The Great Ship Debate - CSI:Crime Scene Investigation

[MrsWillows]

I think my love for PureJoy has been there since i first watched the show and thought they were married or in a relationship... they just have (had) this awesome chemistry together.
But saddly, things changed, i dont feel them as close as they were, i deeply miss those days, i'd had seen them being canon, but since i see this whole thing that happened with gsr, i think it was better they stayed that way, but frankly, i'd LOVE to see those cute scenes between them flirting and everything, they used to be close friends.
I definitively want PureJoy back!:thumbsup:

 

[Waiting]

GSR are soulmates?!?!?! Wow, I suppose that is why Grissom was all concerned about LH!!! Yep that is right... he didn't inform Sara of anything... and was LH's ALIBI. Yet, he has a girlfriend. What I don't get is if Grissom is the love of Sara's life... why did she leave him a LETTER? Why didn't she say goodbye to him in person? More important why didn't he follow her. I'm just curious... considering that soulmates usually have communication down.

I say bring on LH and Grissom because there is evident chemistry between the couple!!!! And I swear he was on the phone with her at the end of the last episode.

Then again, catnip would be rather interesting as well. I loved the angst that was displayed in Redrum!

And MrsWillows... I miss the Grillows friendship myself! They had a great friendship, and it's time to see more of it.

 

[ladyhunter]

Since this is the debate thread...

I don't see Catherine and Warrick as anything more than good friends. They work well together but any chance of their romance died when he got married.

Grissom and Lady Heather will always be my cannon relationship on the show, regardless of what is going on now.

Catherine and Grissom were fun and flirty and sexy. It was so fun to watch. I miss the interaction between them. For a while, they almost let on that there was something more going on between them.

I've come around on Catherine and Nick. They also have chemistry. They could make a good couple.

 

[MrsWillows]

I agree with hhunter there, im a PureJoy fan to the bone, but then again, i can see something happening with CatNip.

PS. I know Waiting, we all do miss those old days.

 

[Desertwind]

GSR are soulmates?!?!?! Wow, I suppose that is why Grissom was all concerned about LH!!! Yep that is right... he didn't inform Sara of anything... and was LH's ALIBI. Yet, he has a girlfriend. What I don't get is if Grissom is the love of Sara's life... why did she leave him a LETTER? Why didn't she say goodbye to him in person? More important why didn't he follow her. I'm just curious... considering that soulmates usually have communication down.

I say bring on LH and Grissom because there is evident chemistry between the couple!!!! And I swear he was on the phone with her at the end of the last episode.

Then again, catnip would be rather interesting as well. I loved the angst that was displayed in Redrum!

And MrsWillows... I miss the Grillows friendship myself! They had a great friendship, and it's time to see more of it.

Lady Heather who he hasn't seen since S/7 out of the blue called him after this case he'd been working on..preposterous:rommie:. I don't think so:wtf:, and how did she get his cell phone #, it was Sara, and the "soulmates" comment was from one of the writers of CSI, Allen MacDonald:thumbsup: and they are in touch, "Brass, Have you heard from Sara"? Grissom "yeah, she's in San Francisco visiting her mom" Brass "How is she emotionally" "Grissom "you'll have to ask her" and she, unlike other women who've been on the show who constantly bug him with their problems, and can't take care of their own issues, decided to take care of her 'ghosts' and not drag him down. And the LH night, he was talking about the case, her grandaughter, and his marriage proposal to Sara, and when he was finished with his good deed, he went home to Sara, and told her all about it! Grissom has helped many people on the show Greg, Nick, Warrick and Cath, he's a kind/stellar guy. He's friends with many women, but his heart is Sara. Did you not see 'Ala Cart" when Ecklie asked them both how long they'd been in a relationship?, and even the deleted scene in 'GDC' Cath asked "how long have you and Sara been together" Cath even told him "go after her" he replied "she wouldn't want that" Cath goes "what do you want" so she's 100% behind them, she's been friends to them both..& the apt. was their's they are in touch and will be reunited soon!

A GSR timeline~
http://csiwiki.cbs.com/page/Grissom+and+Sara

 

[sidlewannabee]

GSR are soulmates?!?!?! Wow, I suppose that is why Grissom was all concerned about LH!!! Yep that is right... he didn't inform Sara of anything... and was LH's ALIBI. Yet, he has a girlfriend. What I don't get is if Grissom is the love of Sara's life... why did she leave him a LETTER? Why didn't she say goodbye to him in person? More important why didn't he follow her. I'm just curious... considering that soulmates usually have communication down.

I say bring on LH and Grissom because there is evident chemistry between the couple!!!! And I swear he was on the phone with her at the end of the last episode.

Then again, catnip would be rather interesting as well. I loved the angst that was displayed in Redrum!

And MrsWillows... I miss the Grillows friendship myself! They had a great friendship, and it's time to see more of it.

Well, I agree 100% with everything you said desertwind.
Okay, waiting I am going to answer all of your questions as best as I can. Grissom is friends with Lady Heather. If you have a friend and your friend is hurt. Don't you want to help them? Aren't you concerned about them? Just because Grissom wants to help his friend that happens to be a girl doesn't make him in love with her. it makes him a good guy. Next question. Grissom is a guy, so of course he didn't tell Sara anything because he didn't want Sara to worry. He didn't think there was anything to tell her. But he realized he was wrong when he found out she was jealous. So he told her everything. it turns out Sara simply read too much into the situation. Grissom spent the night talking to Lady Heather. As someone already said they are old friends. they had a lot to talk about considering he hadn't seen her for a year. In season 7 when Grissom went on his sabbatical, he left Sara a letter. Then he came back. Sara only saw it fitting to right him a letter. She will come back soon. Letters are little notes to them. it is kind of like writing poetry to each other. Goodbyes are very hard to do in person. Her kiss was her goodbye, at least for a little while. He didn't follow her because she told him not to. He trusts her when she said she would be back. Plus they have been in contact. So if there is anything wrong he can go see her or talk to her. They have each other's number. If you guys have any more questions let me know and i will answer them for you.

 

[starzsgirl]

Re: The Great Ship Debate

But, and I'm speaking from experience in talking to a lot of GSR fans, when a ship becomes canon, [most of the time] the fans become a little... cocky. I, honestly don't mean to offend anyone by saying that, but in my experience, it's true. I think that's yet another reason why I can't stand GSR. A lot of the fans have ruined it for me. That, amongst other things.

I completely agree. To me it seems that people can't have opinions about an ep without getting told they are wrong because GSR is the end all be all. Not everyone wants to read about things that don't even pertain to the ep being discussed. I've run into a few GSR fans that love to put others down because they don't like GSR, and not that they have said anything bad.

I really think there should be some respect from that side of the field to others who don't want to read or hear about it all the time. Many don't say bad things about GSR, but are lumped in because they feel that so many "antis" say things to piss them off.

I don't like GSR for the reasons that Zodiac stated, plain and simple. Respect is earned, and by giving respect one obtains respect. Cannon or not, endorsed by the writers and producers or not, there is no reason to put people down or treat them horribly because they don't see things the same way.

 

[sidlewannabee]

Re: The Great Ship Debate

I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have respect for every ship out there whether i like it or not i still respect them. I f I said something to offend someone than i apologize. I was merely stating my opinion. I was a Snickers fan in the beginning, then i swaped over to GSR because I realized that I liked them together. I really wish we could all not get offended. We all have one thing in common and that is that we like CSI. Isn't that enough. I mean do we have to argue over whose ship is better. I mean we are all allowed to dream and fantasize about things that might or might not happen. I admit that when someone puts my ship down then i am quick to protect my ship. i don't mean to be it just usually happens. i want Sara back so that we can each have our ships the way we like them.

 

[Desertwind]

I'm a bit confused as well, I was not offending anyone, just talking about the ep. we'd just seen, and I was "quoting" lines from the show, how is that in anyway construed as offending another fan? this is in fact the 'ship debate" and who ever likes or doesn't like whatever ship, that's their business, for me if it was a twosome, I didn't care for, I would have absoutely no interest in commenting on that ship, because it wouldn't involve me:vulcan:

 

[Adzix]

GSR are soulmates?!?!?! Wow, I suppose that is why Grissom was all concerned about LH!!! Yep that is right... he didn't inform Sara of anything... and was LH's ALIBI. Yet, he has a girlfriend. What I don't get is if Grissom is the love of Sara's life... why did she leave him a LETTER?

lmao. somebody had too much coffee today

well, i think they are soulmates. you don't have to be exactly the same as your partner in everything to be one. i mean, how boring would that be?

Grissom is a complex character. yup, he totally neglected Sara in TGTBATD, i agree. but boyfriends do that, they screw up sometimes. they are not perfect, none of them. and don't forget how much he screwed up with LH in LHB. he accused her of murder just after he spent a night with her. i think that was kinda worse than not telling Sara he is gonna be gone for a night to save his ex's life, don't ya think?

I've run into a few GSR fans that love to put others down because they don't like GSR, and not that they have said anything bad.

and i've run to a bunch of anti-s who did the same to GSR people. i don't think there should be a distinction of pro- or anti- in this case, whatsoever. there are people who like to make others feel bad no matter what pairing they like. saying things like this only stirs things further.

 

[Waiting]

Adzix heheh... I didn't have too much coffee!!! LOL But you are right... Boyfriends do screw up! I will give you that one!
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The last I checked this is a debate thread? I'm by no means trying to piss anyone off or irk them or stir the pot, but I'm by no means going to stay quiet when I don't agree with a poster. I'm not aiming this comment at anyone in particular it's just a general comment… but in this case it was a GSR fan that started this one up! So if you want to rub things in... Or be cocky because your ship is supposedly canon even though Sara is off air; it's only normal to expect comments back on a debate thread. I swear I'm not bashing... but it's true you have a set of people who don't care for GSR, and then another group who love the ship! But I have seen it time and time again... where GSR is rubbed in faces.

This thread is fair game for opinions and opinions that totally disagree. It's my opinion that Sara and Grissom aren't soul mates. I don't care who said it! It's not a hit on that ship... just the way I feel. I'm sure people don't get catnip, but I love that ship! I don't see GSR, and there are too many holes in that ship for me to see it as something solid. I understand Grissom writing Sara a letter, but he also knew he was going to be returning! He left on good terms… happy! Yet, Sara leaves without a word... writes him a letter telling him not to follow her that she has to work out her life. Yet, Grissom is apart of her life!!!!! Not to mention, that Grissom hasn't even gone to see her! Isn't Sara his fiancé... yet he's not concerned enough to go visit her? Going by canon here not speculation.

Personally, I find GSR unhealthy. Sara spent years chasing after Grissom basically losing herself in the process. To me, she has always lived her life in someone else's shadows. Or looking for others to make her happy. That is unhealthy. And Grissom did say that they had been in a relationship for 9 years... but he was talking friendship as part of the relationship. I think Sara's answer is more on target... which would be 2 years. Honestly I think Grissom would say he's in a relationship with all of his staff!! He's close to them all.

I'm not saying GSR isn't real because obviously they are together or shall I say WERE together. Truth is Sara is elsewhere, left Grissom to work on herself. I admire Sara for that... the road she is going down won't be an easy one. Because by the time she is ready, it’s likely that Grissom might have moved on! It’s a risk Sara had to take. But to me, GSR isn't anything at the moment... perhaps just hanging in the air. Unknown really what is going on with them... so to me I don't see a romance. And, I have never viewed them as soul mates! Perhaps after she grows and finds her true identity... I will feel differently about GSR.

I don’t buy Catherine being all for Sara and Grissom as an item; again I disagree because she did say... "Fishing off the company peer... is just asking for trouble." On that same note she did say a lot about Heather and Grissom. According to Catherine, Heather has been the only one to get under Grissom's skin, and can play mental chess with him. She went on to say something about Terri Miller who wasn't enough of a challenge. So in theory, I think Catherine feels there is a lot of chemistry between Heather and Grissom!

As far as Lady Heather and Grissom are concerned, Heather doesn't throw her problems on Grissom!!!! (Off topic for a moment… but Sara has unloaded her personal problems on Grissom. Let’s see he’s covered for while she had a drinking problem. She told him about her family! But, honestly good for her! Sometimes you need to let things out to someone. I think it’s normal to do that with someone you trust. But Sara willingly told her own personal issues with him.) Anyways back to LH… Grissom willingly takes on her issues because he wants to. In the Good, The Bad, and the Dominatrix, he showed up at the hospital after Catherine called him. Dropped everything to attend to Heather. And, sorry but Sara had every reason to be jealous and threatened!!! He didn't communicate any of this to her, yet they supposedly lived together? WOW!!! Then he went over to Heather's... and was her alibi! Again... he has a girlfriend, and most guys that are in a committed relationship won't be at another woman's house until all hours of the morning. And, I seriously doubt the last thing that was on Grissom's mind was Sara!!! He wasn't talking about proposals and such with Heather. He was worried about Heather!!! He was so caught up in her case, that he went out of his way to get Jerome to change his mind about Heather's visitation rights with her granddaughter.

Heather and Grissom have so much chemistry that even others see it!!!! Like Catherine! Yet GSR went by unnoticed?!?!?!?! That should say something big time... when his co-workers are clueless. Especially if Catherine failed to pick up on it.

I'm sure Grissom has feelings for Sara. I'm not denying that. I just see a lot more chemistry elsewhere!!! It’s not over until it’s over. In RL, people break up, separate, and divorce all the time! You never know what can or will happen on a drama show! I personally think Grissom moves on! BTW, I was never offended! People are entitled to the way they feel regardless if you are for GSR or not! I happen to like this thread it’s interesting to see what everyone thinks! I say… as long as we debate nicely… there shouldn’t be a problem!

 

[Adzix]

^ oh i never said it was you that ever done anything wrong, Waiting. personally, i value your comments a lot. you have some great spot-on points that make sense.

i have to say that i'm not the right person to go on a GSR vs. GLH debate b/c i ship them both. lol

i totally agree that there is a whole lot of chemistry between Grissom and Heather, and sometimes it is even more sizzling than GSR. but i came to love the Grissom and Sara pairing just as much. they have a lot more moments i can chew on and it's fun.

believe me, i know how you feel. i used to be not very enthusiastic towards GSR some time ago. but b/c it was part of the show, i came to like it. and now it became one of the reasons i love the show, not the other way around.

but i'd like to point something else out. before sara came to view, grissom wasn't in a serious relationship for years. he's never came close to marrying anybody, and we never heard of any of his previous g/f's. we've seen him screweing up with Terri Miller on a first date. we've seen him being a jerk towards LH. we've seen him being an a$$ towards Sara.

a conclusion to all this could be only one: he is not good at relationships, period. same with sara i must say. but the lone fact that they stayed together so long, despite their differences and screw-ups (on both sides) is a good indicator that they both finally found a person who could put up with them. AND, they are able to forgive each other, b/c frankly, they both suck at communicating and they know it.

btw, the reason why Sara told grissom about her issues was mostly b/c grissom insisted on it both as a friend and her boss. she screwed up at work, and he needed to know why.

 

[Waiting]

conclusion to all this could be only one: he is not good at relationships, period. same with sara i must say. but the lone fact that they stayed together so long, despite their differences and screw-ups (on both sides) is a good indicator that they both finally found a person who could put up with them. AND, they are able to forgive each other, b/c frankly, they both suck at communicating and they know it.

Oh I like that! That is very nicely put!

Again... they could be together because it's a matter of comfort and just settling. BTW.... I love to hear what you have to say too!

 

[Adzix]

^ thank you i love it when we can still be friends on this board, even though we might have different views on some aspects of the show. it makes the discussion a lot more pleasurable.

 

[Desertwind]

Another view, it is about theories and opinions and what one see and perceives and that word "chemistry" is used quite a bit, and I see strong chemistry between Grissom and Sara, so hot that it burns through the screen, those look's the suggestive comments, the work ethic they, to me sizzle, like no other twosome on this show, and that word 'chemistry' also changes like the wind, and it doesn't equal commitment love or marriage:borg:he's never said "lets get married" to any other women" and, this character is a slow deliberate, methodical man hardly impeteous or impulsive, and takes his time to make a decision, that he's positive about. All couple have their issues, and they've got there's, but in the long run, putting 2+2 together and Billy Petersen signing on for S/9, and Jorja saying on her KTLA interview that "I'm coming back, I just can't say how or when" I think the final curtain call for them is they'll both leave together and return to San Francisco, where she is now, and BTW, they are in touch, the 'final call' in last week's ep. and his smile told it all!! so it's not over till it's over!!! and a footnote on LH, if he's so taken with her, and they live in the same town Vegas, why did 3 years pass without them contacting one another?, could it be they had no interest in seeing each other? and now another year has passed. this doesn't sound like a positive future.