^ you did well at multiquotes! I'll reply properly when I'm at my computer tho... i don't mind the speed so much as the lack of checking that's being done, and also i think it's kind of wrong that the "big" nations (ie the ones that have always been in) have no financial scrutiny or at least less scrutiny than new members. as has been proved by spain, just because you're an established member, it doesn't mean you're doing well with your finances! actually i didn't have a problem with those - after all they haven't been as bankrupt or corrupt as greece which was a nation that went through a lot less scrutiny to join (which is my point above). bulgaria and romania were probably brought in partly because they needed the financial input as well as the financial output - their tourism industry is now doing well (bulgaria's is nothing short of booming) and it's probably been a good thing for them to join. i think the thing is about the different amounts of time, is that there were different circumstances. i think for the former soviet bloc especially a promotion of western culture and financial ways was probably needed sooner not later. and like i said these countries arean't the ones causing problems now really, it's the old, established ones like spain (definitely established), greece an ireland (both old and established relative to the soviet bloc nations) i don't think it's just their economy tho, it's also about what they can bring to europe, and how they can benefit from the things that go with membership like free movement and so on. it's about being more open as well as finance. which explains why these countries are growing (economically) so fast. budget tourism has made tallinn (and places like it, riga, for instance) very prosperous and ok, that's just the capital, but that kind of prosperity has a habit of spreading to the rest of the nation. damn, i sound like a capitalist agreed. i don't think we ever could be like the US, there's too much history at stake. and i think the generations that grow up having only known the eu as it is (approximately), ie with one currency, many member states and a good spirit of cooperation but a few problems too, can learn to manage it better in financial terms. it is a very new entity (when i was a kid it didn't really exist) so of course there are teething problems but i think on the whole it's quite positive.