i know this is OT but hope it is OK.... No way?? No one told me that - silly new board (only teasing Mods, tis quite fancy!)I just spent ages trying to work out what was wrong But Mods it may be worth putting this in the FAQs ? Ah well, I will just to have post lots more to win back my signature - I like a challenge!! And Liffy - thanks for the heads up!