Surreal_44
Hit and Run
Ok, I read this thread. I skimmed the first one, as was suggested to me when I dared to say that people hate Lindsay because she's dating Danny. I watched all three complete seasons twice over and the newer episodes twice also, and I've come to several new conclusions:
1. Lindsay is hated because she replaced Aiden
2. Lindsay is hated because she was paired with Danny.
3. Carmine is a bad actor, but Danny is so beloved we must blame Lindsay/Anna for it his poor performances.
4. Lindsay is not able to empathize with people, which makes her difficult to like.
5. People dislike her (Anna or Lindsay or both) for various reasons and the more they dwell on it, the easier it is to find fault with her.
I dislike Hawkes. Big time. So I view his interactions with the characters very differently. For example, while almost everyone on this thread seems to think Flack does not Lindsay, I would disagree and point out that we have seen far more evidence that Flack and Hawkes do not get along. Are they professional with each other? Yes. But there is an underlying sense of tension between them.
Is it possible that my perspective on their relationship is colored by my absolute dislike of Hawkes? Yes. Probably.
My point: I don't think all the characters hate or are irritated by Lindsay nearly as much as people state they do. I even dare to suggest that people think this simply because they hate Lindsay.
My own take on Lindsay, especially with Mac and Stella is that they generally seem amused by Lindsay, and her relationship with Mac is very interesting for me. I like to watch them together on-screen, especially when she experiments with Mac.
In fact, my friend and I were watching "Sleight Out of Hand" last night, and when Mac offered to let Danny set his arm on fire, my friend said "If it were Lindsay, she would have set his arm on fire in a heartbeat."
Everyone's opinions are valid and it's been interesting to read this thread, but I have to firmly disagree. Lindsay's character is perfect for CSI NY because she's NOT perfect. She doesn't fit in; she isn't meant to. She provides a discord and disharmony that is GOOD for the show.
Now, before you all get huffy with me, I will say Lindsay is one of my least favorite characters. But if I had to choose between people who needed to stay, or people who needed to go on the cast, I would pick Lindsay to stay, and get rid of Hawkes and *sniffle* Adam.
I haven't seen a convincing piece of writing that tells me anything except that there is great dislike for Lindsay, and most of this centers around Danny for some odd reason.
I don't even find Anna's acting to be as hideous as people often complain about. All the actors have flat, hideous lines that just sound like they're trying too hard. Honestly, I feel that Stella is the least natural and most boring to watch, simply because I often feel like I'm watching the Melina acting rather than watching Stella.
The lack of crying on Lindsay's part when she's talking about her friends' murders is interesting, not bad acting. Someone I know happened to witness one of the most hideous car wrecks of all time (he still has nightmares seven years later) cried every time he talked about it, but eventually the tears have stopped. His voice trembles, he sounds teary, but he can't cry about it anymore.
And I think that's what happened with Lindsay. There's only so many tears you can cry over something before you just can't do it.
Lindsay apologizing to Danny in "Snow Day" is also interesting -- not annoying. She's survived a shooting in which her best friends died. She was out of the building when Flack and Mac were caught in an explosion, when she really should have been inside. She was resting and smiling while Danny was captured and beaten, when it should have been her. Logically, she shouldn't have to apologize for any of it. None of it was her fault, but you can bet that she spent years apologizing for surviving and moving forward with her life while her friends rotted away in the ground. She didn't really have to, but she felt guilty, people probably made her feel guilty. Another personal connection to Lindsay; a woman I know once told me that one day her daughter had apologized for being alive -- because the three older children had died in an accident, but the youngest survived. The response by the time "Snow Day" rolls around would have been instinctual and necessary for Lindsay. She had to apologize because...she had to.
So, to wrap up this excessively long post, I just have to say that I tend to disagree with the assessment that Lindsay was the worst thing ever to happen to CSI NY. I think though that to be fair, there isn't much character analysis of Lindsay going on here aside from "OMG, she's so annoying and I hate her".
Anyway, feel free to tear my post apart and call me a moron. :-D If the mods want to move my post that's fine, or if they want me to post my views in the Lindsay thread instead, I will be happy to oblige.
Oh, and Danny and Lindsay were the worst idea ever, but only because Danny is too irritating to date anyone. But that's just my opinion. :-D
1. Lindsay is hated because she replaced Aiden
2. Lindsay is hated because she was paired with Danny.
3. Carmine is a bad actor, but Danny is so beloved we must blame Lindsay/Anna for it his poor performances.
4. Lindsay is not able to empathize with people, which makes her difficult to like.
5. People dislike her (Anna or Lindsay or both) for various reasons and the more they dwell on it, the easier it is to find fault with her.
I dislike Hawkes. Big time. So I view his interactions with the characters very differently. For example, while almost everyone on this thread seems to think Flack does not Lindsay, I would disagree and point out that we have seen far more evidence that Flack and Hawkes do not get along. Are they professional with each other? Yes. But there is an underlying sense of tension between them.
Is it possible that my perspective on their relationship is colored by my absolute dislike of Hawkes? Yes. Probably.
My point: I don't think all the characters hate or are irritated by Lindsay nearly as much as people state they do. I even dare to suggest that people think this simply because they hate Lindsay.
My own take on Lindsay, especially with Mac and Stella is that they generally seem amused by Lindsay, and her relationship with Mac is very interesting for me. I like to watch them together on-screen, especially when she experiments with Mac.
In fact, my friend and I were watching "Sleight Out of Hand" last night, and when Mac offered to let Danny set his arm on fire, my friend said "If it were Lindsay, she would have set his arm on fire in a heartbeat."
Everyone's opinions are valid and it's been interesting to read this thread, but I have to firmly disagree. Lindsay's character is perfect for CSI NY because she's NOT perfect. She doesn't fit in; she isn't meant to. She provides a discord and disharmony that is GOOD for the show.
Now, before you all get huffy with me, I will say Lindsay is one of my least favorite characters. But if I had to choose between people who needed to stay, or people who needed to go on the cast, I would pick Lindsay to stay, and get rid of Hawkes and *sniffle* Adam.
I haven't seen a convincing piece of writing that tells me anything except that there is great dislike for Lindsay, and most of this centers around Danny for some odd reason.
I don't even find Anna's acting to be as hideous as people often complain about. All the actors have flat, hideous lines that just sound like they're trying too hard. Honestly, I feel that Stella is the least natural and most boring to watch, simply because I often feel like I'm watching the Melina acting rather than watching Stella.
The lack of crying on Lindsay's part when she's talking about her friends' murders is interesting, not bad acting. Someone I know happened to witness one of the most hideous car wrecks of all time (he still has nightmares seven years later) cried every time he talked about it, but eventually the tears have stopped. His voice trembles, he sounds teary, but he can't cry about it anymore.
And I think that's what happened with Lindsay. There's only so many tears you can cry over something before you just can't do it.
Lindsay apologizing to Danny in "Snow Day" is also interesting -- not annoying. She's survived a shooting in which her best friends died. She was out of the building when Flack and Mac were caught in an explosion, when she really should have been inside. She was resting and smiling while Danny was captured and beaten, when it should have been her. Logically, she shouldn't have to apologize for any of it. None of it was her fault, but you can bet that she spent years apologizing for surviving and moving forward with her life while her friends rotted away in the ground. She didn't really have to, but she felt guilty, people probably made her feel guilty. Another personal connection to Lindsay; a woman I know once told me that one day her daughter had apologized for being alive -- because the three older children had died in an accident, but the youngest survived. The response by the time "Snow Day" rolls around would have been instinctual and necessary for Lindsay. She had to apologize because...she had to.
So, to wrap up this excessively long post, I just have to say that I tend to disagree with the assessment that Lindsay was the worst thing ever to happen to CSI NY. I think though that to be fair, there isn't much character analysis of Lindsay going on here aside from "OMG, she's so annoying and I hate her".
Anyway, feel free to tear my post apart and call me a moron. :-D If the mods want to move my post that's fine, or if they want me to post my views in the Lindsay thread instead, I will be happy to oblige.
Oh, and Danny and Lindsay were the worst idea ever, but only because Danny is too irritating to date anyone. But that's just my opinion. :-D
