Re: Carmine Giovinazzo Discussion: The Non-Locker Room Threa
Orison said:
Having mob ties doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person and/or have a criminal record. Danny's mother could be the daughter of a boss but be the sweetest person, have a good relationship with her son and cook for his friends.
The family may have been under surveillance because of who she is, they do that with relatives of "dangerous" guys but like I said, not necessarily because she did something. What intrigues me on the other hand is Papa Messer. He married a boss's daughter so he had to be very careful and try to please his father-in-law any way he could if he didn't want to find himself six feet under. What if said father-in-law asked him a favor or something, leading to Papa Messer doing something wrong? The snitch theory works too, and could lead to interesting dynamics between the characters.
Ah, the possibilities...
I assumed Mama Messer’s connection to the mob, if anything, was due to family relations (guilt by association). I should have clarified in my post, but I never pictured her as being a bookie or a runner – sexist, I know. It’s just that Danny made a point to remove himself from such a lifestyle (going to the opposite ends of the spectrum as far as career choices go) that it seems a little odd that he would remain so close to her if she was actively involved in her mob oriented family. If being under surveillance and “in the system’s sights”
are related, Danny spoke with such frustration towards the latter that had the FBI or NYPD kept watch on his family, then it sounded like a little more than a simple “let’s just keep an eye on you and make sure nothing funny happens.” If Mama Messer was connected due to her family, then I presume she would be actively involved with her family (enough to warrant close watch by law enforcement). Perhaps an estranged daughter of an underboss might warrant some watch if the case was serious enough (maybe?), but I don’t think it would have struck the same frustration in ‘On the Job’ as it did. Danny made it seem like the time spent “in the system’s sights” was prominent enough to cause discomfort in how his life was at the time. He felt helpless then, and the gravity of potentially killing a cop and not being able to do anything to clear his name, was enough to make the comparison.
But it sounds like Danny
is close to his mother, who in order for a stringent watch by law enforcement was probably close to her own mob-related relatives. I think the bond would have suffered if he had either snitched or turned his back on her family. If she wanted to break ties, however (felt it wasn’t a safe environment for her sons, for example), then maybe after a while there was approval and a strong relationship was retained.
But overall, Danny doesn’t want to be associated with that kind of lifestyle. He was quick to tell Mac that he never once rolled with the Tanglewood Boys and knew what they were all about (or something to the effect) and I don’t see him meeting up for family dinners if Mama Messer is flitting around with her criminal relatives.
Though outside of telling Louie that “mommy and dad were on their way down” in ‘RSRD,’ we haven’t heard much, if anything about Papa Messer.
Now granted, due to the fun of speculation and assumption, all that I wrote could easily be uprooted, lol. With hundreds of possibilities, it could easily be solved by Danny telling his mother, “I no longer want to associate with them” or “This isn’t the life for me” and her saying, “Ok” and the two of them bond outside of the mob-related relatives.
Or the surveillance and “in the system’s sights” aren’t related would ruin things too. :lol:
But it’s still fun to come up with ideas.
Random Note: Since the possibly of Danny being a snitch is as both entertaining and interesting as the speculation of whether or not Mama Messer is the one connected to the mob; how exactly would Danny have been useful to law enforcement? I think as a snitch, he would have had to know some detrimental information – whether personally or knew someone or somewhere to get the information. He would have had to on some level had serious involvement, whether again personally or through family associations (from the parents). He’s either had to seen or heard some things to be of any use.
