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It's very telling that in Season 3 when Anna missed three episodes after she had the baby that nobody seemed to miss her. The show didn't seem like it had a gigantic hole in it. In fact, it was like she had never been on the show at all. It's a shame Lindsay only has a connection with Danny but then again, how would she connect with anybody else?I love the show too, but really, if Lindsay ever left, would people really miss it. I mean if Flack, Danny, Stella, mac, etc...left the show, their would be a hole(they all have different connections and relationships with others, Lindsay has one connection and that's with danny.)
It's very telling that in Season 3 when Anna missed three episodes after she had the baby that nobody seemed to miss her. The show didn't seem like it had a gigantic hole in it. In fact, it was like she had never been on the show at all. It's a shame Lindsay only has a connection with Danny but then again, how would she connect with anybody else?I love the show too, but really, if Lindsay ever left, would people really miss it. I mean if Flack, Danny, Stella, mac, etc...left the show, their would be a hole(they all have different connections and relationships with others, Lindsay has one connection and that's with danny.)
I smell a miscarriage *fingers crossed*So Lindsay has known for a few weeks that she's been preggo... I wonder how many arms the baby will come out with due to chemicals.
What I think was the worst about it was that it makes the idea that Danny is the bad guy, and "Screwed up" canon. It further cements that Lindsay is a Mary Sue character and can do no wrong.
We'll never see the proof because even TPTB know she's not a "good thing". I guess they think we're easy to sway if they say it enough. Sorry, I'm just not that gullible. Telling me she's great doesn't mean squat to me if they can't prove it.and you know, your points bring something else to mind that I was thinking of earlier, that description of Lindsay as a "good thing" is just another example of how they never seem to SHOW us how great Lindsay is, they just continue to tell us she's amazing and expect me to believe it. Show me some proof!
:guffaw: I feel like I'm being suffocated.Please, the air has gone stale, my gag reflex can't take it!
That's one thing I knew I could count on with this episode - that her performance would be lame as usual. That's really the only continuity there's been on that show.Well....i guess i can honestly say i wasn't disapointed by her performance. It was just as awful and lame as I expected it would be.
It's very telling that in Season 3 when Anna missed three episodes after she had the baby that nobody seemed to miss her. The show didn't seem like it had a gigantic hole in it. In fact, it was like she had never been on the show at all. It's a shame Lindsay only has a connection with Danny but then again, how would she connect with anybody else?
Yeah, that was just one of many offensive things about the situation. After everything that's happened, she is still supposedly immaculate and faultless while Danny is the guilty lapdog who's done a big booboo and needs to grovel at her godly feet and make it up to her. Can anyone say, pathetic, two-dimensional Canon Sue who's ruining the show?Springmoon said:
A look of disgust at Danny's less-than-enthusiastic response?
Heh, if I remember right, at least one of the episodes where she was absent had improved ratings. Yeah, the ratings did better when she was gone. And just as telling, the ratings never dropped while she was away either.1csimfan said:
It's very telling that in Season 3 when Anna missed three episodes after she had the baby that nobody seemed to miss her. The show didn't seem like it had a gigantic hole in it. In fact, it was like she had never been on the show at all.
It's very apparent at this point that the only reason Lindsay has any connection with Danny is because TPTB deliberately used Danny/Carmine as a means to an end to manipulate gullible fangirls into liking Lindsay. Think about it; if Lindsay wasn't in a relationship with Danny and became her own person with no connection to him, would the fangirls even give a damn about her, especially when Belknap's acting is so subpar and even she herself admitted she's 'unglamarous and plain'? I highly doubt it. Lindsay's only worth is that she's plain, hollow, with the typical Mary Sue characteristics so fangirls don't even have to bother using any brainpower to pretend she's them and vice versa.It's a shame Lindsay only has a connection with Danny but then again, how would she connect with anybody else?
Knowing how cowardly TPTB is by now, I'll bet that'll merely be brushed under the rug like so many other careless f*ck-ups. Unless the ratings crash and burn. Oh, with TPTB, it's always about the ratings. Should the ratings tank, I won't be surprised to see TPTB resorting to drastic measures to get them back. Wouldn't put it past TPTB to use a miscarriage plot either as a drastic measure. Even TPTB themselves are making this all about Danny, so the real big picture is, whatever boosts him on screen is what TPTB will be running with. If it comes to the point a miscarriage storyline will get viewers back and put their cash cow in the spotlight as usual, TPTB will likely do it. It's aaaaall about ratings.WhosLaughingNow said:
So Lindsay has known for a few weeks that she's been preggo... I wonder how many arms the baby will come out with due to chemicals.
Exactly. Let's just say two very horrid lines by Lindsay seriously made me want to show her a certain finger on my hands. Try and guess which one it is.cSiNyFrEaK30 said:
I REALLY didn't care for the "i know you" scene, either...when has Danny ever showed that Lindsay shouldn't expect anything from him? Didn't he fly to Montana to be there for her during the trial? Didn't he constantly seek her out before that to let her know he was there for her? When has Danny EVER shown that he might leave her out in the cold, if something like this were to happen?
Agreed. TPTB is already resorting to desperate measures just to convince people about her character, much less about her relationship with Danny. Notice they had to use Danny to do their dirty work, and that even he couldn't say anything worthwhile about Lindsay other than 'different'? :guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw: F*cking hilarious! I think only people in serious denial would think there's anything resembling love going around there! :guffaw: And ya know, it also reminds me of how the rest of the cast can only say 'she's nice' in regards to Belknap. Ya really gotta wonder about that.roximonoxide said:
... that description of Lindsay as a "good thing" is just another example of how they never seem to SHOW us how great Lindsay is, they just continue to tell us she's amazing and expect me to believe it. Show me some proof! Even the guy who's fathering her kid can't think up any poignant compliments or reasons as to WHY shes a good thing short of her being "different"! That's just a paraphrasing on the "breath of fresh air" garbage we've been choking on since season 2. Please, the air has gone stale, my gag reflex can't take it!
:lol: That is what we call ... the Scrunch Face. Dun-dun-dun-duuuuuuuuun.lynerjy said:
I guess what just bugs me the most is that she has the same reaction to.. to everything. To having a baby, to losing all her friends in a shooting, to being in love, to finding that potassium did this here and calcium did this there. And it's really, really not very interesting to watch. Because whatever is going on in Lindsay's life, I know I'm not going to be able to glean a single thing of how she feels or what she thinks about it based off what I see on screen.
True, so sooo very true. If any one of them left, there would be a huge impact on each of the other characters. I believe the relationships I see onscreen between them. With Lindsay, I'm now in a constant default Translation state to interpret what she's saying and why she's there. The portrayal's so uneven that I have to Think In Pretend, pretend that she's a character in those labs, and not just a poor actor. Fer chrissakes. Talk about suspension of disbelief.I love the show too, but really, if Lindsay ever left, would people really miss it. I mean if Flack, Danny, Stella, mac, etc...left the show, their would be a hole(they all have different connections and relationships with others, Lindsay has one connection and that's with danny.)
Yeah, until then it was purely interpretive speculation. What really got to me was TPTB using Carmine/Danny as an apologist voicebox to try and speak on Lindsay's behalf, defend her point of view in a way, and recontextualize Danny's past behaviour after the fact. That was nauseating. If things were so bad, why would either one want to get back together again anyways? Oh that's right. They didn't. TPTB did. In order to accomodate the decision to include Anna's pregnancy into production. Way. To. Go. :vulcan:What I think was the worst about it was that it makes the idea that Danny is the bad guy, and "Screwed up" canon. It further cements that Lindsay is a Mary Sue character and can do no wrong.
Agree here too. Again, I was left :brickwall: by the whole thing. And worse, she's really really dragging not only Danny down, but Carmine. I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't think he was that great in 5.09. It's like TPTB sat him down and said here's the explanation we wrote, and you're gonna shovel it. It's gonna try and make Lindsay look good, cos you'll do it better, Danny's gonna say he made mistakes, screwed up, somehow did wrong, and now he's now at a loss to know what to do in light of Lindsay's pregnancy. And he's gonna spill his guts to complete strangers. But don't worry. We'll give ya a whole sequence riding your Harley to make it easier to swallow. He's been so mis-used by this whole scenario. The very fact that this is his story is depressing as hell. How can any other story they give him really ultimately take greater precedence than pending fatherhood?And nothing annoyed me more than that, in the entire course of the episode. The whole thing played Lindsay off as some "poor poor girl who is pregnant with no one to help her....boohoo." and Danny as the sleazy boyfriend/baby daddy who wouldn't pay child support. Really? Danny Messer?? The most emotional, empathetic, and caring character on the show?
Not only did this episode revert back to the old ways of season three (i.e. handicap Carmine to hold up Anna), it even further showcased how weak a link Anna Belknap is in this cast. HER character is pregnant...yet its Danny's storyline.
So many good points in there. There's always somehow been this implication that Messer's a playah. But when have we ever really seen him be anything other than empathetic, caring, if anything, oversensitive? She's implying he's irresponsible maybe? Impetuous? Impetuous enough to fly across to Monana on her behalf? Irresponsible enough to take Reuben's death so deeply to heart and feel to blame? (And between the two of them, how about being so incredibly responsible as to not use protection?) Danny IMO often seems to take too much on himself rather than shirk things, even if he defies others to go about it in his own way. He's never been my favourite character, but I hate seeing him (ab)used like this.The only things Danny can think to tell the couple at the end about her are "ZOMG shes from MONTANAAAA" and that she is a 'good thing'....and lets not forget that before this episode, they've only shared less than a handful of scenes together, none of which reference them having slept together, even in a flashback, to match up with the timeline that Lindsay is "weeks" pregnant. .... I REALLY didn't care for the "i know you" scene, either...when has Danny ever showed that Lindsay shouldn't expect anything from him? Didn't he fly to Montana to be there for her during the trial? Didn't he constantly seek her out before that to let her know he was there for her? When has Danny EVER shown that he might leave her out in the cold, if something like this were to happen?
:lol: :lol: Exactamundo. Mighty Montana Da Good has been mighty lacking in evolution. A pregnancy, which by default has the greatest impact on the mother, is (so far at least, I grant) not being used to develop her, but being told from the father's persepctive? I thought that soundbite from Veasey about it being seen thru Danny's eyes, and being the beginning of the tough kid's change, yada, was bad enough. But again, they took it a step further to use Danny's character to try and rationalize the whole DL thing, using one of the most popular characters on the show to pander this relationship as a "good thing." I found that incredibly transparent and distasteful. Incredibly. :censored::wtf::angryrazz:You called it and you know, your points bring something else to mind that I was thinking of earlier, that description of Lindsay as a "good thing" is just another example of how they never seem to SHOW us how great Lindsay is, they just continue to tell us she's amazing and expect me to believe it. Show me some proof! Even the guy who's fathering her kid can't think up any poignant compliments or reasons as to WHY shes a good thing short of her being "different"! That's just a paraphrasing on the "breath of fresh air" garbage we've been choking on since season 2. Please, the air has gone stale, my gag reflex can't take it!
:lol: I know exactly what you mean. I'd been so patiently tolerant and accepting fo DL until the inclusion of the pregnancy. When she was gone in S3 it was like I'd relaxed without knowing why, hadn't missed her at all. Actually took me a moment to realize she hadn't been around for awhile. Sure knew when she came back though. Few levels or layers or subtle nuances to her performances. Scene chewing doesn't count. Babblefish is my default now. I watch her scenes translating what she's doing and saying to try and intellectually compile what teh writers may have meant. Note, not understanding what Lindsay said, but what the writers meant for her to convey. Absolutely no connection with her performances, but also not with her character. She had next to no screen time in early eps this season, and I was delighted. Didn't feel the show hurt for her non-presence at all.I've never really taken to ragging on Lindsay/Anna before but last night was the kicker.. I guess what just bugs me the most is that she has the same reaction to.. to everything. To having a baby, to losing all her friends in a shooting, to being in love, to finding that potassium did this here and calcium did this there. And it's really, really not very interesting to watch. Because whatever is going on in Lindsay's life, I know I'm not going to be able to glean a single thing of how she feels or what she thinks about it based off what I see on screen.
And to support a point, I had nO idea that Anna was missing in season 3 until I read this. And like, I waTch this show. alot. Follow every episode. I either really didn't notice or it was so nonessential I forgot it.
Yep. I would buy that. Sadly. I could see them doing such a thing. It's just too bad that DL is such a critical tipping point for the whole f*cking show. I mean come on. Crime Scene Investigation. New York City. You'd think that premise would be enough. It certainly got the show off the ground. Add a stellar core cast. You got a strong show.Oh, with TPTB, it's always about the ratings. Should the ratings tank, I won't be surprised to see TPTB resorting to drastic measures to get them back. Wouldn't put it past TPTB to use a miscarriage plot either as a drastic measure. Even TPTB themselves are making this all about Danny, so the real big picture is, whatever boosts him on screen is what TPTB will be running with. If it comes to the point a miscarriage storyline will get viewers back and put their cash cow in the spotlight as usual, TPTB will likely do it. It's aaaaall about ratings.
But seriously, her utter lack of emoting is exactly the reason why Lindsay's been lobbed onto Danny like a giant leech. Danny's actor is a good one, more than capable of emoting and displaying believable expressions and nuances. He's also worked very hard to develop Danny into a three-dimensional character as best he can with what he's given. The sad thing is, after episode 5x09, Danny will be Lindsay's prop (as in, him propping up her performances so we'll be distracted by how awful they are) for probably the rest of the show. Think it's safe to say pathetic lapdog Danny is here to stay and RIP to the real Danny Messer whom Carmine had worked so hard to build.
Now, more than ever and thanks to TPTB utterly f*cking things up and destroying whatever opportunities Lindsay had left of becoming an independent, better character ... she's gotta go. There's no chance in hell of her being a salvageable character, not anymore.
Seriously, can you imagine Stella missing from a few episodes? Or Hawkes? Or Adam? Adam only became a regular character this season, but I'm 100% certain that if he disappeared for a few episodes now, viewers will be wondering what happened to him and where he went. Heck, before he was a regular, people were already asking why he's not around when he didn't show up for an episode or two. No surprise TPTB has made him, a lab tech, one of the main characters today. AJ Buckley worked hard and well with the material he was given, and it really shows. Good, hard work and sincere love for it always shows.Elwood21 said:
If any one of them left, there would be a huge impact on each of the other characters. I believe the relationships I see onscreen between them.
:lol: Seconded. The irony is, I think Belknap's inability to act or portray a believable, three-dimensional character is pretty much the main reason Lindsay's 'liked' by fangirls who use her as a self-insert Canon Sue. If Belknap was capable of developing Lindsay as a believable, well-rounded character who didn't need propping up, there would be no 'space' for self-insertion and projection of themselves onto Lindsay by fangirls. That's why you don't see this happening (to the same extent, anyway) with Stella or Angell or even Aiden; their actresses do a good job of making their characters independent, with a unique voice and personality.With Lindsay, I'm now in a constant default Translation state to interpret what she's saying and why she's there. The portrayal's so uneven that I have to Think In Pretend, pretend that she's a character in those labs, and not just a poor actor. Fer chrissakes. Talk about suspension of disbelief.
:lol: Yes! This is one of the things amusing me so much about this hack job of a story plot! Thanks to what happened, we now have official, canonical proof of how useless and fake Lindsay is. Honestly, I can't imagine anyone with self-respect and good self-esteem ever relating to a pathetic character like Lindsay, much less think she's all that or worse, want to be her. :wtf: :guffaw:
Agreed. It was truly low and underhanded of TPTB to use Danny/Carmine that way. Worse of TPTB to destroy what was one of the best Danny storylines and reduce it to nothing more than a 'mistake', just to cover up their utter laziness and shoddiness. Even worse is that we know they had fully intended to go a different route and actually salvage things and possibly save both Danny's and Lindsay's characters. But, no ... they had to take the chickensh*t route at the very last minute because they seem to be afraid of losing even the slightest amount of viewers and wanted as much shallow asskissing as they could get. :brickwall:What really got to me was TPTB using Carmine/Danny as an apologist voicebox to try and speak on Lindsay's behalf, defend her point of view in a way, and recontextualize Danny's past behaviour after the fact. That was nauseating. If things were so bad, why would either one want to get back together again anyways? Oh that's right. They didn't. TPTB did. In order to accomodate the decision to include Anna's pregnancy into production. Way. To. Go. :vulcan:
Totally agree with this. I have noticed a shift of perspective towards Danny in fandom ever since he was turned into Lindsay's prop. The only people who like Danny being her prop are, naturally, fans of their relationship who fancy having the hot stud of the show catering to the plain, unglamorous country girl's every whim, no matter how ridiculous or hypocritical they are.And worse, she's really really dragging not only Danny down, but Carmine.
Who knows, maybe that's precisely what TPTB did. The sad part is I can see TPTB doing that and not blink an eye about it. Oh, how low you've sunk, TPTB.It's like TPTB sat him down and said here's the explanation we wrote, and you're gonna shovel it. It's gonna try and make Lindsay look good, cos you'll do it better, Danny's gonna say he made mistakes, screwed up, somehow did wrong, and now he's now at a loss to know what to do in light of Lindsay's pregnancy. And he's gonna spill his guts to complete strangers. But don't worry. We'll give ya a whole sequence riding your Harley to make it easier to swallow. He's been so mis-used by this whole scenario. The very fact that this is his story is depressing as hell. How can any other story they give him really ultimately take greater precedence than pending fatherhood?
Seconded. So. Damn. Much. If TPTB had hoped that would make people like what's going on, they've gotta be kidding me. All it did was prove me that even they know how much this hack plot sucks and that they went with it anyway because they're just too damn lazy to do a good, substantial story and only want shallow praises and rake in money. Awful!I thought that soundbite from Veasey about it being seen thru Danny's eyes, and being the beginning of the tough kid's change, yada, was bad enough. But again, they took it a step further to use Danny's character to try and rationalize the whole DL thing, using one of the most popular characters on the show to pander this relationship as a "good thing." I found that incredibly transparent and distasteful. Incredibly. :censored::wtf::angryrazz: