luvcsimiami
Hit and Run
Hi All,
This is the first thread I've ever started on this board so hope I'm doing this correctly. Let me start with a disclaimer and say I am not being snarky or rude and this is not a shipper thread (at least I don't intend for it to be) at all so just bear with me. It's just an observation from my point of view and I would really like to discuss and get other fans thoughts on this.
I want to talk about character assasinations so here goes.
I think that Alexx not being there has shown how a major character can really negatively affect a show. Maybe if they had brought in a better character (sorry not a Tara fan and wasn't sad to see her go. I'll be stunned if they bring her back but who knows) we wouldn't miss Alexx so much. Jonathan Togo is a great example. Sometimes mixing it up can be a good thing. I was a huge Speedle fan and really loved Ryan when he first started on the show...then I really didn't like Ryan in later seasons and now I have to admit he's growing on me again. Eric is still my favorite but I can actually say I like Ryan a whole lot more this season that I used to.
I've noticed that Ryan, Frank and Natalia are extremely popular and b/c of a popular or unpopular storyline depending on which camp you're in, season 7 hasn't really utilized these characters all that much. Of the three characthers mentioned I have to say that all of a sudden it seems that Ryan seems to be the most favored character right now because we fans seem to be so divided on a particular storyline.
With that being said there have been all sorts of speculations about what should happen with two of the lead characters on the show, Eric and Calleigh. I think I've read it all:
Let's start with Calleigh:
-Some want the old Calleigh back
-Some love the new Calleigh
-Some want a combination of the two (That would be me)
-Some just want her gone because they've destroyed her too much to ever make her credible again.
Then there's Eric:
-Some want the before the bullet Eric back
-Some love the new Eric (That would be me...sorry liked the old guy, LOVE the new one)
-Some want a combination of the two
-Some just want him gone for various reasons and I'll leave at that.
So my question is this....would it really be a better miami without one or both of these characters?
If so, why and what one thing or combination of things made you come to that conclusion.
If not, why and what one thing or combination of things made you come to that conclusion.
Or, do you think it's a simple matter of fixing the team interaction itself and go back to their S1-S3 formula?
Horatio, Eric, and Calleigh have been there from the very beginning. Since season one, episode one. Frank was scattered throughout season 1 and 2 and we finally started seeing more of him in season 3. Ryan came along in season 3 and Natalia in season 4 (although I don't think she was in the actual opening line up until season 5)
I was so sad to see Alexx go that I'm still missing her presence on the show. For me I actually find it a little disheartening to think that after all the changes, tragedies, writer mishaps whatever you want to call it, that it's actually gotten people thinking that the only way to solve some of the major plot holes the writers have left is to do away with one of the main characters...namely Eric and/or Calleigh.
So I'll start by answering my own question. Although I am an E/C shipper I have to say that I have mixed feelings on the matter. I for one think the show would suffer without these two but if I had to chose and they went this route I think I would choose Eric. For Miami storyline it would make more sense (bullet in the brain...etc) He's unfortunately become the character that is usually cast as the villian (especially when there is a negative Ryan and Eric interaction)
The reason and things that brought me to my conclusion are as follows:
Eric:
I miss the confident Eric Delko before the bullet but that's about it. While he was my favorite character after Alexx left I have to say I didn't like the player aspect of his character at all. The fact that he would sleep with any woman with a pulse was a bit much for me. As far as character assasination moments would have to say there are only a few that make me want to :brickwall:
-I actually think they started messing up Eric's character well before the E/C ship. The whole "toothing" thing was so jacked up I still fume when I see that episode. Player or not, I was left scratching my head when they came up with that storyline as how he dealt with losing Speedle. Are you kidding? :scream:
-I don't think the new Eric is a "puppy dog" at all, but I do wish they would deal with the problems that he's had since the shooting. The old Eric Delko would have NEVER let Calleigh take the fall for him on the cheat sheet no matter what Calleigh said and I HATE they went this route and he just acquiesced as if it was no big deal. His comptence has been questioned so many times it's just not funny and I wish they would write it where he secretly got retested on his own
-His dealings with Ryan. I wish they would give him another reaction when interacting with Ryan other than an outburst first (whether I think Ryan deserves it or not). It would be nice if he would remain calm for once.
Between the buying marijuana storyline, hunting down Antonio Riaz for shooting his sister, the Russian mob father, the INS status, and finally the bullet in the brain. I think this guy has just been so jacked up and emotionally abused that TPTB could come up with a storyline to have his character exit gracefully and open the door for a new character to come in. We would only have H family drama instead of Eric and H family drama. It would bring Ryan to the forefront. Natalia would get more screen time. Calleigh would probably return to some semblance of her former self.
Calleigh:
I actually miss the old no nonsense, in your face, Calleigh. However, I do like some of the things that they have done with her character's evolving. I still think she could be salvaged...maybe. For me there have been a lot of out of character moments that I feel didn't do justice to any of the characters.
-Her covering for Ryan with the supernote. I understood her reasoning at the time but I have to say the old Calleigh would have left the decision to Horatio on how this would be handled.
-The whole thing with Jake was out of the blue and made no sense to me. Sorry Cake fans but it just didn't make sense that they started with the E/C "romance" and then blam Jake shows up in the middle of it and that's who she goes off with. I don't know about the non E/C shippers but I have to say this storyline irritated me to no end because it will never make sense and it makes the E/C relationship now less credible...I don't care what reason Calleigh gave Eric. I love the ship but really, really, dislike how they got there.
-Her covering for Eric with the cheat sheet. Again the reasoning didn't make any sense. Although I will say that I don't think what she did here is ANY differen than what she did for Ryan when she covered for him. Ryan let her take the fall for the supernote (even though it caught up with him later) and Eric let her take his proficiences over again (hasn't caught up with him yet but I think it will) IMHO I don't think that either man would have let her do this and I HATE that it was written that way.
Now, the reading the docter's notes wasn't an issue for me because I got the impression they were going to be read anyway when they got the court order. I've watched that scene a few times and I thought Calleigh said don't we need to wait for court order...to which Eric replied 'that could take days' So if they were going to obtain a court order so they could read the notes anyway in order to figure out who killed the therapist then how was it a breach of ethics for them to do it ahead of time? I know a lot of folks say this killed all respect they had for Calleigh but because of my reasoning above I actually had more of an issue with her covering for Ryan and Eric than this particular issue...not to mention the Jake thing which was just stupid in my opinon.
So there's my take on the matter and I would love to know what others think (shippers and non shippers alike). This isn't a thread meant to start a dispute as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm just really curious as to what others feel regarding losing a lead character of the four original lead characters currently (Horatio, Eric, Calleigh & Frank) left on the show and why they would feel that way. Meaning do you feel the characters have been so messed up that maybe it's time for a new character.
This is the first thread I've ever started on this board so hope I'm doing this correctly. Let me start with a disclaimer and say I am not being snarky or rude and this is not a shipper thread (at least I don't intend for it to be) at all so just bear with me. It's just an observation from my point of view and I would really like to discuss and get other fans thoughts on this.
I want to talk about character assasinations so here goes.
I think that Alexx not being there has shown how a major character can really negatively affect a show. Maybe if they had brought in a better character (sorry not a Tara fan and wasn't sad to see her go. I'll be stunned if they bring her back but who knows) we wouldn't miss Alexx so much. Jonathan Togo is a great example. Sometimes mixing it up can be a good thing. I was a huge Speedle fan and really loved Ryan when he first started on the show...then I really didn't like Ryan in later seasons and now I have to admit he's growing on me again. Eric is still my favorite but I can actually say I like Ryan a whole lot more this season that I used to.
I've noticed that Ryan, Frank and Natalia are extremely popular and b/c of a popular or unpopular storyline depending on which camp you're in, season 7 hasn't really utilized these characters all that much. Of the three characthers mentioned I have to say that all of a sudden it seems that Ryan seems to be the most favored character right now because we fans seem to be so divided on a particular storyline.
With that being said there have been all sorts of speculations about what should happen with two of the lead characters on the show, Eric and Calleigh. I think I've read it all:
Let's start with Calleigh:
-Some want the old Calleigh back
-Some love the new Calleigh
-Some want a combination of the two (That would be me)
-Some just want her gone because they've destroyed her too much to ever make her credible again.
Then there's Eric:
-Some want the before the bullet Eric back
-Some love the new Eric (That would be me...sorry liked the old guy, LOVE the new one)
-Some want a combination of the two
-Some just want him gone for various reasons and I'll leave at that.
So my question is this....would it really be a better miami without one or both of these characters?
If so, why and what one thing or combination of things made you come to that conclusion.
If not, why and what one thing or combination of things made you come to that conclusion.
Or, do you think it's a simple matter of fixing the team interaction itself and go back to their S1-S3 formula?
Horatio, Eric, and Calleigh have been there from the very beginning. Since season one, episode one. Frank was scattered throughout season 1 and 2 and we finally started seeing more of him in season 3. Ryan came along in season 3 and Natalia in season 4 (although I don't think she was in the actual opening line up until season 5)
I was so sad to see Alexx go that I'm still missing her presence on the show. For me I actually find it a little disheartening to think that after all the changes, tragedies, writer mishaps whatever you want to call it, that it's actually gotten people thinking that the only way to solve some of the major plot holes the writers have left is to do away with one of the main characters...namely Eric and/or Calleigh.
So I'll start by answering my own question. Although I am an E/C shipper I have to say that I have mixed feelings on the matter. I for one think the show would suffer without these two but if I had to chose and they went this route I think I would choose Eric. For Miami storyline it would make more sense (bullet in the brain...etc) He's unfortunately become the character that is usually cast as the villian (especially when there is a negative Ryan and Eric interaction)
The reason and things that brought me to my conclusion are as follows:
Eric:
I miss the confident Eric Delko before the bullet but that's about it. While he was my favorite character after Alexx left I have to say I didn't like the player aspect of his character at all. The fact that he would sleep with any woman with a pulse was a bit much for me. As far as character assasination moments would have to say there are only a few that make me want to :brickwall:
-I actually think they started messing up Eric's character well before the E/C ship. The whole "toothing" thing was so jacked up I still fume when I see that episode. Player or not, I was left scratching my head when they came up with that storyline as how he dealt with losing Speedle. Are you kidding? :scream:
-I don't think the new Eric is a "puppy dog" at all, but I do wish they would deal with the problems that he's had since the shooting. The old Eric Delko would have NEVER let Calleigh take the fall for him on the cheat sheet no matter what Calleigh said and I HATE they went this route and he just acquiesced as if it was no big deal. His comptence has been questioned so many times it's just not funny and I wish they would write it where he secretly got retested on his own
-His dealings with Ryan. I wish they would give him another reaction when interacting with Ryan other than an outburst first (whether I think Ryan deserves it or not). It would be nice if he would remain calm for once.
Between the buying marijuana storyline, hunting down Antonio Riaz for shooting his sister, the Russian mob father, the INS status, and finally the bullet in the brain. I think this guy has just been so jacked up and emotionally abused that TPTB could come up with a storyline to have his character exit gracefully and open the door for a new character to come in. We would only have H family drama instead of Eric and H family drama. It would bring Ryan to the forefront. Natalia would get more screen time. Calleigh would probably return to some semblance of her former self.
Calleigh:
I actually miss the old no nonsense, in your face, Calleigh. However, I do like some of the things that they have done with her character's evolving. I still think she could be salvaged...maybe. For me there have been a lot of out of character moments that I feel didn't do justice to any of the characters.
-Her covering for Ryan with the supernote. I understood her reasoning at the time but I have to say the old Calleigh would have left the decision to Horatio on how this would be handled.
-The whole thing with Jake was out of the blue and made no sense to me. Sorry Cake fans but it just didn't make sense that they started with the E/C "romance" and then blam Jake shows up in the middle of it and that's who she goes off with. I don't know about the non E/C shippers but I have to say this storyline irritated me to no end because it will never make sense and it makes the E/C relationship now less credible...I don't care what reason Calleigh gave Eric. I love the ship but really, really, dislike how they got there.
-Her covering for Eric with the cheat sheet. Again the reasoning didn't make any sense. Although I will say that I don't think what she did here is ANY differen than what she did for Ryan when she covered for him. Ryan let her take the fall for the supernote (even though it caught up with him later) and Eric let her take his proficiences over again (hasn't caught up with him yet but I think it will) IMHO I don't think that either man would have let her do this and I HATE that it was written that way.
Now, the reading the docter's notes wasn't an issue for me because I got the impression they were going to be read anyway when they got the court order. I've watched that scene a few times and I thought Calleigh said don't we need to wait for court order...to which Eric replied 'that could take days' So if they were going to obtain a court order so they could read the notes anyway in order to figure out who killed the therapist then how was it a breach of ethics for them to do it ahead of time? I know a lot of folks say this killed all respect they had for Calleigh but because of my reasoning above I actually had more of an issue with her covering for Ryan and Eric than this particular issue...not to mention the Jake thing which was just stupid in my opinon.
So there's my take on the matter and I would love to know what others think (shippers and non shippers alike). This isn't a thread meant to start a dispute as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm just really curious as to what others feel regarding losing a lead character of the four original lead characters currently (Horatio, Eric, Calleigh & Frank) left on the show and why they would feel that way. Meaning do you feel the characters have been so messed up that maybe it's time for a new character.
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