"19 Down..." Discussion *SPOILERS*

[happyharper13]

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Ugh. Sorry - your post really irritated me. Can we please tone down the Cath-bashing. If you dislike her, that's one thing, but effectively calling her a "consummate bitch" is a bit harsh (not to mention rude, IMO). Also, the actress's name is Marg, not Marge -- pronounced with a hard g, not like Homer's wife. I've also never heard the character called 'Cathy' before.

Whoa!! Are you for real? Your getting upset over someone calling a fictional character a name? I'm not even gonna dignify this with arguments. It just blows me away that your so ....i don't know.....involved with a TV series you can't handle a little poke at one of the characters. I think Marg Helgenberger is a beautiful and talented actress and plays her character perfectly. IMO she plays a bitch. Don't like my post....don't read or respond to it....my gawd...get a life.

Larry's roll is gonna be similar to Macs in NY I think.....he's gonna be a cross between Mac and House with his obsession about catching the bad guy because he missed the boat when he was a ME out east. He'll be stand offish and seem cold because of his singlemindedness to solve the crime and I guarantee he will clash with Catherine....whom I can't stand BTW...LOL...no offence to you Cathy fans. Love Marge because she plays the consummate bitch so well. Larry'll be a fair but firm boss as I assume he will be given the lead but the others will find him cold. Fishbournes typecast will demand that kind of attitude IMO. Anyone else think Gills gonna go crawling back to Sara? The two of them are already slated to make guest appearances periodically if the show continues for the foreseeable future. It least thats the gossip...LOL. Loved the episode, and looking forward to a fresh start for the show. Gonna miss Willy Pete as he's been a favorite of mine since "Manhunter".

Ugh. Sorry - your post really irritated me. Can we please tone down the Cath-bashing. If you dislike her, that's one thing, but effectively calling her a "consummate bitch" is a bit harsh (not to mention rude, IMO). Also, the actress's name is Marg, not Marge -- pronounced with a hard g, not like Homer's wife. I've also never heard the character called 'Cathy' before.

I could have discribed this all with one word....Pissy.

CSI4LF while your post [referring to Catherine as a bitch] might not have been an intent to bash, what I believe happyharper was referring to is the Board rule see Show Criticism.

I could have discribed this all with one word....Pissy.

This was un-necessary and inappoperiate not to mention borders flaming someone (see the rule link above) which will not be tolerated.

Fineally both of you clashed on this, giving ones opinion regarding an actor/actress OR character should be done respectfully, and instead of asking the person to clairfy what they meant, the gun was jumped and you both got defensive and the outcome was a waste of time and energy on your parts. At this point I am not going to issue a warning to anyone because I have read both posts and honestly I think it just got out of hand, so lets consider this a friendly reminder a good talking to and move on. If that can not be done then I will give one if I have too.

I'm really sorry for getting defensive. I realize that it was tacky of me to make the comments about the names and I understand where CSI4LF was coming from.

this was the first time in like two years i have caught CSI airing a new ep.... i know i'm a bad CSI fan but this is where dvds come in handy.

i liked this ep, it was interesting.

the serial killer was freaking creepy!! he kinda reminded me of HRG from "Heroes"!! haha. i liked how Grissom got out of the lab to do a bit of field work. it kinda sucked how the killer knew that he was working law enforcement and called him out on it.

I had the exact same reaction! I haven't seen much of Heroes, but I definitely thought it was the same guy when I first saw the DJK.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

Does anyone know what the missing word was in the crossword puzzle at the first.
I think the first word is solution,
The second word could be Trends, maybe?
I'm not sure about the next to words but it ends with a word like help, held, hell or something.
ST_A_ _?

I'm not sure.

I'm betting it's statis. The only cross-word that would be involved that I don't recognize is emse, but it maybe an acronym.

It couldn't be statis because there's a blank between the t and the a. I was thinking maybe stairs or steamy, but that wouldn't have anything to do with the show. :lol:

I couldn't find that emse word. Maybe the one in the puzzle was emre instead. Dictionary.com's definition of EMRE.

 

[Desertwind]

CSI still comes out on top after 9 years:thumbsup: and the whole cast was awesome, the serial killer EWWWW, so sickening and Laurence Fishburne so good, he'll be great on here. And on a good employee Archie for sure, but he wasn't in this with Grissom, David was, poor guy. It was just a great episode all the way through! And to be continued so when is this airing?

RATINGS

 

[NHRFan]

The Part 2 will be back on Jan. 13 and that will be Grissom's last day. I hope he said something to Nicky and Greg.

 

[myfuturecsi]

The Part 2 will be back on Jan. 13 and that will be Grissom's last day. I hope he said something to Nicky and Greg.

He probably won't. Which is sad.

I don't know why the writers would script it that way, but they do. Makes no sense to me.

I like the character of Grissom, but sometimes I don't like the way he's depicted at times, but the same could be said for all the characters.

But this was a good episode, the serial killer was oh so scarey! I actually had nightmares about him last night.

 

[Destiny]

Untacking feel free to continue the discussion.

 

[ladyhunter]

Let me try this again. Every time I've come here recently to post about an episode, I always get kicked off :brickwall:

Anyway, I loved CSI last night. I was very much old school CSI from the first season. No one was in peril, Grissom handed out assignments and the case was creepy and gorey. Just like CSI 'back in the day' :lol:

Grissom's goodbye was hearbreaking. I did tear up some. I loved everyone's expressions, especially Cath's but that's for another thread.

Hodges has such a MANCRUSH on Grissom. His behavior just verified it. Hodges is such a great opposite to Grissom it's fun to watch them interact. Boy his Hodges going to miss his Grissom.

I was tentative about anyone new people joining CSI, but so far Riley has proved to be very good. And LF, well he's going to do just fine. I'm wondering how they are going to make him join CSI. Is Brass going to give him an offer he can't refuse? We'll have to wait.. what... 4 weeks!

The serial killer was creepy as hell. Yes, like Charles Manson. No remorse, no emotion, nothing. I do think the students as the accomplice is a very interersting twist. Something only CSI can do. That's why I like this show, it starts out going in one direction and turns to another. So the students being the accomplice to DJK wouldn't surprise me.

This is the first time I've ever seen Vartann interact with Brass. Too bad Vartann isn't in the contination episode. I hope we get to see him after Grissom is gone.

Again, excellent episode.

 

[hellogilbert]

Hmm your comment about the perfect employee made me think -- I love SuperDave, but the guy that, to me, most embodies perfect employee on CSI has got to be Archie. Seriously, who doesn't love Archie? He's just so darn likable, plus he's been on the show since the beginning -- a lot longer than Hodges, Wendy or SuperDave. I'd really like to see a Griss goodbye scene with him.

Perhaps Archie will be around in the next episode cause he's put together a video of Grissom's best bits.

Great idea! *bursts into tears-AGAIN* Oh, thanks a lot! I HAD to check the post! DAMN! Now I'll never get anything done! So much for my last final!

 

[CSI4LF]

The serial killer was creepy as hell. Yes, like Charles Manson. No remorse, no emotion, nothing. I do think the students as the accomplice is a very interersting twist. Something only CSI can do. That's why I like this show, it starts out going in one direction and turns to another. So the students being the accomplice to DJK wouldn't surprise me.

Again, excellent episode.

Sorry to burst you bubble...and not trying to flame...LOL....just that Charlie Manson is a/was/ and always will be a coward. He never even participated in his murders as far as anyone knows which is why he's not on death row. I guarantee on the day of his execution Manson would wet himself and bawl like a stunned baby. This guy was Ted Bundy all the way. The arrogance, lack of fear, obsession with solidifying his rep, on and on.

Just a bit of trivia....up until his execution on Jan 24th 1989, bundy told authorities of enough murders on his part to surpass any other serial killer convicted. In other words he would only reveal a body when his previous record was apparently broken. Ewwwwwww. I hope the first jolt didn't kill that freak.

 

[byline]

I live in Canada, and we have our VCR set to tape "CSI" at 8 p.m. (when it's normally broadcast on CTV), then "The Office" at 9 p.m. I had a meeting Thursday night and didn't get home till 10:30 p.m., and then my husband didn't get home from work till late either, so we didn't realize that there was a scheduling change. CTV must've moved "CSI" to 9 p.m., because all I've got on our tape is a "CSI: Miami" episode.

So . . . I found a link to watch it online (can't view it on CBS.com because I live in Canada), but I feel like I missed bits and pieces; somehow, the small screen makes it harder to watch. So I will have to watch it again. But I will say that now that Grissom has made his announcement, it's a little easier to take the thought of Petersen leaving. Still not sure if I'll really feel like watching once he's gone, though. We'll see.

 

[myfuturecsi]

I live in Canada, and we have our VCR set to tape "CSI" at 8 p.m. (when it's normally broadcast on CTV), then "The Office" at 9 p.m. I had a meeting Thursday night and didn't get home till 10:30 p.m., and then my husband didn't get home from work till late either, so we didn't realize that there was a scheduling change. CTV must've moved "CSI" to 9 p.m., because all I've got on our tape is a "CSI: Miami" episode.

So . . . I found a link to watch it online (can't view it on CBS.com because I live in Canada), but I feel like I missed bits and pieces; somehow, the small screen makes it harder to watch. So I will have to watch it again. But I will say that now that Grissom has made his announcement, it's a little easier to take the thought of Petersen leaving. Still not sure if I'll really feel like watching once he's gone, though. We'll see.

It's sad to hear people say things like that because I'm so exited about Laurence coming on board. I loved 19 Down and that's even with the small amounts of Nick on the screen.

I feel like CSI is worth my time again!

 

[ladyhunter]

Sorry to burst you bubble...and not trying to flame...LOL....just that Charlie Manson is a/was/ and always will be a coward. He never even participated in his murders as far as anyone knows which is why he's not on death row. I guarantee on the day of his execution Manson would wet himself and bawl like a stunned baby. This guy was Ted Bundy all the way. The arrogance, lack of fear, obsession with solidifying his rep, on and on.

Just a bit of trivia....up until his execution on Jan 24th 1989, bundy told authorities of enough murders on his part to surpass any other serial killer convicted. In other words he would only reveal a body when his previous record was apparently broken. Ewwwwwww. I hope the first jolt didn't kill that freak.

Actually your trivia was very insightful. I'm glad you posted it. I mentioned Charles Manson becasue someone else brought him up too as being a serial killer. Ted Bundy probably fits the image CSI was trying to portray with the DJK. And Ted Bundy was creepy and very much the sociopath that this guy was too. Good observation!

 

[Adzix]

^ i would say DJK is more like Jeffrey Dahmer than Ted Bundy. I mean Bundy was a pretty high ranked politician, handsome and generally liked by his peers. Nathan Petrelli comes to mind, if we're already relating to Heroes characters (btw, i thought DJK looked totally like Noah Bennett too. i think it's the glasses).

anyway, Dahmer was the ultimate creep and a social outcast who did sick things, just like DJK who cut off woman's breast. Dahmer raped and ate some of his victims (which were young boys btw). they both fantasized about the murders for a long time, though it's probably a characteristic of almost all serial killers.

if anyone is interested, here is a link to A&E Biography: Jeffrey Dahmer. I hope it's ok for me to post it, if not, mods, please tell me and i'll edit this post.

ETA: i just started rewatching the A&E Biography and Jeffrey's childhood awfully reminds me of Grissom's. lol. at least the very beginning.

 

[myfuturecsi]

^ i would say DJK is more like Jeffrey Dahmer than Ted Bundy. I mean Bundy was a pretty high ranked politician, handsome and generally liked by his peers. Nathan Petrelli comes to mind, if we're already relating to Heroes characters (btw, i thought DJK looked totally like Noah Bennett too. i think it's the glasses).

anyway, Dahmer was the ultimate creep and a social outcast who did sick things, just like DJK who cut off woman's breast. Dahmer raped and ate some of his victims (which were young boys btw). they both fantasized about the murders for a long time, though it's probably a characteristic of almost all serial killers.

if anyone is interested, here is a link to A&E Biography: Jeffrey Dahmer. I hope it's ok for me to post it, if not, mods, please tell me and i'll edit this post.

ETA: i just started rewatching the A&E Biography and Jeffrey's childhood awfully reminds me of Grissom's. lol. at least the very beginning.

I know. Wouldn't it be funny if Grissom turned out to be the murderer!:guffaw:

I'm kidding. Yeah I thought that guy reminded me of Dahmer too. I just couldn't remember the name.

Hell of a good actor if he can freak me out like that!

 

[Adzix]

^ hah, yeah. i think it's cuz young Grissom liked to perform autopsies on dead animals for different reasons. it was in a scientific-Leo-da-Vinci, and not i-wanna-have-sex-with-a-dead-cat kind of way.

anyway, Dahmer was quite different from DJK too. especially in the way he behaved in prison. he was just a normal guy, really. it was as if in addition to being ordinary he had those urges to kill that he just couldn't stop even though he tried. he knew it was wrong, his conscience was killing him which is why he had to drink to forget. and still the things that he did with the bodies were probably more gruesome than anything we've ever seen on CSI, or maybe even on TV and movies in general.

Dahmer was assumed to be legally sane, which is why he ended up in prison and not mental hospital. so my question is, where is DJK? b/c in my opinion people like him do not exist, unless they are insane. he could easily plead 'guilty but insane' cuz one look at him and it's obvious this guy probably cannot distinguish between right and wrong (which is the legal requirement for insanity).

if he is in prison, then imo, it's a bit unrealistic. although we have Charles Manson, who sits in jail too, who is similar to DJK especially in one aspect - no remorse. DJK was definitely portrayed as extremely devilish and creepy, Lecter-like. i wonder if a person like that ever existed, tbh. Manson had his ideology for everything he's done, and so far DJK seems like what he is doing is for his own pleasure without any kind of other justification. which brings us back to Dahmer, except Jeffrey felt remorse and knew it was wrong.

so, as far as i know there's never been a killer like DJK who would be considered sane.