**Spoiler Lab** S8 - Check Out What's On The Horizon!
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For me, it's a bit of both. I definitely think the franchise itself is getting a wee bit tired but as I watch Miami more regularly than the others, it's more evident to me for this show in particular.
inthewind said:
Just want to clarify that I wasn't referring to 'Miami Medical' but simply other newer shows (not necessarily NEW new but ones that started every year after CSI:Miami's 3rd season as that's where I feel the decline in substance began) that are far surpassing Miami with great storytelling. For example, 'Supernatural', 'Criminal Minds', 'NCIS:LA', 'The Mentalist', 'White Collar', etc. Should have clarified it more, my bad.
kala79 said:
Neither did anything else, really. From what I've seen, the ratings have stayed at about an average of 13 million viewers all year, - and you pointed out the decrease above - whether we've had new additions, characters leaving and coming back or romance (as these were the big ticket items this year).
Even now that we're getting closer to the finale and they're pulling out all the stops (Rebecca getting killed, Ryan being set up, Horatio's betrayal, Eric investigating the lab, Calleigh being near death), I don't anticipate a huge surge in viewership, but probably another loss after we hit the first few episodes of season 9 (if it's renewed, of course).
That being said, 13 million viewers on average is more than a lot of shows can say at this point (Look at the CW :lol: Jesus, I'm surprised they're still floating as a network) but it's interesting to see the steady decline since season 4 and one has to wonder whether it's because people have simply found something else to watch on Mondays - or nothing at all - as people change and find other interests, or whether the show itself this far down the line just can't keep up with the appeal it once had as the 'new media' generation rises.
As a fan, I'm going to watch until the end but I really hope the show doesn't go for 10 seasons unless the standard rises and they go back to making good television instead of worrying about cleavage. The spoilers I've seen so far are encouraging, because for one, I've never liked Rebecca Nevins and want her gone for good :lol: and two, because Jon should hopefully have some real meat to work with now that his character is being set up - without giving too much away - by someone the fan base has seen before.
Not really sure I care about this 'big betrayal' to plague Horatio or Calleigh being near death again (although the manner in which the episode plays out is intriguing for me) but stuff like the types of deaths we're supposed to see in 'Spring Breakdown' seem to show the roots of the show again, which I want to see. Of course, all of these episodes look great on paper but the true test will be to watch it play out on-screen. :lol:
Either way, I'm probably going to watch until the show's end. It's just been too big a part of my life for the past 8 years to let it go now. Kind of like an annoying little brother you love 70% of the time, but the other 30 you just want to wring his neck and tell him to "STOP THAT".
Oops, I feel like I'm rambling.
*goes to make breakfast*
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Florry86
CSI Level Three
I know I'm not part of this group of debate, but I thought I could share my own thoughts on the matter.
I for once think the whole CSI:Franchise is getting old. At first anything from it seemed so cool and let's not deny that lots people got to know and anjoy criminology and other forensic stuff because of the whole franchise. But now we have so many crime drama shows, that the whole franchise looks 100 years old compared to the new shows.
Miami, at least IMHO, had a better chance than the other two because, initially it had a perfect combination of good storylines (they were very realistic and good) and perfect interactions of the character. Also all the characters of the show were developed in such a lovely and realistic way, that I've come to love the show! Gosh, I think Duke Duquesne was possibly one of the best character development tools ever.
Then, as any other shows, it had to crumble on its own. TPTB became incapable of doing anything good. The storyline have become ridiculous ever since s4:
- the whole mole plotline which was pretty clear it was gonna be Nat since her very first appearence on the screen
- the whole Marisol's crappy cancer ( I never saw any woman suffering from cancer as beautiful as Alana De LaGarza....I swear that was utterly insulting to my eyes!!!)
- the whole Mala Noche nightmare.
I swear right after s4 I've been praying for an improvement on the show...I haven't seen it yet :brickwall:
The storylines keep getting more and more ridiculous. A show that wants me to believe a man can be flushed down in a toilet along with a CSI who keeps workign with a freaking bullet lodged in his temporal lobe certainly has gone beyond the unbelievabe and the ridiculous.
Not only this but the interactions between the characters have come to a point during s7 when I couldn't stand any of them. I won't even express how terrified I am of the idea the show destroyed all of its own characters and I won't even mention how it destroyed the reputation of its actors who I used to consider quite good in their job.
Also the whole romance hasn't helped the show, at least IMHO. I know most of you love the whole E/C stuff and as much as I don't like them I do my best to respect your opinions, but trust me if you don't like a couple I'm sure you'll never gonna like it especially when a show keeps mentioning and focusing on it especially when for another year you know the season finale will rotate on their so-called "defining moment" while the rest of the cast gets ignored.....as always.
I could go on much longer, but I'll spare you
I for once think the whole CSI:Franchise is getting old. At first anything from it seemed so cool and let's not deny that lots people got to know and anjoy criminology and other forensic stuff because of the whole franchise. But now we have so many crime drama shows, that the whole franchise looks 100 years old compared to the new shows.
Miami, at least IMHO, had a better chance than the other two because, initially it had a perfect combination of good storylines (they were very realistic and good) and perfect interactions of the character. Also all the characters of the show were developed in such a lovely and realistic way, that I've come to love the show! Gosh, I think Duke Duquesne was possibly one of the best character development tools ever.
Then, as any other shows, it had to crumble on its own. TPTB became incapable of doing anything good. The storyline have become ridiculous ever since s4:
- the whole mole plotline which was pretty clear it was gonna be Nat since her very first appearence on the screen
- the whole Marisol's crappy cancer ( I never saw any woman suffering from cancer as beautiful as Alana De LaGarza....I swear that was utterly insulting to my eyes!!!)
- the whole Mala Noche nightmare.
I swear right after s4 I've been praying for an improvement on the show...I haven't seen it yet :brickwall:
The storylines keep getting more and more ridiculous. A show that wants me to believe a man can be flushed down in a toilet along with a CSI who keeps workign with a freaking bullet lodged in his temporal lobe certainly has gone beyond the unbelievabe and the ridiculous.
Not only this but the interactions between the characters have come to a point during s7 when I couldn't stand any of them. I won't even express how terrified I am of the idea the show destroyed all of its own characters and I won't even mention how it destroyed the reputation of its actors who I used to consider quite good in their job.
Also the whole romance hasn't helped the show, at least IMHO. I know most of you love the whole E/C stuff and as much as I don't like them I do my best to respect your opinions, but trust me if you don't like a couple I'm sure you'll never gonna like it especially when a show keeps mentioning and focusing on it especially when for another year you know the season finale will rotate on their so-called "defining moment" while the rest of the cast gets ignored.....as always.
I could go on much longer, but I'll spare you
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MiamiWolfe
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That usually happens, IMO, when you over do something. One show is a big hit so you create more and more shows like that one to take advantage of the enthusiasm over the original show. The there is an overload and people get sick of all of it.
I miss Duke and I think he made Calleigh more human. And it was more about the crime and science and not the soap opera stuff.
The show, IMO, started going downhill when they broke away from the science and started the melodramatic stuff. They would carry that stuff out WAY too long and that particular storyline would dominate the crime and science. I especially hated the mole story arc because it was one of the first signs that the character of Ryan Wolfe was going to be mishandled and given the crappy story arcs.
Unusual but not realistic.
There was such anamosity between some of the characters (especially between Eric and Ryan) it not only got painful for me to watch but got away from what attracted me to the show to begin with; the TEAM and how they work together to solve the crimes and bring in the bad guys.
I also respect the opinions of those love this story arc but I agree; it is one of the story arcs that, IMHO, has detracted from the science and crime, and whole team aspect. It is very difficult for someone like me who is a fan of one of the characters not involved in this romance and the drama that goes along with it to see my favorites being ignored and underutilized while this story arc goes on and on with no signs of resolution.
I could go on much longer, but I'll spare you
I for one enjoyed reading and responding to your opinions
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greatfan
Captain
I too enjoyed the crime aspect,the solving of the crime and the team interaction.Once the show started to move away from that ,it moved to the more glamous and glitzy which I don't find appealing.
The lack of character interaction was painful,and like MiamiWolfe, I found the animosity extremely painful as well as distracting.
We now have seasonal near deaths(of the same character or characters),seasonal Ryan in trouble,can't be trusted,Natalia being sinfully ignored as well as Frank, unresolved romantic situations that have gone on far too long,etc.
I still hang in there because I hope and want to see improvement.
The final episodes sound exciting and I hope they live up to the hype and all of the cast have some shining moments and we can see again a great team effort in the solving of crimes as well as a united team ,one without the animosity and distrust.
The lack of character interaction was painful,and like MiamiWolfe, I found the animosity extremely painful as well as distracting.
We now have seasonal near deaths(of the same character or characters),seasonal Ryan in trouble,can't be trusted,Natalia being sinfully ignored as well as Frank, unresolved romantic situations that have gone on far too long,etc.
I still hang in there because I hope and want to see improvement.
The final episodes sound exciting and I hope they live up to the hype and all of the cast have some shining moments and we can see again a great team effort in the solving of crimes as well as a united team ,one without the animosity and distrust.
inthewind
CSI Level Two
:wtf::wtf:
I watched the NCAA final, saw a promo for Thursday's CSI. Saw no promos for next week's CSI Miami. That was strange, since the game pre-empted CSI M. I figured certainly they would show a promo of the show normally running in that time slot.
Jag Lady
Lab Technician
I was starting to think I was the only one who picked up on that!! An FBI agent comes in there, friendly as can be, brings a ton of federal money with her to pretty up the place, and NOBODY is the least bit suspicious??? :wtf:
NOBODY thought to do a background search on this woman?? And hey, I like Natalia just fine, but why didn't she get shown the door after betraying them, even if she DID give them a good review? Amen to that! Lost several of my friends to breast and lung cancer back in 2007. Oh, and she told Horatio in "Shattered" that she couldn't work anymore. But in "Driven" she could afford to be in that upscale spa. Who paid for it and how? Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think some spas will allow chemo patients into the swimming and bath areas for health reasons. The chemo weakens their immune systems. Not to mention she was always so skimpily dressed and out there in the south Florida sun. My friends who had chemo treatments had to be covered from head to toe every time they were outdoors because they couldn't be exposed to direct sunlight. BTW, was that Marisol's real hair?
Florry86
CSI Level Three
Totally agree with you. You couldn't have said it in a better way :thumbsup:
Wasn't the show perfect at the time? Yes it was....they shouldn't have changed it. I know that sometimes always talking about crime and science can be boring, but I have yet to watch saop opera crappy stuff like this one in other shows like Criminal Minds or NCIS!!!
Whenever I had to watch Ryan and Delko I was in pain. That was too painful for me to watch and then? They made them good buddies when Eric left....wonder what will happen once he comes back with all this traitor's crappy stuff or when he'll definitely come back
rolleyes: me superexcited )You can't imagine how I love this kind of disccussions :thumbsup:
It was handled in such a poor way. Not only she gave them a good review, but she wasn't even able to get the info they needed. And I agree, as much as I love Natalia now, I really don't understand how she wasn't fired. I mean ok she was a mole working for the FBI, she was a good person and she didn't commit any crime, but she entered in the show as one of the bad guys at first. She was against the whole team. Ok she was given the benefit of doubt, she was also given a hard time by Ryan...then what? Everyone in the lab was with her? They tend to forgive and FORGET a little bit too early :lol:I was starting to think I was the only one who picked up on that!! An FBI agent comes in there, friendly as can be, brings a ton of federal money with her to pretty up the place, and NOBODY is the least bit suspicious??? :wtf:
You're completely right. First of all, she shouldn't have had all that hair!!! I've never seen a person who had chemo treatments with tha much hair!!! As for the immune system, you're absolutely right. She couldn't walk on the streets like that, she couldn't go to spa....also because she didn't have like lung cancer......she suffered from Leukaemia...which is even worse for your immune system!!!
That storlyine was just ridiculous AND insulting!!!
Delynn
CSI Level One
It was perfect then. I understand that a show, and the characters within the show, have to evolve and grow or the show will stagnate. I also understand that it is natural for the audience to become curious about the personal lives of the characters as time goes by and they become more invested in that character. As I heard Mark Harmon say, early in the show the audience just doesn't care about the personal lives of the characters. They have to get to know them and like them before they want to know more about them.
But CSI Miami became a hit as a crime drama with a science basis. We've move so far from that now I'm not surprised at all that the audience is leaving in droves. CSI Miami has not only become a soap opera - it's become a really bad soap opera. And what's really sad is that no one in a position of authority seems to be objective enough to realize it.
They need to tell all of the actors to back off with all of their "ideas for their character", and step back and look at where this show is right now. And what they're going to see isn't good. They need someone in charge with not only a clear vision of what needs to change, but who cares enough about the show to make it happen - regardless of temper tantrums by anyone about what might be happening with their character. So it had better be someone with a strong personality to match those he/she will be dealing with.
Then again, it just might be too much effort to make for a show that is obviously on the downhill slide and has been for 3.5 seasons. It's too much to hope that CSI Miami might go out on a high rather than a very pale and distant cousin of the show it started out to be.
And I so strongly agree with you about the fact that these cheesy soap opera storylines have not appeared on successful crime dramas like Criminal Minds and NCIS! Shows that are much better written for the crime drama genre that they are and for the ensemble cast and on screen "team" that their show represents.
Something CSI Miami has failed miserably at for 4 seasons now as they have focused on stories that have divided and alienated team members from each other and in some cases had team members create their "own team" that is separate and apart from the rest making the disintegration of the team even more obvious. And while this season really started to appear as though we would see a turn-around, the return of Eric and spoilers we are seeing make it pretty evident that they will NOT be getting back to basics and that the show will most probably continue with the soap opera storylines we've been forced to endure for the past 4 seasons.
Whenever I had to watch Ryan and Delko I was in pain. That was too painful for me to watch and then? They made them good buddies when Eric left....wonder what will happen once he comes back with all this traitor's crappy stuff or when he'll definitely come back
Horribly painful!
I don't know if at this point they can ever make me believe that Eric and Ryan can be friends. We'll have to wait and see how Eric's response to Ryan being set up pans out. I don't trust Eric at all when it comes to Ryan. He's like Jeykl and Hyde. He turns on Ryan in a heartbeat and at every opportunity. Personally, Eric would never be someone I would want as a friend.Over the past several years a lot of the relationships on this show have been terribly damaged. For me, some are beyond repair. Horatio and Calleigh. Way too much damage for me to ever see them as friends with a close working relationship as they had in the beginning. In fact, I'd prefer that they just NOT work together because I don't feel that either actor is selling it very well.
Eric and Ryan. I've already commented on.
Natalia and Calleigh. I don't feel any connection at all when they appear in scenes together. I think that I find Natalia's openness and warmth played up against Calleigh's distance and coldness off-putting. Where I would generally find that combination interesting to watch because they would offset each other, I don't find it interesting or pleasant to watch those two interact at all. Maybe if I saw them work together more often it would change my outlook, but the spoilers I've read don't seem to indicate that will happen - especially since Natalia seems to be "persona non grata" to the writers on this show.
Natalia and Jesse. I found it really irrating that they pulled that, "Jesse standing Natalia up and then Natalia refusing to work with Jesse," crap!
These two had established a good working relationship that I enjoyed watching and then they pull that crap! First of all Natalia is much too professional to let a personal incident stop her from working with a team member and Jesse just didn't come across as the type of guy to pull that. I know they were trying to impress upon us that Jesse was obsessed with protecting Anna, but give me a break. There were better ways to do it.And just because --- Where the hell is Frank! He is amazing with every single member of the team. So why aren't they using him more?
On a positive note: Ryan, Jesse and Walter (and how about we include Frank with these three - he'd fit right in!). How I LOVE watching these guys interact.
I always enjoy so much reading your take on things, Flo. You are one of many here who make me think about things I don't normally see or think of!
I find it surprising that Donahue at first indicated the mole would be gone as soon as he/she was outed and then she takes the hit to her credibility by changing her mind and keeping the "mole" when it's discovered it was Natalia. That tells me they saw something with the actress/character that they liked and, presumably a positive audience reaction helped them to believe, there was real potential with that character.
What a tremendous waste of both a very talented and beautiful actress and what could have been a really interesting character with a lot of story potentional.
As is the pattern with CSI Miami, they introduce a storyline for a character that has true potential (Natalia's hearing) and then it disappears as though it never happened in favor of the same actors with the same tired storylines. There is NOTHING in the spoilers to indicate that they will properly address Natalia's hearing loss or give this character the screen time she deserves. :scream:
I had a very good friend die of pancreatic cancer. It was a horrible, painful and long process. She came to work every single day as long as her frail body would let her. I watched as the chemo decimated her body and a good sized woman became a walking skeleton. As all of her hair fell out and she wore bright knit caps to try and make the most of it. I set up a heater at her desk and she wore thick sweaters in the middle of summer because she was so sensitive to the cold as a result of her chemo. She showed us all a grace and courage that the rest of us could only hope to possess. She wanted to live long enough to see her son graduate from high school and, as a strong Obama supporter from very early on, Mr. Obama elected President. She died two days before her son graduated and several months before the President was elected - but she lived over a year longer than the doctors thought she would through shear force of will. If I should ever be unfortunate enough to be diagnoised with a terminal cancer, her example is what I will strive to emulate.
Marisol's cancer storyline - you're right, Jag Lady - it was horribly insulting to anyone who has experienced what it's truly like to suffer with cancer.
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Florry86
CSI Level Three
That is the real problem with the show. I mean I don't see any good effort to improve the situation. Ok they've improved the team aspect, but they could have done it far better and they also could have concentrated on something more urgeng like this soap opera. I still can't believe that after 4 years, they're gonna drag the love triangle.....another time. This is just crazy, unbelievable!!! I wanna rip my hair off!!! :scream:
In all honesty I think the most of the problems of the show have been dragged out for too longe to be actually completely solved. The only thing we can hope for now is a slight improvement.....nothing more
I consider the beginning of s8 like a blessing, nothing else. With Eric back I think there won't be any actual chance to change things. I'm sorry for those who like him, but he's one of the main characters whose storyline lead to this situation (bullet in the brain, profieceny test, cheat sheet crap, love triangle and other crap) and with his return there won't be any change.And while this season really started to appear as though we would see a turn-around, the return of Eric and spoilers we are seeing make it pretty evident that they will NOT be getting back to basics and that the show will most probably continue with the soap opera storylines we've been forced to endure for the past 4 seasons.
Thank you so much for another horror image of the guy :lol:
I don't want to speculate and I think lots of people know it, but it's pretty clear their relationship can't be repaired!!!! It is utterly impossible to do such a thing!
I think they have good potentiality on paper, but whenever it came to put the two of them together, I always found myself like "meh"
Oh well now that she has a bionic hear, she won't have any problem....don't you know that TPTB have memory lapses like one of our CSIs?
As for Marisol's storyline, I think we said it all...so I won't add anything :thumbsup:
On a positive note: Ryan, Jesse and Walter (and how about we include Frank with these three - he'd fit right in!). How I LOVE watching these guys interact.
Yes, yes, yes! This is what I want! That elevator scene at the end of that one recent ep was just the beginning. These four would be hilarious. Frank could be like their D'Artagnan. :lol:
Blinded By Smoke
Pathologist
Walter/Jesse/Ryan. They are the ones who have kept me going in season 8! It's always been Ryan (and still would be minus the other two) , but they are great. There have been several great scenes this season with them. (Most namely for me, when they were chased by the bear in 'Bone Voyage'!!!) I have enjoyed every second of them. It was so refreshing, so different than the Eric/Ryan/Calleigh relationship of season prior. I like to see a team unified, it's personally, the biggest issue for me on this show. I mean, it's not like a good formula. Take for example, NCIS: LA. They are in the first season, and they have amazing chemistry going on. Not only that-- they would have each others back, no matter WHAT!!! Even if someone is in the wrong, it'd be the same. I have a feeling that goes for NCIS, CSI:, AND even CSI: NY. I don't see it at ALL on Miami. Only in H. He defends them all and now he's going to get betrayed... it's insane. And with me knowing WHO the person is that sets this up... sure it'll be fun to watch it play out, but... still. The plot is like swiss cheese, full of HOLES!
I just hope they pull it out, before it's to late. I don't want to see this show canceled. I want to see it IMPROVE. If that's possible at this point.. it sure was at the first of season 8... when Eric was gone from the team (sorry) but it's so true. If they weren't so trite with these story lines.... E/C and team turning on one another... ahh! Give me a break.
I will stick with the show, mostly because I have grown to love the characters/actors. It would be a shame to see the show canned simply because the writers are lazy and could care less about what the fans want.
I just hope they pull it out, before it's to late. I don't want to see this show canceled. I want to see it IMPROVE. If that's possible at this point.. it sure was at the first of season 8... when Eric was gone from the team (sorry) but it's so true. If they weren't so trite with these story lines.... E/C and team turning on one another... ahh! Give me a break.
I will stick with the show, mostly because I have grown to love the characters/actors. It would be a shame to see the show canned simply because the writers are lazy and could care less about what the fans want.
redanemone
Rookie
ugh, it's driving me crazy that some of you know who's behind it all and I can't find out because I haven't been here long enough. I don't know if it's allowed or not, but would it be possible for someone to try to PM me with the info instead? If not, then just ignore this post.
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