The Great Ship Debate - CSI:Crime Scene Investigation

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I'm down with the Jim/Sofia thing. They wouldn't be my OTP, but I don't mind the thought of them together.

This proves once again that shipping is subjective. I've thought it from the start. In fact, I've recently read a fic where no names were used, just subtle hints as to which pairing that the story alluded to. It was interesting to read the reviews to see which pair people thought it was. It was all over the place. There were Grillows, GSR, Yobling, Sandle, Snickers...list goes on and on. I really enjoyed it.

I like the subjectivity of it all. I like to form opinions about ships based on their interactions and I like not being told to like something, which is why I prefered the pre-canon days where shippers could interpret ambigous scenes as evidence for their pairing. I liked speculating. It made watching the show way more fun than it is now.

I don't like the way things are now, where the writers are practically shoving GSR at us these days, which is fine for some, but not for me, not just because I admantly oppose GSR, but also that there leaves little to the imagination. I think I'd feel the same way if it were Grillows that was the canon, and I love the thought of Grissom and Catherine together. But if Grillows was canon, would I still enjoy deciphering their interactions and speculating about the two of them? I wouldn't like it as much because I wouldn't be able to say things like 'Ooh, Grissom misses Catherine's tush...he so has a thing for her.' If they were canon, it'd be more like 'Well, duh. Of course he missed her tush. They are together.' Personally, I prefer the speculation because I get to use my imagination. I like using my imagination.

I am curious though, are there GSR shippers who share my views about speculation? Do you enjoy being able to see blatent proof of your ship or do you miss wondering about events that could underly your ship? An example that comes to mind would be that scene in "Prium non nocre" (the dead hockey player). Would you have enjoyed Grissom's line about beauty as much if you knew that they had been together all along?
 
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what do you guys think of Wedges?
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As in Wendy/Hodges? I don't see it. Hodges is so gay, he has much more of a vibe with Greg and Nick imo.

And he doesn't seem to be Wendy's type either... don't want to get yelled at for making everyone gay but the scene where she practically asked Catherine out? Oh, and she transferred from Frisco... do the math ;) Other than that, she checked Nick out, didn't she?
 
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i'm not the biggest fan of wedges but i dont really concider it a big ship. it has the background characters so i don't mind it. dont care if it happens or doesnt.

27days!! i completely agree with you!!! i loved then old days when every ship had scenes. and you could brain storm and still have hope. but now, with GSR, it's just GSR. for my ship, we've FINALLY gotten some moments. but, now we've had to dig deeper to find moments and meanings. because GSR is getting all the attention and all the scenes, it's leaving us with nothing and it's honestly the WORST.

i was SOOOO happy when Nick had that flashback of sara and almost started to cry, and i LOVED when NICK found her!! that was a HUDGE snickers moment.

but GSR's still over it all. We had that GREAT story line and awesome scene... but still it ended up with GSR. so now, we're just hoping that Nick has feelings for sara (which i think is true).

Sandles are having a couple scenes now and i'm really happy about that. i'm not a sandles shipper but i'm happy they're getting some scenes. greg and sara have a great friendship and i really love seeing them interact.

hopefully they'll have some more variation. like.. GRILLOWS! i miss those guys together... i love those guys together. they have such chemistry and i couldn't belive it when i found out that they weren't actually married in the beginning.
 
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Yeah... There hasn't been much for purejoy (or grillows) lately because we barely have scenes with Gil and Cath anymore. :/

For me, that's the only way you can put a hold on their chemistry. And I guess they're doing that so they can somehow pull the attention to GSR.
 
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Agree. I don't like any ship with Grissom is it but Catherine has definitely more chemistry with him than Sara. For what it's worth she has more chemistry with Sara than Grissom does. But well, to each their own...

I just wish they'd feed the other ships a little more, even if they just have ordinary scenes, it sucks to have Sara and Grissom constantly together in scenes and rarely with anyone else anymore. A lot of the team spririt got lost with that GSR thing.
 
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I totally agree with that. Ever since the GSR thing, the dynamics of the enitre team have been drastically reduced, however I do have to say that the writers have made an effort to get the team spirit back, what with the go carts, but even then, the team spirit is at an all time low. But, the problem that I have with that scene is that while everyone is having a blast driving around in the go carts, Sara is on the sidelines, watching. I felt bad for her because I know what it is like to be left out, especially for something that you can't help, like an injury. I think that hurt the writers attempt to restore team unity because the entire team wasn't happy.

On another note, I too wish that they'd feed the other ships, even if it was just a normal case-talk scene. I could get so much out of the way characters interacted with each other. And the constant GSR scenes have been stifling to non-GSR shippers. In TCCFS, I was glad that we only saw Grissom for 45 seconds and that he was with Wendy in those 45 seconds, instead of Sara. Same thing with Sara's short scene with Greg in the locker room. It was nice to see that they could still interact with other characters.

As for Wedges...I think I may be on board for that. It's so awkward that it's cute.
 
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I'm waiting to see how Wedges goes before I pick a side, too. Hodges is such a dork, so he could make it work... or totally screw it up. Hehe.
 
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lmao... i love hodges. and wendy's really nice. but, yeah.. i dont know waht to think yet.

but yeah... that whole 'GSR' thing is really annoying. because.. they GET the scenes, they ARE together. and that leaves us (Grillows, Snickers, Sandels) with nothing because they always make grissom and sara WORK together to! no matter what, we HAVE to see GSR. i dont like GSR, but i'm getting really annoyed with it because they are having these 'bed room' scenes and stuff, and they are still working togehter. like, if ANYTHING.. have grissom and sara together BUT STILL LET THE TEAM TALK TO THEM. like, grissom and sara were together through out all of season 7.. and nick and sara hardly worked together. it wasn't til the end when they actually had a conversation.

it's annoying. i think when sara leaves... it'll start to clear up a little more. the soap opera of CSI leaves but i really hope she does come back;)
 
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And you'd think that since Grissom and Sara do have those bedroom scenes, he, as the supervisor, would have had the insight to see that any case that they worked on together, would be a conflict of interest. I know that the only ship that TPTB care about these days is GSR, but really, have some common sense.

Case point: "The Accused is Entitled" where the female lawyer calls to attention Sara's crush on her boss and how it could have jeopardized the case.

You would think that as a supposed genius, Grissom would remember that fiasco and say, "Hey, honey, I can't work this case with you cuz it could end up screwing the lab over in court."

That's another one of the things that bugs me about how the writers wrote the GSR relationship. Besides the fact that they wrote him as uncharacteristically as possible, he goes and compromises his own integrity and the integrity of the lab, yet over the years, he's lectured others about compromising integrity. To me, that pretty much spells hypocritical.
 
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To be honest, I really thought, back in S1, they were going to get Griss and Cath together; which would have rocked. But people were saying "Oh, that means they'll get Nick and Sara together." Which... pretty much made me gag everytime I thought about it. Still does, actually. I just never saw the chemistry in SNickers or Sandle, for that matter. I mean, I can definitely see Greg and Sara as best friends, but nothing more than a brother/sister relationship. And in the beginning, I don't think Nick was too fond of Sara.

But, I've been over GSR since day one. There's just no appeal in that pairing, and I really believe it was one of the worst things to happen for the show. But, I supppose a lot of people would say the same if my OTP became canon. That's why I enjoy more subtlty, even if the pairing is canon. Because with nearly every ship, like GSR and the writers bascially force feeding it to us every episode since end of last season, it's bound to put a good number of people off. I just suppose you can't make everyone happy at the same time.

BTW, Wedges is cute, but I do agree that Hodges tends to give both Nick and Greg 'the look.' every once in awhile. Wouldn't surprise me if he's at least bi. And Brass/Sofia... eh, I just don't see it. Great team, but as a couple? Not so much.
 
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i thought grissom and catherine were together at first. i was so sad when i found out they werent!

well.. i LOVE snickers, so i dont really see that. but, i guess it's the same as me with GSR. i dont see anything there. but.. yet, they're together.

it must be pretty hard on the writer though. becuase, no matter what they do.. they still have pissed off people. like GSR is happening right now and i'm mad about it. but if (and when!) snickers does happen, the love, sandles, gsr, sonic, catnip.. they're all gonna be mad. so... it must be pretty hard.

but either way, i'm still holding strong for my ship. :) lol

yeah, about the 'grissom and hypocrite' thing... I COMPLETELY AGREE!! i was so happy when catherine pointed him on that (well.. not him and sara together but with him and lady h). i kinda wished they made the team a little more 'what the heck are you thinking grissom and sara' about GSR. like, they must be a little mad that they kept it in the dark for 2 years.

i know i would..
 
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And I thought I might just add this... Although I'm about as far away from a GSR shipper you can get, I can't help but feel bad for them cuz their ship is getting slammed a lot...

But then again, I can also relate to the other people's frustration because GSR has changed teh show so much.

Agh, why does everything have to be complicated? :p
 
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Purejoylove said:
And I thought I might just add this... Although I'm about as far away from a GSR shipper you can get, I can't help but feel bad for them cuz their ship is getting slammed a lot...

But then again, I can also relate to the other people's frustration because GSR has changed teh show so much.

Agh, why does everything have to be complicated? :p
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I know how you feel, I'm not a big shipper in general. But there's a point that has been crossed where so many people have gotten upset over something that is out of everyone's hands. And now with the writers strike in fully swing it's going to be tough if the scripts run out and a decission hasn't been reached.

Seeing as agreeing to disagree hasn't done much in the way of solutions either, sadly.

Debate is a healthy way of life, it brings up different points of view. Sadly debates can turn into wars and people get offended.
 
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I'd have to agree with you all. I, too, feel a bit bad for the GSR shippers; it's not their fault that their ship was the only one to become canon in the last 8 years. Yes, I know, I badmouth GSR, so call me a hypocrite if you must. Such is the life of a woman who's foot may one day need to be surgically removed from her mouth. ;)

But, and I'm speaking from experience in talking to a lot of GSR fans, when a ship becomes canon, [most of the time] the fans become a little... cocky. I, honestly don't mean to offend anyone by saying that, but in my experience, it's true. I think that's yet another reason why I can't stand GSR. A lot of the fans have ruined it for me. That, amongst other things.

And simply because my OTP is slash, some people tend to think it's inferior to any other pairing. Of course, I can't say whether or not I'd be just as cocky if The Love ever became canon; it's hard to say, seeing as us N/G fans have become somewhat desensitized to the harrassment. I think that should go for all slash/femmeslash fans, really. But, I know I'd be completely giddy if it ever did happen.
 
This hasn't been discussed for a long time, so with our CSI/Vegas ship locked in with Grissom/Sara, the awesome twosome/soulmates:drool: as stated by the CSI writer, Allen MacDonald [on our news files] and said their "in love and are "soulmates". Who on this show would you like to see together, now and feel they've got chemistry? I think it would be Cath and Warrick:thumbsup: They respect and honor one another and he's always got her back, and they work wonderfully together. Would you like to see Nick or Greg with a new girl?
 
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