Grissom rules
CSI Level Two
The new leader of the team should be Nick.He is more experienced than Greg as a CSI and works in the crime lab for over 11 years while Sara quit her job for a one and a half year.
Teamleader
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RocketScientist
Police Officer
I vote for a new person altogether.
Ray would be absurd choice and definitely jumping the shark.
Nick although the logical choice by far is being made unlikely as if you notice how they play the scene interactions now between Ray and Nick - Ray is explaining things to Nick, Sara everyone. So they have set the dynamic. They would need to have evolved this more clearly that Nick is in charge and Ray, although has the brains, does not have the experience. Hot-housing him like they have suggested does not make him on a par with Grissom, Nick, Cath etc!
I think they ought to shake it up with a new leader.
A strong, older CSI that they all look up to and seek advice from when they've stuck - it'd be brilliant if it was a genius micro-observer with razor sharp deductive powers like Sherlock Holmes was written like. Someone a notch above them even! The new BBC show "Sherlock" is way above CSI now. So is Criminal Minds.
Mind you I see they are going to have to get a new leading lady are they not? Not a man.
Now there is something that I cannot see a US TV show doing yet a sharper than the men older woman! They still show Ray as so much smarter than Cath and Sara - which irritates me.
I think CSI has lost it. There are logical inconstancies now (Nick attempting to saw a wooden pole 2ft from top, next scene David & Al getting head off a complete metal pole judging from the sound. Digging up axe & photo evidence without recording what state it was found in and where first). It's their fault they've educated us in forensics now ignore it to move the show along. So we end up with Starsky and Hutch. Everyone is getting shot and the scientists are man handling everyone and kicking in doors ahead of the uniforms.
Maybe they could make a new leader a detective again? Like Brass was incharge and the other shows? Gets very far from what made Vegas unique though......
Ray would be absurd choice and definitely jumping the shark.
Nick although the logical choice by far is being made unlikely as if you notice how they play the scene interactions now between Ray and Nick - Ray is explaining things to Nick, Sara everyone. So they have set the dynamic. They would need to have evolved this more clearly that Nick is in charge and Ray, although has the brains, does not have the experience. Hot-housing him like they have suggested does not make him on a par with Grissom, Nick, Cath etc!
I think they ought to shake it up with a new leader.
A strong, older CSI that they all look up to and seek advice from when they've stuck - it'd be brilliant if it was a genius micro-observer with razor sharp deductive powers like Sherlock Holmes was written like. Someone a notch above them even! The new BBC show "Sherlock" is way above CSI now. So is Criminal Minds.
Mind you I see they are going to have to get a new leading lady are they not? Not a man.
Now there is something that I cannot see a US TV show doing yet a sharper than the men older woman! They still show Ray as so much smarter than Cath and Sara - which irritates me.
I think CSI has lost it. There are logical inconstancies now (Nick attempting to saw a wooden pole 2ft from top, next scene David & Al getting head off a complete metal pole judging from the sound. Digging up axe & photo evidence without recording what state it was found in and where first). It's their fault they've educated us in forensics now ignore it to move the show along. So we end up with Starsky and Hutch. Everyone is getting shot and the scientists are man handling everyone and kicking in doors ahead of the uniforms.
Maybe they could make a new leader a detective again? Like Brass was incharge and the other shows? Gets very far from what made Vegas unique though......
First off they didn't bring in Ray to replace Grissom. They brought in LF to replace William Petersen. There is a huge difference here.
I voted for Nick. I think as characters go he's got the best chance for being the next supervisor. And showing your emotions shouldn't hinder someone from doing a great job. Grissom never showed his emotions and sometimes that effected and clouded his judgement.
Sara still has too much baggage to be the supervisor. First off she quit the job cause she was burned out. How can she be trusted to not quit again. As other's have commented she's had problems with Ecklie before.
As for Greg I don't think he's ready to be the supervisor yet. I think with some time in as assistant supervisor he would some day make a great supervisor. He's got the lab experience and the field experience which in my opinion would make a great leader. Someone who understands both sides. But first Greg needs to be given the chance to show he can lead and the writers haven't given him that chance yet.
Ray in my opinion would not make a good supervisor. He's got too many issues and secrets that are causing problems. Why won't he let Wendy take a DNA sample??? And the way he treats suspects?? The way he tried to choke the guy in Blood Moon that may be a result of ptsd but still you don't do that. As least Nick is getting help for his ptsd. Maybe if Ray got some help he might make a good team leader but not a supervisor or asst supervisor.
I agree with this and was thinking the same thing earlier.
I agree that he's not ready yet. And the writers have only given him that one tiny chance (in No Way Out) to show leadership and that's not enough yet. Well, I think there was one other episode where he was the lead CSI at a crime scene with Riley and it was just the two of them... but now that Riley's gone and Wendy's gone and wasn't allowed to be a CSI, Greg's got no one to have those kinds of scenes with.... except maybe Hodges and Henry, possibly Archie.
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I didn't consider this. At the time, he showed himself to be stern supervisor who handled the bureaucracy quite well. Grissom acted as his right hand with the science/forensic stuff Brass didn't get. Kind of like the opposite of the Grissom/Catherine relationship (though Catherine is by no means a slouch with the science). I could possibly see Brass and Nick acting in cooperation. Of course, this could just be an excuse to see more scenes with those two. :lol:
ComicCollect_NL
Witness
Dear all
Thanks for your reponse about this subject. This is best result I've seen of all the polls I've ever made.
Nick Stokes is a good CSI, I've got no doubt that realistically spoken that he'll be assigned to lead. However, is he willing to do this job. So far I experienced Nick Stokes as presented in the TV show.... I believe Nick prefer to be a specialist rather than becoming a leader. Remember Nick's feedback to his promotion as Catherine's assistant leader? He doesn't seem to be too enthousiastic about that position.... It's something like, "well, if I've got to be..." That's why I believe he won't do it... yet.
In real life that happens too. Having Langstrom as a leader should not be a surprise. It's really realistic. There are hell a lot of new employees, who can develop within a few years, while others are more experienced as stuck with in the same level for years and years. Those, who are working knows that I'm telling the truth!
Either way, many many has voted for Nick, I'd say.... give the public what they want! I'll watch CSI either way....
The reason I've chosen for Langstrom is a new dimension. Nick Stokes knows both Sara and Greg. It's no surprise that he step and risk his job for them. Langstrom, however, we'll get a conflict issue. Either directly face-to-face, or innerly a choice between stuck with rules, or cover in for a team member. These kind of things won't happen with Nick Stokes becoming the teamleader. I'm pleased see to him too to be leader, but not yet. The struggling with Langstrom and the experienced is more an interesting concept to me.
Thanks for your reponse about this subject. This is best result I've seen of all the polls I've ever made.
Nick Stokes is a good CSI, I've got no doubt that realistically spoken that he'll be assigned to lead. However, is he willing to do this job. So far I experienced Nick Stokes as presented in the TV show.... I believe Nick prefer to be a specialist rather than becoming a leader. Remember Nick's feedback to his promotion as Catherine's assistant leader? He doesn't seem to be too enthousiastic about that position.... It's something like, "well, if I've got to be..." That's why I believe he won't do it... yet.
In real life that happens too. Having Langstrom as a leader should not be a surprise. It's really realistic. There are hell a lot of new employees, who can develop within a few years, while others are more experienced as stuck with in the same level for years and years. Those, who are working knows that I'm telling the truth!
Either way, many many has voted for Nick, I'd say.... give the public what they want! I'll watch CSI either way....
The reason I've chosen for Langstrom is a new dimension. Nick Stokes knows both Sara and Greg. It's no surprise that he step and risk his job for them. Langstrom, however, we'll get a conflict issue. Either directly face-to-face, or innerly a choice between stuck with rules, or cover in for a team member. These kind of things won't happen with Nick Stokes becoming the teamleader. I'm pleased see to him too to be leader, but not yet. The struggling with Langstrom and the experienced is more an interesting concept to me.
Thanks for opening up the discussion.
Mmmm...this I would have to disagree with. I saw his reaction as flattered, but humble. Plain and simple. Same as when Catherine offered him Grissom's office. I think he's not that big on recognition and reward, but rather just getting the job done.
It's like when he told Grissom that he didn't care about the promotion to lead CSI. It was exactly that way of thinking that convinced Grissom that Nick was ready. He's not in it for the power or the glory...he just wants to get the job done right, and that is part of what a good leader is made of.
ComicCollect_NL
Witness
You're possibly right about Nick, but with the mysteries around Langstrom... a conflict between Langstrom and the other CSI members.
The relationship between Nick, Sara and Greg are so closely together, that Nick's willing to proof others wrong or cover it up once it's true. What would Langstrom do? What would other team members to convince Langstrom to reconsider his decision? Those kind of issues won't happen, if Nick's leading the team. That would be as traditionally as described earlier. Think about it....
The relationship between Nick, Sara and Greg are so closely together, that Nick's willing to proof others wrong or cover it up once it's true. What would Langstrom do? What would other team members to convince Langstrom to reconsider his decision? Those kind of issues won't happen, if Nick's leading the team. That would be as traditionally as described earlier. Think about it....
Speedystokesgirl
Judge
Having a conflict with your subordinates does not make for a good team leader.
Langston has anger issues and has shown insubordination. He doesn't really respect authority and runs roughshod at times.
To be a good team leader you have to be a 'good example' and with the way Langston handles things he isn't a good example. He'd be showing his 'team' that it's okay to choke someone into unconsciousness. It's ok to get so focused on one case you hurry through minor cases because it's not important to you.
Langston has shown that he doesn't trust the rest of them, the Jekyll case is a perfect example. How many times does Nick have to tell him to trust them? How can he be an effective leader when he can't trust them and Greg (or was it Sara) said it best when he said (not an exact quote) 'how can we trust him to have our back?' (In 'Dr. Who').
Nope, Langston would not make a good leader.
Nick, on the other hand, has shown to be fair and impartial. When Catherine promoted him what was he suppose to do? Jump for joy and cartwheels? :lol: He acted as he should, professionally.
Smokey is right. He wants to get the job done and he will protect his team and reprimand them when necessary. However, Catherine should have talked with Langston about the choking and did not. (Though the writers didn't write this, so there you go).
Langston thinks he knows everything and the tptb have 'dumbed down' all the characters on CSI :scream:.
Langston has anger issues and has shown insubordination. He doesn't really respect authority and runs roughshod at times.
To be a good team leader you have to be a 'good example' and with the way Langston handles things he isn't a good example. He'd be showing his 'team' that it's okay to choke someone into unconsciousness. It's ok to get so focused on one case you hurry through minor cases because it's not important to you.
Langston has shown that he doesn't trust the rest of them, the Jekyll case is a perfect example. How many times does Nick have to tell him to trust them? How can he be an effective leader when he can't trust them and Greg (or was it Sara) said it best when he said (not an exact quote) 'how can we trust him to have our back?' (In 'Dr. Who').
Nope, Langston would not make a good leader.
Nick, on the other hand, has shown to be fair and impartial. When Catherine promoted him what was he suppose to do? Jump for joy and cartwheels? :lol: He acted as he should, professionally.
Smokey is right. He wants to get the job done and he will protect his team and reprimand them when necessary. However, Catherine should have talked with Langston about the choking and did not. (Though the writers didn't write this, so there you go).
Langston thinks he knows everything and the tptb have 'dumbed down' all the characters on CSI :scream:.
CgrGrl
Witness
I think we are having a language barrier issue. I don't get what you mean by Nick's willingness to prove others wrong or be part of a cover-up.
RocketScientist
Police Officer
Absolutely. Very good point.
Nick is the only regular cast member in contention for the post.
Sara is still (presumably) not committed to being there full time. Now she could be if they had Grissom back in Vegas teaching or something. But I digress....
Greg, will be someday but not before Nick.
Ray, I agree with many who say too unstable and actually has not proved himself stable enough. Brains aside.
But it is true the replacement leading character does not have to be the shift supervisor.
After all LF is lead actor but not shift supervisor.
But I think they will be thinking of a replacing a leading lady. Otherwise there is only the uncertain Jorja.
Maybe they are think of Kate Sackroff for that?.......??? Now could *she* be the new detective in charge????? Well there's a thought??? hummm Brass would be brilliant but they may think it is going in circle.
kaylyne
Coroner
My vote for team leader goes to Conrad Ecklie! Demote him and bring him down to Graveshift Supervisor. Seriously! It would shake things up and we'd get to see him back on the screen on a regular basis. (I miss him!)
I think it would be great to see what kind of dynamic he would bring to the established team of CSIs. Can't you just imagine the Sara/Ecklie standoffs? Ray would humor him & play nice. Nick would be annoyed, but probably not butt heads too much. We'd get a chance to see how Greg would handle the change in command - would he be a "yes sir" guy, or would he stick up for himself & the rest of the team?
Yeah, I'd love to see Conrad back in charge.
I think it would be great to see what kind of dynamic he would bring to the established team of CSIs. Can't you just imagine the Sara/Ecklie standoffs? Ray would humor him & play nice. Nick would be annoyed, but probably not butt heads too much. We'd get a chance to see how Greg would handle the change in command - would he be a "yes sir" guy, or would he stick up for himself & the rest of the team?
Yeah, I'd love to see Conrad back in charge.
DragonFriend95
Lab Technician
Seconded!
It'd be great to see Ecklie back on a more regular basis- and it might remind the writers that in any form of relationship there will be conflict (which has been sadly lacking recently.)
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Personally, I would love to see them bring Sofia back (quiet Speedy! Let me dream!! :lol. She has the brains, the composure, and the experience. She was the assistant supervisor on day shift and was a former leading lady back in season 7. I could see her either take the actual supervisor position or become assistant to Nick. Both would be good.
Of course, chances of us ever seeing her again are probably nonexistent.
. She has the brains, the composure, and the experience. She was the assistant supervisor on day shift and was a former leading lady back in season 7. I could see her either take the actual supervisor position or become assistant to Nick. Both would be good.Of course, chances of us ever seeing her again are probably nonexistent.