Why Lindsay Must Go (Part 3)

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  1. JellyBelly

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    ^^ I guess the reason none of those other actresses have said that is because they haven't been asked the question . This is Anna's second pregnancy in the show, so it's only natural that reporters will ask how it's different and how much harder/easier it is for her character to be pregnant on the show as opposed to hiding it. I suspect she was just responding to the questions she was asked.
     
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    Delurk anytime. :)

    I do recall vaguely something like that. They certainly haven't since painted her as an expert specialist in anything. I was about to say even if we don't know more of her work history, it would be interesting to see why the other characters find her a valuable team member. But I think this goes to the heart of what others have pointed out, that we're constantly told Lindsay's awesome in so many ways but the content to illustrate such has been glossed over or left on the virtual cutting room floor.


    I agree she does come across as laying herself wide open to ridicule. Especially from the likes of me. But I also realize that what we read more often than not here are clips taken from interviews and so are lacking the wider context, even if only in the tone of the exchange.

    She is, however, still responsible for the impressions created. An interview is not stalker papparazzi, I don't think anyone would make the effort to try and ambush her with controversial or difficult, pithy questions. You generally have an understanding of the nature of the questions about to be asked , and you have every opportunity to frame your responses. If you're not comfortable fielding such queries, decline the interview.

    She may be answering off the cuff and in a lighthearted fashion, but man does she come off light elsewhere instead. Professionally, I don't like the work she's done on the show, but I will not go so far as to insult her personally by suggesting she's unintelligent or lacking in dedication. It's hugely unfortunate that her own words seem to depict her as such, whether accurate or not. Unfortunate for both her and the show.

    If Anna's performances could elevate her above perceptions that may arise based on interview clips like that, that would help. If Anna's media saavy was such that her clips generated respect for being articulate and insightfully well-spoken instead of being so wide open to easy mockery, that in turn would colour what I see on screen. I measure my take on things against what insights writers, producers, and performers provide all the time, just as a guage of understanding their intent, their spin, and a comparison to what ultimately comes across by the time it's a completed entity onscreen. But there's little with Anna media-wise or performance-wise that generates interest or credibility, or makes Lindsay palatable to watch. The end comparison with her usually becomes annoyance not only at her performance, and at Lindsay's character in general, but at the resulting periodic assuaging drek ladled from the producers about how wonderful everything is, when clearly it is not.

    I had no idea either of them were pregnant. Says something right there. Though I also don't think as big a deal was made about their circumstances.

    I expect that both other actressess' parts do not revolve around a fictionalized version of their real life pregnancies as a vehicle for their characters. I don't know Flashpoint, but I do watch SVU. The characters there certainly do not rely on romances for character thru lines, nor on personal relationships to be interesting characters. Even in Elliot's case, the depiction of his home life does much to provide depth to his character, but is not the focal point of his role on the show.

    What does Lindsay uniquely contribute to the show?

    If it weren't for the fictional DL relationship and pregnancy, I seriously doubt there would be nearly as much interest in asking questions about her RL pregnancy and what it's like to work thru it, or at least, those questions wouldn't be given such prominence in the media in general.
     
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    Agreed.

    Yeah, they're incorporating Anna's pregnancy into the show so obviously she's going to be asked about it and how things differ from the first time she was pregnant and they didn't incorporate it into the show.

    That doesn't mean Anna had so say the things she did. Talking about how hard it was because she had to stand behind furniture and act like she wasn't pregnant and implying that she told people she couldn't do it doesn't paint her as an actress in a good light. She could have easily answered the question without coming off like she is bitching about doing the job she was hired to do and that she had such difficulty pulling it off when pregnancies are hidden on TV shows all the time by actresses who have much more physically demanding roles.

    And like I said before the huge WTF? comes from her saying it was hard for her to act like she wasn't pregnant when she was. That's not a comment anyone would expect from a professional actress who has scored a co-starring role on the most popular franchise in the world.
     
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    My point is that without knowing the questions she's asked, it's hard to judge a lack of professionalism, at least in my opinion it is. I'm not aware of other actresses who've had two pregnancies in one show, one hidden and one not. That's why I suspect the questions she's asked relate to how different it is for her as an actress in each scenario. It therefore makes sense to me that she'll talk about how difficult/different it is to act 'not pregnant' when you are. I just don't see what the problem is here.
     
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    And I see a huge problem when a professional actress says that acting like her character isn't pregnant when she is pregnant is hard for her. Acting is her job and she shouldn't have problems with her character's situation being different from her own. To me it explains a lot about what I perceive as Anna's lack of understanding of Lindsay and her motivations if she can't get over the fact that Lindsay isn't pregnant when she is without complaining about it.
     
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    Yet if you ask any pregnant actress about acting like her character isn't pregnant I suspect they'll say it's hard. In fact, ask any pregnant woman what it's like doing her job when she's pregnant and she'll likely say it's hard. I very much doubt Anna was waiting on the opportunity to whinge and complain about this as soon as an interested journalist came along, she would have been responding to certain questions.
     
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    And IMO she came off as sounding unprofessional and like her job is too hard for her. Yeah, doing stuff when you're near the end of a pregnancy is difficult I imagine. There are ways to respond to questions and make it clear that things might be tougher without it sounding like you're complaining/whining and IMO Anna didn't come close to that. Saying, "Ohh I can't do this," when she's talking about nothing more than standing, sitting and walking sounds whiny and unprofessional to me. That's probably not what she intended, but that's how it came off IMO and that just isn't good for Anna or the show. She may not have known the questions ahead of time, but the interview was for a printed article so she should have had time to think before she responded. Also being a professional actress she should be used to doing interviews so she should know that there are times when what you say comes completely different in writing and choose her words accordingly.
     
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    I think overall the thing that comes out with Anna's interviews is a lack of any real depth of thought about her character. She's constantly saying how she doesn't understand things Lindsay does (pushing Danny away, (presumably) not saying yes to his proposal) and just making statements in general that reflect how she doesn't seem to be able to separate Lindsay from herself (the pregnancy comments). I think overall with Anna what you see in interviews is what you get on TV: no depth. There aren't any layers to her performance as Lindsay, which is why in four years, all we've seen is that Lindsay is "the Montana girl in New York." After all this time, there should be way more depth to her, but there's not. And reading interviews with Anna, it does seem like a lot of that lack of depth comes from her.
     
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    Having been pregnant twice, I found Anna's comments about how hard it was working while pregnant a bit insulting. She acts like she's never been interviewed in her life and her comment about how hard it was to pretend she wasn't pregnant seemed silly to me. For one, they didn't have her doing anything strenuous, just having to stand behind things or letting her sit down in scenes to make things easier for her.

    I did my job both times I was pregnant (which didn't include sitting on my ass all day) in addition to taking care of a house all with a husband who worked out of town through my pregnancies which left me doing pretty much everything. The second time around I was not only working and taking care of a house but also taking care of a small child.

    Like Anna, my children are only two years apart and if she complains that much about having to hide a pregnancy then how does she manage anything else in her life? And for the record, I never ONCE complained about how difficult it was.

    I really don't see the difference in an actress hiding a pregnancy or having it incorporated into the storyline. It's still doing your job one way or the other and even if you have to pretend you're not pregnant, you're still pregnant regardless..

    She just comes off as whiny to me and maybe wanting attention or sympathy and it's a poor excuse to write a pregnancy in if the main reason it was written in was to accommodate her because it was too hard to hide it. :rolleyes:
     
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    That's how it seems to me, too. I've never been pregnant, so I cannot comment either way on how uncomfortable it is, but to hear her say that she is having a hard time "acting like she's not pregnant" is strange for me. Maybe she meant it in the way that she has to hide how uncomfortable its making her during filming, but either way it came off very whiny.

    And whats really killing me about this storyline is the fact that it isn't hiding her pregnancy at all. It is still blatantly obvious that Anna Belknap is pregnant and has been pregnant, and she is still going to take a maternity leave regardless. It makes no sense for them to have written it into the show...it isn't hiding her pregnancy any better or making it any less obvious.
     
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    It can be very uncomfortable the last couple months but even then pretending not to be pregnant is do-able. Pregnancies are hidden all the time on TV. I don't see how it would be more uncomfortable to hide it than not since you're actually pregnant either way and they let her do plenty of sitting when they hid it which is a good thing.

    We know Lindsay isn't as far along as Anna but it's like 'oh ok, we've decided to include her pregnancy so screw it, we'll go ahead and show it whether Lindsay is showing or not'. They've been half hiding it which is silly.

    Not to change the subject and I know we've talked about this before but I was watching the NY marathon on Spike last week and after watching Stuck on You, Lindsay just made me wanna scream at her again. Why did she go out of her way to try to prove that she knew Mac better than Danny? WTF was up with that and why was she so determined to try to prove that? If it was supposed to be cute it didn't come off that way to me. She told Danny that she knew Mac played by the way he held a guitar (so only people who actually play know how to hold them?:confused:) and that she knew he had a standing appointment every Wednesday. How did she know that? It just came off as creepy on Lindsay's part and CSI or not, there was no way she could have put those two ideas together and came up with where he was unless she followed him that night...which is totally creepy to think an employee is following their boss around just to see where he goes every Wednesday night.
     
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    I agree with this. I saw that episode again recently and felt the same way about that scene.

    I think it was a poorly conceived idea because it did seem stalker-ish. If she wanted to know where Mac went then she could have asked him and then it would have been up to him to tell her or not. Quite the breach of his privacy there. And there have to be many places in NYC for someone to go play music on any given night so even if she had put those two pieces of information together and come to the conclusion he played music in a club, she would have no way of knowing which club unless she followed him.


    And then there was a problem with the writing in leap of logic she took. He has a standing appointment on Wednesdays and so it was either the gym or music? There are really a million other things it could have been. I used to do volunteer work every Tuesday night after work. I have a friend who every Thursday goes to see her dad at the nursing home. I knew a woman who took flamenco dance classes one night a week. Anyway, the point is people often have standing appointments. And I know how to hold a guitar because I took guitar lessons when I was younger -- doesn't mean that I have anything to do with playing it now.


    Anyway, the other main problem was the execution. Despite the other problems the scene might not have hit such a sour note (no pun intended) if Lindsay had come across as cute rather than sort of snotty and self-satisfied.
     
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    "Stuck on You" was actually an episode I liked Lindsay in. I didn't feel like she was being stalkerish so much as going out of her way to impress/one-up Danny, which seemed like a sign that she had a pretty big crush on him. I actually thought she was at her best midway through season two when she did actually seem like somewhat of a light-hearted character. They've really never recaptured that feel since.
     
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    Why she must go...sitting and uncomfortably watching that scene between Stella and Lindsey do the "I have a friend.." Stella actually shows emotion looks like she cares, believeble and I forget she's acting....Lindsey a deer in headlights...
     
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    It's The Dead Fish Eyes of Doom rearing their ugly heads again!

    Lindsay needs to go because TPTB has decided that even one ounce of reality or believability is unneccessary in the DL story line. There's a difference between writing in an actress' pregnancy and using it as an excuse to be lazy and cliched.
     
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