The Great Ship Debate - CSI:Crime Scene Investigation

[gsrLOVE]

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Well - I'm sure everyone already knows, but if you don't, and you read this please don't throw rocks at me. :lol:

Gil Grissom, and Lady Heather. With her return. I.. Dislike it. I don't want her here. I want her in jail, for whipping a guy almost to death, for being the hot lady she is. I don't think anything will happen between her and Griss in the upcoming episode, and I don't think anything different is going to happen between GSR.. But, I hate the thought of LH and Grissom *puke* What, does he like being whipped at night? The last episode, where we see him have post-coital tea.. I had no choice but to think they had sex, and that's a terrible thought in my mind. Wether they did or not is up to speculation, but I believe they did. Just because he has never paid for sex (so he says) does not mean he did not have sex with LH.. She could've gave it to him for free :lol:

Nothing against LH, or (Melinda Clark) she's a very, very beautiful woman. Just not for Grissom. I can't even imagine him in bed with hot wax being poured on him or something I don't think it's wrong (being a dominatrix, or being into that kind of stuff) I just don't think it's neccessary for the writers to make us believe anything went on between them.. They don't even have any chemistry

I mean, geez, the bone specialist had more chemistry with Grissom. I didn't like her either. She made me cringe

I want CatNip.

Anyway, that was my rant.. I hope that wasn't very confusing, cause I kinda went all over with that one.. And likely left out some stuff I wanted to say.

 

[Waiting]

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I had no choice but to think they had sex, and that's a terrible thought in my mind. Wether they did or not is up to speculation, but I believe they did. Just because he has never paid for sex (so he says) does not mean he did not have sex with LH.. She could've gave it to him for free

Hahah...I'm so laughing right now. I believe I read somewhere that it was possible that LH and Grissom had sex, but according to WP...they didn't. Or that was his thoughts. I read that somewhere...but I'm not going to look for it!!!!

I don't know how i feel about LH and Grissom...I think she would be a bit wild for him as well, but I do like the idea of Grissom being paired up with someone that he doesn't work with. Personally, I would think that LH would only strength GSR. But that is my opinion.

BTW...not only did LH whip that guy...so also killed him. I believe she made it look like self defense. I personally like LH episodes...they provide great entertainment.

And gsrLOVE... I so want some catnip too! After seeing the episode redrum...its like I'm addicted for more angst between them.

I didn't think anyone was being ignored on purpose, I know you are all nice people, I was just wondering why other ships weren't discussed. I personally don't feel strongly enough about GSR to argue it one way or another, but there are some ships I can talk about until my face turns blue, lol.

Yeah sometimes this thread moves fast...and I just noticed your post. I think GSR gets a lot of attention because they are canon. What ships do you prefer?

 

[eggbe4thechicken]

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What, does he like being whipped at night?

Have to ask Sara. :lol:

I can't even imagine him in bed with hot wax being poured on him or something

You can't? I can. *smug*


In the last ep she was in she slept with another guy, granted it was to get a DNA sample, which totally makes me feel rather ill, but if you are 'persuing' someone, would you sleep around blatantly in their face? Maybe to get their attention I suppose, but it didn't seem that way. In the first two eps she was in I will honestly say I did see the flirting, so I understand why people ship them, after all they did have...tea. :lol:

Spoiler: upcoming

Not sure if this should be in a spoiler box, but I may change my mind in the upcoming episode, depends how things work with her meeting Sara. If she's a bitch towards Sara, that will be sooo false IMO. I'm looking forward to seeing how things map out in that ep.

So voila. Did I make any sense? Probably not.

ETA:

Hahah...I'm so laughing right now. I believe I read somewhere that it was possible that LH and Grissom had sex, but according to WP...they didn't. Or that was his thoughts. I read that somewhere...but I'm not going to look for it!!!!

I've read that too. He said in an interview that Grissom hadn't had sex for 10(??) years, until Sara came along.

 

[loki]

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Yeah sometimes this thread moves fast...and I just noticed your post. I think GSR gets a lot of attention because they are canon. What ships do you prefer?

Lol, yeah I've seen that :lol:
I know GSR has been getting a lot of attention lately because they're cannon, but... they've been cannon all season... too much GSR talk makes it a little played out IMO. My OTP it The Love, lol, but lately I've been into Wendy/Hodges

And I agree, I LOVE LH, but not for Grissom. She's beautiful and she totally kicks ass, but I couldn't support a relationship between her and Grissom. *shrugs*

 

[Waiting]

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gregslabmouse said:
know GSR has been getting a lot of attention lately because they're cannon, but... they've been cannon all season... too much GSR talk makes it a little played out IMO. My OTP it The Love, lol, but lately I've been into Wendy/Hodges

Yeah...I think you are right regarding GSR...but I have this knack to say something when I don't agree!!! I haven't really thought about The Love, I guess because they seem more like brothers to me, but I do like Wendy/Hodges!!! They remind me of PureJoy actually. I mean in Lab Rats she talked to hodges the way Catherine talked to Grissom. Notice I said talked...because its rare to seem them together now! <--Cath and Grissom that is!

 

[Desertwind]

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OK, I can relate to the Gris/LH, in the fact that when she first appeared. I thought wow, she's intriguing and different.. with her exotic clothing and tons of make-up, tinted hair..and bizzare profession.. and strange little knick-knacks in her house, and he was of course attracted to her..'you've got lovely lips' the only thing he really ever said to her that was sensual, then and none of the G/LH shippers EVER have an answer to this.. remember when he drove by her house and stopped briefly and looked at it, he right then and there went' 'uh-uh' she's not for me and then we never saw her and apparently neither did he for 3 frickin' years WHY???? and if they did sleep together. it must have not been that great.... my theory!! then when Brass said "an old 'FRIEND' not old girlfriend or old lover" and I highly doubt the 'friend' term either.. I saw a different LH, she was sleazy.. and he was apalled.. under no circumstances, could I ever sleep with the guy who killed my daughter.. YUCK.. no morals and then at the end beating some one to death.. EWWWW so she has a violent side..& he abbors violence, and the 'hug' from him in the last scene was out of despair, and pity and disgust, to make her stop.. and he as well, saw a totally different side and was turned off by her behavior, it was certainly not a romantic gesture .. and I thought she was just plain creepy she runs a house of 'whatever' and he's not interested in her 'job' at all he'd be constantly snooping and sniffing around trying to find evidence on something.....and do we want our man with a 'nice term' "lady of the night" isn't he more classy than that?.....and the buzz.. just rumors, is she's going to congratulate GSR and be glad for them.. these two were NEVER a match .. in any ways..shape nor form.. and that's a wrap .. and also my views so, no brutal attacks for my opinions..theories..ideas thank you very much!!

 

[loki]

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Yeah...I think you are right regarding GSR...but I have this knack to say something when I don't agree!!! I haven't really thought about The Love, I guess because they seem more like brothers to me, but I do like Wendy/Hodges!!! They remind me of PureJoy actually. I mean in Lab Rats she talked to hodges the way Catherine talked to Grissom. Notice I said talked...because its rare to seem them together now!

Haha, I've never looked at Wendy/Hodges that way, but you're right, it does seem like that, lol. I'm not sure if I want to get into a debate about The Love though, lol, cuz I'd never shut up about it and you guys would get tired of listening to me but there IS a lot there that makes me think they're closer than they seem... *shrugs*

ETA: to reply to gsrLOVE :lol:

I agree with about most of that, lol. I think Grissom being against paying for sex makes him a bit against LH too. I don't think there was ever a love connection there, it seemed like a lust thing, but Grissom knows better than to just go rampaging around in a relationship just for that. He was intrigued by her, and he was attracted to her, but I don't think there was any real romance there. I'm looking forward to her return, maybe we can see if Sara's the jealous type

 

[Waiting]

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Haha, I've never looked at Wendy/Hodges that way, but you're right, it does seem like that, lol. I'm not sure if I want to get into a debate about The Love though, lol, cuz I'd never shut up about it and you guys would get tired of listening to me but there IS a lot there that makes me think they're closer than they seem... *shrugs*

Hahaha...well I see stuff regarding Catnip that makes me think they are closer than what they appear. Wow... Nick did get unnaturally upset regarding the reversed forensic thing. Then of course the catnip dancing was super hot in BTK1. I personally think Las Vegas has a very talented cast!

then and none of the G/LH shippers EVER have an answer to this.. remember when he drove by her house and stopped briefly and looked at it, he right then and there went' 'uh-uh' she's not for me and then we never saw her and apparently neither did he for 3 frickin' years WHY????

Well I'm not a G/LH shipper but I think he paused at her house because he felt responsible for thinking she was a suspect of a crime she DIDN't commit. That is what I think that was about. Grissom was intrigued by her, but their lifes are way to different...but more importantly I think Grissom respected that.

if they did sleep together. it must have not been that great.... my theory!! then when Brass said "an old 'FRIEND' not old girlfriend or old lover"

According to WP they didn't sleep together. They didn't have a fling, and beside I think it would be unprofessional for her to be introduced as an old girlfriend...or old lover. But...regardless they never hit that level according to an article I read.

I saw a different LH, she was sleazy.. and he was apalled.. under no circumstances, could I ever sleep with the guy who killed my daughter.. YUCK.. no morals and then at the end beating some one to deathe.. EWWWW so she has a violent side..& he abbors violence, and the 'hug' from him in the last scene was out of despair, and pity and disgust, to make her stop.. and he as well, saw a totally different side and was turned off by her behavior, it was certainly not a romantic gesture

Your right his hug wasn't romantic in nature at all, but I still think it was friendly in nature. I think he felt for the pain she just experienced in losing a daughter. Grissom isn't heartless. Of course she did things that were very brash and morally wrong. Not to mention illegal. But I think he realized she was in the utterly lowest place emotionally.

she runs a house of 'whatever' and he's not interested in her 'job' at all he'd be constantly snooping and sniffing around trying to find evidence on something

Yeah...I never saw Grissom and LH together they are just way to different, but I still think he respected her. Weird...but that has been the impression that I got from him since day one LH came on the show.

 

[sarahvma]

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19ams87 said:

I'm sorry, but CATHERINE? Catherine has broken every rule in the book.

Lmao, thats why I love her! I think what Waiting meant was that Cath has had MUCH more relationship experience than Gil (and possibly Sara.) so she would know how to handle a relationship with someone at work perhaps better than them? I dunno, thats kinda what I think.

GSR needs to be revealed. *jigs* can't wait till it is. Woot.

Being with a lot of men doesn't equal experience. Catherine still seems like a teenage girl with every new guy she meets. No matter how you want to spin it, Catherine shouldn't be anyones' moral compass or guide in just about any department - parenting, appropriate attire in the workplace, hitting on co-workers, dating suspects, investigating personally-affecting crimes, accidentally causing the death of a man because you decided the husband needed to know his dead wife was having an affair, using the lab for a private paternity test, accepting bribe money from your mobster father, throwing lab techs out of their own labs so you can perform another private procedure on lab time with lab money, pulling Sara off a case to investigate it for you...

If Catherine has a problem with GSR, after how much Grissom has had to cover up for her, I'm going to have one permanently raised eyebrow.

I agree with Dee. Asking people to back something up is the entire purpose of a debate. If you don't have a well-founded argument, it says that you must not be very clear of your opinion.

 

[loki]

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Hahaha...well I see stuff regarding Catnip that makes me think they are closer than what they appear. Wow... Nick did get unnaturally upset regarding the reversed forensic thing. Then of course the catnip dancing was super hot in BTK1. I personally think Las Vegas has a very talented cast!

Yeah, I'm too much of a Nick/Greg shipper to ship CatNip, but I see where you're coming from

Nick got pretty unnaturally upset when Greggo was beat up too, even hit a guy

And Hell yeah Las Vegas has a talented cast! I second that all the way!

 

[Waiting]

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Being with a lot of men doesn't equal experience. Catherine still seems like a teenage girl with every new guy she meets.

Are you joking? I don't see her acting like a teenage girl when she is with a man. However...having Sara pawning away after her boss...is something a teenager would do towards...a teacher or something.

No matter how you want to spin it, Catherine shouldn't be anyones' moral compass or guide in just about any department - parenting, appropriate attire in the workplace, hitting on co-workers, dating suspects, investigating personally-affecting crimes, accidentally causing the death of a man because you decided the husband needed to know his dead wife was having an affair, using the lab for a private paternity test, accepting bribe money from your mobster father, throwing lab techs out of their own labs so you can perform another private procedure on lab time with lab money, pulling Sara off a case to investigate it for you...

Wow you opened a can of warms! hahah...first off cath didn't accept bribe money from her father. There was no bribe there...she didn't take that money to clear her father. So don't agree with you there.

She confessed to liking Warrick...whoopido! How many times had Sara hounded her BOSS to go out with her? The thing is...you obviously see all of Cath's bad things, but I can guarantee you none of them are perfect. And...I love them all for that. They wouldn't be the brillant cast if they were casted any different.

As far as being a parent...its obvious she isn't there the way she should be, but then we really don't get to see this side of her anymore. Its very rare...we just know lindsey exists. Doesn't mean she's a bad parent. And before you say she goes out drinking before she goes home...you tell me how many single parents don't go out after work occassionally to unwind and meet people.

About calling Sara over to help her with her assault...damn...I swear some of you act like these characters are perfect. I think Sara was more than willing to help, and her processing the room actually helped her case. So in light of things I don't find this a big deal...she needed a friend/co worker...and she reached out. Good for her.

Throwing lab techs out of the room in order to do something wrong was a plan that she needed to run with. I don't fault her here. This went past her control...and something she did with a team. If you think Keppler, Brass, and the commisioner didn't know...please. That was a team effort to get a suspect. Might not have been the right way to go about things, but her hands were tied. Sure she could have told her staff and got them mixed in something they really didn't need to mixed in. But sorry...no I don't agree she was in the wrong here. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Do you remember the time Catherine blew up the lab...surprised that wasn't on there. She was in charge of the investagation that led to her being the fault...yet she took the heat when in reality it wasn't necessarily her fault. She didn't leave the heat plate on, and placed the evidence where it belonged. She also went and apologized to Greg.

If Catherine has a problem with GSR, after how much Grissom has had to cover up for her, I'm going to have one permanently raised eyebrow.

I personally hope you have to raise an eyebrow then!!! :lol: Cause I think she has every right to be upset with their inner office affair. NOt because she wants him...but the way they went about it...wasn't right. Not to mention Cath has covered Grissom butt at times too. Read above in the thread its mentioned.

I agree with Dee. Asking people to back something up is the entire purpose of a debate. If you don't have a well-founded argument, it says that you must not be very clear of your opinion.

I agree...though sometimes I do think its overboard...because at times its very clear what someone's opinion is!

 

[sarahvma]

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Are you joking? I don't see her acting like a teenage girl when she is with a man. However...having Sara pawning away after her boss...is something a teenager would do towards...a teacher or something.

Every man we've seen her with has been an asshole. Sara has been able to sustain a longer relationship than Catherine while on the show. Actions, not words.

The problem is not that any one of Catherine's actions are horrible, but that she keeps doing them over and over, despite warnings from Grissom or her own conscience. If Catherine knew 100% that the money from her dad wasn't a bribe, why did she consult a lawyer? Why did she bother telling Grissom about it? Conscience. And Grissom immediately interpreted it as what it could potentially be.

Throwing lab techs out of the room in order to do something wrong was a plan that she needed to run with. I don't fault her here. This went past her control...and something she did with a team.

What about the personal rape kit where she told Hodges and Wendy to screw off?

Do you remember the time Catherine blew up the lab...surprised that wasn't on there. She was in charge of the investagation that led to her being the fault...yet she took the heat when in reality it wasn't necessarily her fault. She didn't leave the heat plate on, and placed the evidence where it belonged. She also went and apologized to Greg.

Which is why I left it out. I never saw that as being something horrible Catherine did, because she didn't do it on purpose, and she accepted responsibility.

But more importantly...each character has their faults.

Yes, but unlike Catherine, when other characters have faults - Sara getting too personal on cases, Sara showing up to work after having something to drink, Nick sleeping with the prostitute, Warrick's gambling... they're always addressed, talked through, etc.

And often, it doesn't happen again. Or if it does, it's less involved or less extreme.

"Catherine, you can't work your husband's case" goes in one ear and out the other. Next time it comes up, she does it again. Without fail.

 

[loki]

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What about the personal rape kit where she told Hodges and Wendy to screw off?

I personally don't blame her for that. She thought she was RAPED, of course she's going to be moody, how can you get mad at her for that?!

*wonders why bashing Catherine is necessary to argue GSR*

 

[gsrLOVE]

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What about when she took a guy lusting over her, and ran with it? She told Sara to screw off when she was looking at the photos of the "naked" girl.

I don't think Catherine needs to be argued about, she isn't in the relationship.

However.. That Lady Heather.. *Grumbles*

 

[sarahvma]

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I personally don't blame her for that. She thought she was RAPED, of course she's going to be moody, how can you get mad at her for that?!

*wonders why bashing Catherine is necessary to argue GSR*

It isn't. The argument was made that if Catherine were having a relationship with a co-worker, she would handle it more professionally. I disagree, for the reasons that I'm stating.

As for the rape thing... *shrug* She chose to keep it private. She could've reported a rape, and she chose not to. Had she done that, she would've had the full sexual assault kit done in perfect legal view. In essence, Catherine told a young, impressionable female audience that if you're raped, you shouldn't call the cops and file a proper report because it's too "embarassing", and you should get co-workers to leave their jobs to cover it for you.

That, to me, isn't someone who would be more adept at handling a workplace romance.