELL IS NOT AIDEN..AIDEN IS DEAD..LEAVE HER TO BE!!! I didnt like how they brought someone in who looked AND acted like Aiden..was it to see how Danny would react...DUDE WTF?!?! she called him 'Messer' the entire time. WTF?!?!

i loved the hawkes/hammerback scene

the begining was pretty cool, like when everyone arrived.

DANNY WAS HOT..i was eating ice cream and it started to melt

it felt like the 4th or 5th..the season preimer has to make you feel..REALLY AWSOME.the day after and i just feel like .."wow..it could of been so much better."


NO D/L..WTF?!?!?!
Mac/payton..i dont think im gonna be a shipper for them

Det. Angell..there was already not enough Flack the way it was...so they Bring in a NEW DETECTIVE...wow....thats stupid.

the way the made lindsay..it was like..she was...needy or something..i love her to bits ..but..not in this eps

the computer with the window thing with the guy..TOTALLY NOT EVEN REAL!!!


ok so there were pros..and cons..always is..but the cons kinda seem to outweigh..lets hope next week it the money..
Allie
 
Well, after the excitement of the premiere has wound down a bit, I can finally gather my thoughts and write something about it.

The Good:
Flack's back! I was so happy to see him back and all in one piece. And I thought the exchange between him and Lindsay about how many numbers he got was too funny. I also liked that Stella seemed really concerned about Flack. She and Flack seem to share some connection, and they are both always the ones making sure their teammates are ok.

On a shallow note, I love Danny's shorter haircut. Rawr!

The Bad:
The cases were only so-so, nothing earth shattering. Also, I was annoyed that so little attention was paid to Flack, aside from a little mention at the beginning, that was the end. Det. Angell wasn't horrible, but I would've rather seen Flack doing double duty, they need to give his character more screen time.

The Ugly:
Mac and Peyton, I'm sorry, but I'm just not feeling it. I was gleeful for a moment at the end when I thought Mac might come to his senses, but then I was rudely thrust back into reality. Also, I'm a bit sick of cases about stoned, rich party girls and the trouble they get themselves into. This goes for all the CSI's. I've always found the cases about the everyday person to be much more endearing.

The episode next week, however, looks AWESOME!! I can't wait. I'm hoping that we'll get to see more of Flack and gain some more insight into his feelings since "COTP". Also, Danny freaking out over Lindsay in danger, that should be fun to watch.
 
Woo! Just watched the episode!

And I regret to say, I was really disappointed.

I won't touch on the cases, since many posters have already stated what I felt about them (the negative points, unfortunately). I'll just point out some things about the episode in general.

- Is it just me, or does everyone look old and tired? And I mean everyone. Flack has an excuse, at least. In fact, out of the entire cast, and him having just gotten blown up a while ago ... he looked the best! I can't believe I'm going to say this either, but Lindsay looked great too. She was all lively and fresh. Which is very weird for me to say, trust me. :p Danny appeared really worn out to me when he first appeared in the episode. And Hawkes with the clean cut? Boy, it's gonna take me some time to get used to that. He was hot with the goatee! What gives? I'm not too sure why people are complaining about Stella's makeup and clothes. :lol: I thought she looked fine. She bared more last season. ;)

- I'm sorry, all I could think of whenever Peyton came on screen was, "... Cheek implants?" As for her accent, I can understand why people might find it irritating after a while. I lived in London before, and honestly, I've never heard anyone talk like she did. Maybe she was overdoing the I'm Mac's sex kitten! act. Her character almost seems like ... Mr. Sinise was sitting there thinking, "Gee, I'm the producer now. That means I get to bring in hot-looking women and kiss them on screen. Whee!" :p

- Det. Angell? Sorry, man, she'll never replace Aiden. I didn't think she was flirting with Danny or Hawkes at all. The way she said her lines, it seemed more like she was bored to death, especially the balls line. Why is this character needed since Flack is back? He needed more screen time, damnit! A couple of minutes does not constitute as good screen time! Gggrrr.

- Hawkes and Hammerback. The only moment in the whole episode where I actually laughed. Quick, somebody write Hawkes/Hammerback now! :eek: They sounded like an old, married couple or something, what with Hawkes saying what he did. :lol:

- Stella's line when Lindsay was proving the tie-dynamite-transfer thing was what made the whole scene very ... corny. I don't know how to explain it. It somehow cheapened Lindsay's character. I dunno, something about it didn't rub right with me.

- And lastly, to touch on the scientific side of things ... the face profile match to that black blob of a person in their photograph? Incredibly unrealistic. Considering how grainy and blurry the blob would be, seeing the size of the photograph and how tiny the person would be ... just blah. The chances of that black blob matching the murderer was one in a billion or something!

So, yeah. Wasn't impressed.
 
I was just thinking back to last year's season premiere... it wasn't my favorite episode of the season by far. There was no real cliffhanger to pick up on from last season, so the story line was kinda same old-same old.

Also, they had Stella in much more revealing tops at the beginning of the last season. So I'm hoping that as the weather gets colder (you know, in tv land) that they'll cover her up a little. I agree with you Kimmychu that it made her look a little too old, plus her makeup. And I like the new scruffy Danny look, but I think it makes him look older too.... and Gary, well, as Mrs.G likes to point out, he's pretty much geriatric. ;) At least he seemed to hold his own with Peyton age-wise. Even though I don't like that relationship AT ALL.

But I don't think Angell is taking Flack screen time. She's just taking the place of Maka and Vicaro and all the other minor detective characters from previous seasons. As much as I like her, I don't think she'll develop into a major character.

I coulda used more Adam time.... Flack had some classic lines too... "I think she means vitamins." Loved it! :lol:
 
I just have to say that I LOVE your banner, FlackAttack!!! Flack is my favorite too and that is just too cool. I'm trying to get a portrait in the works of Danny and Don since I am a D/F shipper but so far it just isn't ready to get done yet. Hopefully soon, because if it turns out it will be MY new banner!
 
I'm a little confused.. I dont' remember were the chick emt oh whats her name.... (thinking) oh yeah Payton came from??

Monroe or as danny calls her montana should have know not to jum p to conclusions... with out evidnce.(sp)

I don't know it wasn't all i had hoped for, for a season premiere. Hopefully next week will be good.:)
 
I'm giving the premiere a little B. I wasn't really impressed, but at least it was a lot better than the CSI: Miami premiere.

So far I'm not really into the new girls, Peyton and Angell. Peyton's (the actress who plays her) way of acting irritates me. And Angell just looks like Aiden. For now I hope they don't stay that long, but maybe I like them better next episode.

I'm glad Hammerback is back. He's the best. He's funny. I loved his interaction with Hawkes. Danny was hot as ever, although I've seen better angry scenes of him, then the one we had in this episode. Flack was really funny today and I love him much more this way, than lying almost dead in a bed. But I hope it's not the last we heard of it.
 
allieluv_csi, I'm sure you're not the only one who gave this episode a less-than-stellar grade, so I don't know why we'd be angry at your opinions. ;) But, of course, I might counter some of them. :p

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*blinks* Not to sound rude, but do people honestly think they created the Det. Angell character and cast the actress to be like Aiden? That's how it sounds, and I don't think you can convince me of that, short of showing me an interview with TPTB where they specifically say so. Yeah, she's an attractive woman with similar skin and hair color and a bit of an attitude--the attitude should be expected on this type of show. It's how they make women in those particular roles. Gotta have attitude to run with the big boys or whatever. :rolleyes: And as for the casting choice, I'm inclined to think that they just liked Emmanuelle out of all of the candidates. I can imagine someone commenting that she looks a bit like Vanessa, but do we really think they'd cast her because of that? *shakes head* I'm still trying to wrap my head around the constant 'she's not Aiden' comments. I mentioned before that if Angell delivers things that have been gone since Aiden left, that's fine with me--I wasn't saying that she was there to replace Aiden, so I hope that it didn't come across that way. And if they had created this character to be so much like Aiden so that we'd see how Danny would react, I would have expected Danny to react in some way beyond just being curious that she's not in the company of her boss.

To me, Det. Angell seemed like someone who is determined to do her job well, and getting a bit testy in the process. The way that Danny and Hawkes spoke to her initially seemed comfortable and friendly, and I think they expected the same in return. But this is Jennifer's first solo case, and I'm thinking she wanted to stay very professional and not screw anything up. I'd even venture to say she was a bit nervous, which makes people surly sometimes. We've only seen her in one episode, and it's hard to assume what a character is like all the time based on such limited exposure. Yes, she's a minor character, but the writers appear to have put some thought into her development.

And calling Danny 'Messer' doesn't strike me as odd--she's either going for professional or distant or both. Read into that what you will, but I just don't think it's strange. *shrug*

I think that this episode had a lot going on. They could have introduced Angell in the second or third episode to make the load a little lighter for the premiere, but would Flack really be the homicide detective on two cases? I think he did that in maybe one episode during the first season or something, and then I think he was just involved in the interrogation for the second case. I think it's even less reasonable to have him on both cases than to have a new detective. And honestly, the detectives never get a lot of screentime, so I'm not sure we'll ever see enough Flack to be satisfied with his presence in an episode. Besides, would they really assign him to two cases on his first day back from recovery? Not likely.

I would have liked to see more about his recovery, but if they addressed it all in the first episode, then what else can they explore? I like the idea that maybe he just seems peachy keen and raring to get back to work, but maybe a few episodes in we get an indication that all is not well in the land of Flackdom, that maybe he's having trouble dealing with the mental aspect of it, that he's having nightmares, etc.

I wouldn't say that Lindsay seemed needy--she seemed enthusiastic and dedicated, yes, but I can't quite grasp what is meant by her being 'needy.' :confused:

I have to agree with the call for more Adam time, although I don't know who they'd take it from to give to him. :lol: He's a great, quirky character, and I'm glad they gave him some nice little parts in the first episode. Hopefully this is an indication that he'll continue to be the main lab tech that the team consults. ;)

As for whether the cases were interesting or boring--I could hardly tell you, to be honest. I was so excited to get new episodes, to see new cases and new scenes and new dialogue, that I would have been happy with just about anything. It wasn't about having the most spectacular episode in CSI history--it was about having a good, solid episode with some continuity and good character interaction. Of course, that could just be me. ;) I'd rather have a whole season of good, solid episodes than a great premiere and substandard follow-ups. *shrug*

I have to admit, I'm confused by the way people are describiing this episode as returning to the 'darkness' of season one...what, exactly, does that mean?

Ok, I'm going to have to say it: We didn't get any Danny/Flack in this episode. My ship was totally neglected...See, kind of pointless. The spoilers indicate that Danny/Lindsay will be addressed, so why are so many people annoyed, surprised, or upset that we didn't have it in the very first episode of the season? There are 20-something episodes in a season of the show, I think we can handle a few without some form of shippy atmosphere surrounding two of the main characters who, needless to say, are CSIs and should be doing their jobs first and foremost.

That wasn't in response to a specific person's comment, just the fact that I keep seeing it stated.

As for the previews for next week: I'm looking forward to seeing Stella and Flack worried for Lindsay because, in addition to Danny, they work with her and are going to be there during this dangerous situation. I think I'm more interested in the team being concerned about a colleague and friend who is in trouble, rather than just seeing the lovestruck-boy-chases-his-girl angle. *cheesy music plays* I'm really hoping that, at some point, the writers realize that character development is not limited to romantic interaction.
 
Fay, maybe the reason that Danny was so testy in this episode, as some people have noted, was because he was away from Flack and a bit concerned about him. Even if you are not a D/F shipper, I think we can agree that these guys are friends onscreen. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Danny would be worried about his buddy. Just a thought. You know *I* have become a major D/F shipper, but I guess that belongs in the other thread! :p
 
Faylinn said:
As for Lindsay, I didn't think she was annoying or anything. I think she was in the lab a lot--it seemed like she was always either running a test or telling Mac and Stella what the results were. Personally, not being a huge fan of the character, I didn't mind that she wasn't there much. She was so sure that the girlfriend did it, but various characters have done the same thing before, so I don't see the big deal there. And Mac told her what he told Danny when he did the same thing (during season one, don't remember the exact episode)--find the evidence. And she didn't seem upset or abashed that she was wrong. She just reported that the evidence didn't support her assumption.
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I guess that's part of what bugged me--she wasn't bothered at all that she was wrong. I just felt it didn't sink in for her at all, like it's a big game to her. And thatI found highly annoying.

I remember how off base Danny was in season one when he went on his hunches, and I used to poke fun at the character for that. But, in Danny's case, it was always that he trusted the wrong person or had faith in the wrong person, not that he was trying to find evidence to put away someone who only circumstantially looked guilty. It made the character look naive (and I think in some ways, Danny is), but never callous. Lindsay seems willing to jump down people's throats regardless of whether they're actually guilty or not ("Super Men" and "Stealing Home" are two other examples of this).

As for Angell, I liked her. She's no-nonsense, and while she looks like Aiden, she clearly isn't just a redo of that character. I think she called the guys by their last names because she's tough and is trying to be respected.
 
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