Nah, no arguments. Just a healthy debate.
I think mostly it was that the writers didn't really know where to go with it.
To clarify an earlier comment, I never meant that Nat inviting Ryan to the party was a way to get inside info. I meant that she could have been semi-flirting with him at said party to get him to feel more comfortable and maybe spill some big secret (wrong-doing at the lab, etc). I don't think she was there just to find wrong doing within the lab, but with the employees themselves. Cause if an employee has done something wrong, the lab (according to Calleigh in "Death Pool") could lose its
accredidation (sorry for the spelling- how do you actually spell this word? :lol
. Plus, it's possible that even at this point Ryan may have had his gambling issues and someone higher up could have been suspicious of him in that regard. So, it's not hard for me to believe that she might be investigating that angle as well.
And didn't Monica say in the ep where she was arrested... didn't she allude to the fact that the employees had made some mistakes that could get the lab shut down. "boyfriends who commit suicide in a firearms lab, employees with gambling habits, sisters with drug problems" or something to that effect. That says to me that they weren't just investigating wrong doings in the labs, but also the employees as well as the employees' family. And Peter I think it was said that Monica already had a mole in the lab. And Monica said "Boa Vista was useless". So, apparently in the longrun, Natalia chose to stick up for the lab rather than help bring it down. So, I have to give her (to use a "Clueless" word) "props" for that. :lol:
I think Natalia was and is really interested in Eric and was from the start. But, I also got the feeling that maybe the feds had something on her or a family member and that's why they were able to bully her into spying on the lab. It did seem like she didn't want to do it. In a sense, her and Ryan were somewhat in the same boat. :lol: Ryan didn't want to decieve anyone either. :lol: It's ironic, isn't it? I just had another thought. What if the purpose of that whole storyline was to parallel Natalia's being a mole with Ryan's being UC to find the mole? Hmm...
I totally believe that her and Ryan's "date" was not a romantic one. I think it was a "we'll go as friends" type of thing. I think Ryan and Natalia both may have wanted Delko to think otherwise though. Okay, maybe he did want to bug Eric a little (kind of like a little brother would hit on his older brother's gf just to bug him), I can buy that. But, in his defense, he did ask Eric's permission first. I'd give him at least two brownie points for that. :lol: He didn't go behind Eric's back and ask her out. Eric could have very well have said "no, we're still dating and I'm not cool with you and her going out in any context", but he didn't. Instead he as you put it, stuck his foot in his mouth. :lol:
I definitely don't think that Ryan saw her as a "prize" though. Yeah, he might have saw it as a way to annoy Eric (kind of how Han Solo knew Luke Skywalker had a crush on Princess Leia and said to Luke "so, what do you think? A princess and a guy like me? And Luke said "No, I don't." in an annoyed tone and Han turned away and smirked, knowing he had struck a nerve. :lol: ), but I do not think he saw Natalia as a "prize". Saying a guy sees a girl as a prize is essentially the same as saying he sees her as just another conquest. That's not who Ryan is. He's just not the "just another notch in the belt buckle" kind of guy. He's not smooth enough with the ladies to be that type of guy. :lol: Okay, I can kind of seeing the doing it to bug Eric bit, but not the seeing her as a prize part.
The money thing was just too obvious to me that something weird was going on. If he wanted to show Eric up, why wouldn't he just be like "I can pay for our date with my own money" rather than the lame excuse that he'd left his money at home. Come on, what guy actually does that? Most guys keep their money in their wallets until they spend it... unless its an excessive amount of money that they can't do that with. The writers just didn't explain any of that very well at all. Unless this was meant to be an insight into his gambling habit and he didn't have any money cause he'd gambled it away?
But, I am annoyed with the way the writers handled the whole situation. To me, it wasn't a very thought-out storyline. There were way too many holes in it. So, I blame the writers. :lol:
As far as the characters go, they all played a role in it regardless of their motives, right? :lol: I think all three were essentially victims of the system and of the feds (who are always screwing things up anyway). :lol: So the three of them share some of the blame. None of them are 100% innocent. Ryan shouldn't have been annoying Eric, Eric shouldn't have stuck his foot in his mouth and Nat shouldn't have out of anger at Eric agreed to go out with Ryan. I don't think Ryan deserves all of the blame. I think they all three played a role in it. :lol: Nat has 10% of the blame, Ryan and Eric both have 20% and the Feds (for trying to take down the lab to begin with) get the rest of the blame along with the writers for not thinking it out properly and filling the storyline with too many plot holes :lol:. Just to be fair. :/ The writers definitely deserve the blame. :lol: They've never been consistent... and the continuity on this show is very lacking. :lol:
But, if Natalia threw a party, how come she didn't invite Eric? When Eric questioned her about it, she blew it off as saying "it wasn't really a party, I just had some friends over". She had some friends over and invited Ryan but not Eric? Huh? That makes no sense to me. What is wrong with these writers? :lol:
It seems to me like the writers were not really sure where to go with any of this. Maybe they were testing the waters so to speak. Seeing if there was chemistry (romantic-wise) between the actors to see if there was possibly a way to do a triangle there, but it wasn't effective, didn't work... so they dropped it. My thing is, if you're gonna start something, end it well ... don't just act like it didn't happen. Execute it to the fullest extent. These writers just really annoy me sometimes. :lol:
You know what annoys me even more? They repeat themselves (to an extent). They turned around and did a very similar story with Maxine/Nick/Nat. Didn't Maxine ask Nat for permission to date Nick?
Ugh... these writers. :lol:
I think what it comes down to though (as far as the characters go), is that they all have flaws... but I think that they are all geniunely good people. I think it's also possible that Nat and Eric both has such strong feelings for each other that it scared them and that they each were pushing each other away in various ways due to their fears. Good grief, I'm psychoanalyzing everything. :lol: But, to recap, all three characters are flawed, but good people at heart.
The Feds on the otherhand... :lol: that Cole guy is just way too smug for his own dang good. :lol: And is it just me or does he look eerily similar to Vegas' undersheriff? :lol:
Boy, this topic sure has led to a nice debate though. At least it gives us something to talk about cause Lord knows we aren't getting any Eden related spoilers. :lol: . :lol:
Can someone please tell me though... what the heck was the point in having Maxine date Nick? Was it just to show that Nick was trying to make Nat jealous by dating a co-worker of hers? I just don't get that whole storyline. :lol: And it really bugs the heck out of me. :lol: Nick and Maxine... what an odd pairing. I did like that they gave Maxine more of a presence than just DNA girl though.
And I liked how Eric showed he still had feelings for Natalia by fighting with Nick in that ep. :lol:
But, you're right, MJ. It was a load of crap and Eden never should have broken up because of it.
Edit: This post was longer than I intended it to be and I swear it looks shorter on the edit window. :lol:
