Eric/Calleigh storyline -- why we dislike it. Part 2 **spoilers**

To be honest, there are some people who are trying and doing their best to make anything else even if they're bound to the the TV show. Jonathan Togo comes to my mind. He was supposed to play in the new "Spiderman" (a rather much more challeging experience than the movies/shows Adam played in)
I wasn't comparing any movies between the actors, I just made the point that Adam has had some decent roles and sucesses with I Can Do Bad, his latest movie Crossfire an older movie Love and Debate and he did get a very good response to Ugly Betty.

As for Adam he had a lot more chances than anyone else in the show, but I cannot say he has reached his goal......nope he hasn't reached it all....he will always be known as Eric Delko
I honestly feel that all of them will always be known for their characters on Miami after the show ends. It will be hard for me to watch David in anything else after as I will just see Horatio Caine and wait for a "sunglasses move", lol. The same goes for Emily. Before Miami people saw Emily as her character from the West Wing (sorry, I'm VERY bad with names!). After the show... I think it will be very hard to shake off Calleigh with fans and the media. I think the ones with the most potential will be Jon and Adam. Eddie's also had a fairly decent career and he certainly won't be cast as Jesse. Eva... I've only ever seen her in Third Watch and Miami, I haven't watched her career unfold like the others. But I also love her on Miami and again... majorly underused!

I don't believe Adam's "reached his goal either", but has any of the cast? I think David is pretty comfortable on the show so maybe he has, but who's to know for sure.

I didn't know about the Spiderman thing for Jon, thinking about it now and looking at how Jon looks, his pysique... he could easily be Spiderman! Far better than the previous Spiderman! I do love Jon on the show. He can do everything and portray it extremely well. It is a damn pity the writers don't use him more!

I'm sorry, maybe I should have created another thread for this! Back to Calleigh and Eric...
 
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To be honest, there are some people who are trying and doing their best to make anything else even if they're bound to the the TV show. Jonathan Togo comes to my mind. He was supposed to play in the new "Spiderman" (a rather much more challeging experience than the movies/shows Adam played in), but something came up and "bye bye Spiderman". He's also going to play a much more interesting indipendent movie, but nobody knows why we don't have anymore information on it....it is still entirely possible that movie was cancelled because of his contrac with Miami.

I personally see Jonathan Togo as one of those actors who is doing his best to try and find any possible experience that might give him the chance not to be typecast as Ryan Wolfe. It is difficult since he has a contract, but from a personal POV, I'd rather see him leave the show and finally be able to fulfil his desire...which is not to be typecast as Ryan Wolfe. No actor would want to be typecast.
The movie is still a go,they finished filming in early July right before Miami resumed shooting.I read just this week that there is post production and sound editing going on. The movie will have Ed Asner as well.Indie movies don't get the publicity that they need,probably because of limited resources.
They are sometimes hard to keep up with and have limited theater releases,some even go straight to DVD.
Oh thank you so much for this. I was truely going to think they actually cancelled it :thumbsup:. Oh well I know how it is hard for indie movies to get resources so I will be glad once I'll watch this movie...yep 'cause I'm so curious about it :lol:

I wasn't comparing any movies between the actors, I just made the point that Adam has had some decent roles and sucesses with I Can Do Bad, his latest movie Crossfire an older movie Love and Debate and he did get a very good response to Ugly Betty.
Well I beg to differ from your opinion, but since this is not the place to talk about Adam's career I guess we won't talk about it in here ;)

I think the ones with the most potential will be Jon and Adam.
If Adam had left for good, as he actually was supposed to do, I would have agreed with you. But he came back and he has no chance left at the moment :p

I don't believe Adam's "reached his goal either", but has any of the cast? I think David is pretty comfortable on the show so maybe he has, but who's to know for sure.
I don't want to offend anybody, but at least David is old enough to afford such a thing. I mean he's 54 years old ;P ....he hasn't much career left to be known for other possible roles than Horatio Caine. Though I still think most of his fans knew him even from NYPD ;).
The others are way too young to be able do such a thing.
 
To be honest, there are some people who are trying and doing their best to make anything else even if they're bound to the the TV show. Jonathan Togo comes to my mind. He was supposed to play in the new "Spiderman" (a rather much more challeging experience than the movies/shows Adam played in), but something came up and "bye bye Spiderman". He's also going to play a much more interesting indipendent movie, but nobody knows why we don't have anymore information on it....it is still entirely possible that movie was cancelled because of his contrac with Miami.

I personally see Jonathan Togo as one of those actors who is doing his best to try and find any possible experience that might give him the chance not to be typecast as Ryan Wolfe. It is difficult since he has a contract, but from a personal POV, I'd rather see him leave the show and finally be able to fulfil his desire...which is not to be typecast as Ryan Wolfe. No actor would want to be typecast.

The problem is to be typecast as an actor, you need to be "seen" as the character in a big way. That's not happening to Togo, La Rue, or Linn, as they are RARELY seen.

I would agree that typecasting will probably be a huge problem for Caruso, Procter and Rodriguez.

And I'm HUGELY disappointed that Togo was supposed to be the new Spiderman and it's not happening. I didn't know that. He would have been perfect!

The movie is still a go,they finished filming in early July right before Miami resumed shooting.I read just this week that there is post production and sound editing going on. The movie will have Ed Asner as well.Indie movies don't get the publicity that they need,probably because of limited resources.

They are sometimes hard to keep up with and have limited theater releases,some even go straight to DVD.

Oh thank you so much for this. I was truely going to think they actually cancelled it :thumbsup:. Oh well I know how it is hard for indie movies to get resources so I will be glad once I'll watch this movie...yep 'cause I'm so curious about it :lol:

I'm watching for it too, Flo. Togo is a very talented actor and I'd love to see him in other things.

I don't believe Adam's "reached his goal either", but has any of the cast? I think David is pretty comfortable on the show so maybe he has, but who's to know for sure.

I truly doubt that Caruso's ever been comfortable with a role if by "comfortable" you mean he's become complacent and is just treading water and doing his time. A lot of things can be said about him, and certainly have, but being a lazy actor simply isn't true.

I don't want to offend anybody, but at least David is old enough to afford such a thing. I mean he's 54 years old ;P ....he hasn't much career left to be known for other possible roles than Horatio Caine. Though I still think most of his fans knew him even from NYPD ;).

The others are way too young to be able do such a thing.

I think he spends so much of his time focused on his little ones and his business ventures, I doubt he's thinking about dealing with the type casting that Horatio has left him with.

And seriously, who does he have to blame for that? Himself. To me it appeared that making Horatio and iconic character was his goal. Goal achived - big time!

But David has enough of an acting history and it's clear he's capable of much more than Horatio. I would also think that he could jump start his own projects at this point if he found a script that was of interest to him because of his "senior" status ;) and he also seems to have quite the head for business.

The others may not yet have the longevity and resume that affords them the ability to feel secure. That's true. So it could end up a struggle to move past CSI Miami once it's over.

(And I'm one who was aware of Caruso before NYPD Blue. Knew who David Duchovny was before The X-Files, too! ;))

Personally, I believe that Procter and Rodriguez are going to have a very hard time not only shaking the characters Calleigh and Eric, but the less than stellar job they've done in the last couple of years acting those characters.

They and their characters are in a horribly tired rut. Everything is pedictable and it shows in their performances. To me they not only appear bored, but struggling to keep their characters alive at this point. There doesn't seem to be much of an effort to break out of the constraints this nomance has placed on their characters. Eric screaming and carrying on and Calleigh on her death bed seems to be the only thing they've become capable of doing - and so the writers keep serving up the same, tired crap and the look tired acting it.
 
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And I'm HUGELY disappointed that Togo was supposed to be the new Spiderman and it's not happening. I didn't know that. He would have been perfect!
Jonathan wasn't going to be Spiderman ,but you're right,he would have been perfect.
He was going to play a villian (a serpent or snake person or something) and I would have loved to see him play a part that different.
 
greatfan- Oh, that's too bad for Jon. I'm sure he could have pulled off a stellar performance like he always does on Miami :)

Urgh, we've had the fifth episode in Miami- first I was rolling my eyes at how wonder boy Eric has two bullets to the head and is A-OK, but then I actually laughed when Eric escorted the bf away from his gf cause he was getting in the doctors way. Watching Backfire afterwards (huuuge mistake) I have to ask; major hypocrisy much?
 
Adam Rodriguez was recently quoted as saying he will, Ride it until the wheels come off.

Wheels? WHeels? Does this train still have wheels? I thought they fell off in Brazil.:guffaw:
 
Adam Rodriguez was recently quoted as saying he will, Ride it until the wheels come off.

Wheels? WHeels? Does this train still have wheels? I thought they fell off in Brazil.:guffaw:
The whole train derailed a long time ago, but no one has been able to see it yet. I know I'm kind of boring, but the show lost 3 out of 4 wheels in the middle of s5 when they let a man with a fried brain survive and come back to work as if anything had ever happened. If they were ever to see what they've done to this show only to create a fictional couple, I cannot even imagine what would happen :lol:

Seriously, lately the guy has been giving too many crappy and, at the same time, funny metaphors to the whole show & the romance that he's making me laugh out loud.

The "prodigal son" one must be the best and the most-fitting I've ever heard about the guy :shifty:
 
The whole train derailed a long time ago, but no one has been able to see it yet. I know I'm kind of boring, but the show lost 3 out of 4 wheels in the middle of s5 when they let a man with a fried brain survive and come back to work as if anything had ever happened. If they were ever to see what they've done to this show only to create a fictional couple, I cannot even imagine what would happen :lol:

Both you and Bill are right, Flo! This train wrecked 3 1/2 seasons ago when this sorry nomance was pushed into overdrive and allowed to consume the show.

And you are NEVER boring my dear! ;)

Seriously, lately the guy has been giving too many crappy and, at the same time, funny metaphors to the whole show & the romance that he's making me laugh out loud.

The "prodigal son" one must be the best and the most-fitting I've ever heard about the guy :shifty:

His interviews have taken on an interesting vib, haven't they. I sense a whole lot less enthusiasm for where his character has ended up as a result of corrupting him to get him into the nomance ... and a desire on his part to fix it. I also get a sense that he knows leaving was a huge mistake and he's aware that a lot of fans aren't too thrilled with his return.

I wish I could care, but I don't. I'm not happy at all that he's returning perrmanently. I think it just allows the writers to keep being lazy. The spoilers for episode 4 are a prime example. A return to the same tired old stories. Nothing new here. :rolleyes:
 
And you are NEVER boring my dear! ;)

I agree; Flo you are never boring:thumbsup: Because the truth is never boring either.:lol:

His interviews have taken on an interesting vib, haven't they. I sense a whole lot less enthusiasm for where his character has ended up as a result of corrupting him to get him into the nomance ... and a desire on his part to fix it. I also get a sense that he knows leaving was a huge mistake and he's aware that a lot of fans aren't too thrilled with his return.

I think he had his eyes opened when he realised a good deal of the fan base wasn't on board with this mess of a storyline. As I stated earlier, an actor worth his or her salt isn't going to want their whole existance based on one poorly written, forced storyline that is seemingly turning off more fans all the time.

I wish I could care, but I don't. I'm not happy at all that he's returning perrmanently. I think it just allows the writers to keep being lazy. The spoilers for episode 4 are a prime example. A return to the same tired old stories. Nothing new here. :rolleyes:

After watching the season 8 eppies with and without him, I am inclined to agree. AR represents a return to same old same old. Great for the writers who want the take the path of least resistance but bad for the fans of any character other than E/C.

Why do I see the lastest spoilers as a attempt to shove another E/C dramatic moment down our throats? See Calleigh in danger. See Eric save her. See a cutesy pooh E/C moment. Please.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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And you are NEVER boring my dear! ;)

I agree; Flo you are never boring:thumbsup: Because the truth is never boring either.:lol:
Thank you so much. It's always nice ot hear this especially when I know people will say "oh here she comes again w/ the same old bullet in the brain story"....I know it may be boring 'cause it's been years I've been saying such a thing, but I know what I'm talking about and I know that it is crazy for a man with a bullet in the brain
1) to survive
2) to work
3) to dive
This is absoulutely insane, if you consider it all happened in a show named CSI....for what? Jut in the name of a fictional couple's love :rolleyes::rolleyes: thank but this isn't absolutely my cup of tea :rolleyes:


After watching the season 8 eppies with and without him, I am inclined to agree. AR represents a return to same old same old. Great for the writers who want the take the path of least resistance but bad for the fans of any character other than E/C.
My fav. episode so far is 8x04 "In Plane sight"....guess who wasn't in there???? Uh yeah Adam Rodriguez. There was what I call the team spirit.....some of the scenes were quite funny (whenever I think about Ryan & Jesse playing rock-paper-scissors I have to laugh out loud) some others were less funny, but in there I saw something really new especially between Ryan, Jesse & Walter.

I'm really sorry Jesse has to die because "the prodigal son" had to come back. Look what happened when he came back...they killed Rebecca and they made Stetler a heartless criminal/assassin/BOMBER :)scream:) for what???? Only to create some other useless drama for Eric & Calleigh.
No thanks, but I'd rather watch 8x04 a lot more times than watching Eric Delko and his old old stories......the last spoilers I've read confirm what my gut feeling has been telling me ever since I've learned about his return :rolleyes:
 
Flo,MiamiWolfe,Delynn (forgive me if I forget anyone else); need to copy and paste your assessments right into CBS feedback. You articulate so much of how I feel about this mess. Good job! :thumbsup:
 
Flo,MiamiWolfe,Delynn (forgive me if I forget anyone else); need to copy and paste your assessments right into CBS feedback. You articulate so much of how I feel about this mess. Good job! :thumbsup:

First of all, thank you.

Second...well I might inform you that I already did such a thing long long time ago. Yep I already sent a very negative and rather pissed off feedback to CBS right when the whole romance began. Though at the beginning I was quite curious to see how things would evolve, I've always been against this couple and, above all, I've always been against any fictional couple transforming or, better say, destroying a show like CSI.

I've always been against some couples on the whole franchise, but at least w/ them TPTB had the decency not to become that sloppy as ours tend to be when it comes to realism. Thanks tho the couple and to the lazy bones who write CSI:Miami we know everything but realism.

I'm not saying that a show has to be realistic (especially this kind of genre) b/c we're watching it for entertainment, but holy cow...no one can ever believe that people can survive and, above all, dive with a silver bullet in the brain.

Also, I seriously hope and pray that CSIs like Delko & Calleigh DO NOT exist in the real world. They're all but professional....I'd rather die than having any crime regarding one of my friends or relatives being investigated by the two of them. That would mean I'd be in jail for the rest of my life....for sure :lol:
Seriously, they (mainly Delko) are always investigating on things they shoulnd't investigate on....the *cough* shirnk case always comes to my mind. I always find my self ":wtf:" whenever I see Delko investigating on her murder. I also guess I don't even have to express my opinion on Calleigh reading Delko's personal file. Regardless of the whole concept of ethics the professional secret, I don't care whether Delko told her he didn't have any problem or not.....Calleigh Duquesuene and Eric Delktrosky shouldn't have read that crap!!!!! That paper should have caught on fire in Calleigh's hand.....I so would have preferred such a thing.

But, then again, Jake Berkley investigating on his drunk girlfriend, who shot in the middle of the street for no logical reason (probably she thought she was Sharon Stone in "The Quick and the Dead" :rolleyes::lol:), only to cover her ass...was the liar, drunk and violent boyfriend of the year. Man how I hated that storyline!!!!!
Oh well Eric Delktrosky is the angel of CSI:Miami....we're all insane whenver we think of defending an evil person like Jake instead of protecting his royalty or the "prodigal son" Eric Delko :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep I'm done rambling :lol:
 
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Totally hear what your saying, Florry. I'm so sick of CSI:Miami trying to make Eric out like the "golden boy" and Ryan out like the "fink" - and now they're even using Calleigh to do that :wtf: It's so unnerving to me that some e/c fans just can't "get" why we think E/C is ruining the show - these last few comments are just a few great examples. Since when is Calleigh into covering up and doing things the wrong way (ie: when they were going through the files of his shrink - completely UNETHICAL) - that totally rubbed me the wrong way. And why did Calleigh read Delko's file - makes her seem like a nosey snoop, since it had NO PERTANANCE to what they were investigating. She didn't even ask him - she just read it! :wtf: It was just sloppy writing by TPTB - as I've said before, their romance plays out like a bad fanfic.

I don't care if it's only a "short" scene or whatever - short scenes can be really powerful or can really ruin a show. All these "short" E/C scenes put together probably add up to more than they did on Ryan's personal life for the past five years. I used to like Calleigh a lot, and Eric was just "ok" to me (I hated his hypocritical and egotistical attitude), but now I can't stand either of them. I'm hoping somehow Cal can be redeemed, but now that Eric's (miraculously!) back full-time, I doubt that will happen.
 
Adam Rodriguez was recently quoted as saying he will, Ride it until the wheels come off.

Wheels? WHeels? Does this train still have wheels? I thought they fell off in Brazil.:guffaw:


The "prodigal son" one must be the best and the most-fitting I've ever heard about the guy :shifty:

Training wheels, maybe. I'm getting a sadistic vision of Adam Rodriguez wearing a party hat and riding around in circles on one of those red tricycles. Maybe that's what the E/C storyline reminds me of.

I take issue with tptb calling him a "prodigal son". According to the Bible (at least the one I read), the REAL prodigal son CAME TO HIS SENSES! The REAL prodigal realized that he had done wrong and disgraced himself and his family. HE HUMBLED HIMSELF!! He went back to his family with the hope of being taken in like one of the hired servants (It would be like Adam coming back and asking to be hired back as part of the cleaning crew). Believe it or not, I'd have respected him had he done something like that, but I get the feeling this just isn't done in Hollywood.

As near as I can figure, Adam doesn't think he's done anything wrong. He just didn't get enough money, so when Ugly Betty didn't pan out, he mobilized his army of fans to demand that he come back, and now, instead of skulking back, he's looking forward to the red carpet being rolled out and being the new "star". :angryrazz::censored:
 
prod-i-gal: Wasteful expenditure of money, strength, or time.

Yep, I'm putting my own twist into this 'Prodigal Son' meaning. :p
 
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