"Redrum" Discussion **Spoilers**

edog said:
wlk68 said:
Props to Nick for breaking the deception wide open. My love for Nicky, which is already ginormous, has swelled to infinity and beyond. *That* was true leadership. He put the pieces together, rallied the troops and got the bad guy. All without elaborate schemes or deceptions. Dude, you rock!!!
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Actually, Nick did use the art of deception. He ran his own trace in Hodges lab, refusing to let Hodges see what he was working on. Both Warrick and Sara broke into the evidence locker and had a brief discussion on deception.

As I saw it, if Nick really wanted to do this without poking around behind Catherine's back, he would've called her on his suspicions without going over the evidence. They had enough reasonable doubt, without tampering with the evidence, to confront Catherine head on. Maybe if they did so in the presence of Ecklie or the Sheriff, Cath and Keppler would have had to come clean. Of course, that might have really screwed things up.

On the other hand, I do understand Nick's motives. Sorta like fighting fire with fire. You're going to go behind my back and make me look like a fool? Well, I'm going to do the same to you. Childish? Maybe. Justified? I think so.

So yeah, I would have to disagree that Nick went about his actions lawfully. He was being just as sneaky as Catherine and Keppler and while he first and foremost wanted to catch the real badguy, he was also driven by his anger at being lied to. Not entirely angelic of the emotional CSI, but justifiable.
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Yeah, I think this is pretty much where I am with the situation at the moment. It still frustrates me that nobody thought to do the obvious thing -- you know, approach Catherine or Keppler with their concerns earlier on, an action which would have likely moved up their chat about "reverse forensics" and diffused some of the anger -- but on the other hand, wounded people in stressful situations don't always act rationally.

So it goes. :)
 
Waiting said:
Catherine: I don't like faking it.
Keppler: When was the last time you had to fake it?
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Yes! I actually like his sense of humor a lot, even when it falls flat. I also like him with Catherine, but I'm wondering if we'll see him interact with the rest of the cast in a way that doesn't get their backs up.
 
I loved that comment too agreed Waiting Where did that convo just go??

I was wondering if he was asking her out or what?

:devil: Interesting, that's all I can say about this whole thing is just INTERESTING :devil:
 
THAT comment blew me away! I was thinking to myself, "man, this guy is awfully ballsy to say that as he is so new, and considering what he's asking her to do!"
 
Ballsy is right!! Hehehe...he doesn't know Catherine that well to be talking to her in sexual undertones. I was taken back by the comment...yeah it was funny and all...but I was waiting for Catherine's response. Nothing...almost like she did not hear it.

I'm eager to see if he acts this way with Sara as well. Hahaha...I got the impression that Sara did not care to much for him. I also could not help but noticed the smirk on Sara's face when she told Catherine that if she had anything to say to her it would be in private. I can't decide if sara was being snooty...but the girl should seriously look in the mirror if that is the case. Hahaha...I mean she is dating her supervisor and keeping that a BIG secret...so I hope she was just being direct and not hypocritical.
 
gregslabmouse said:
Head of days..... what about Ecklie? Or... I thought Cath got promoted to that...
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Ecklie got promoted to Assistant Lab Director, Back when Cath had her own team she was "head of swing shift" she wanted days but didn't get it, then dropped back down when the team got back together.

I don't think Keppler is IA, and I believe they said he was a seasoned CSI, by they I mean articles about the character, As to why I don't think he is IA I think I will put that into the Spoiler lab cause I want to be better safe then sorry.
hhunter said:Catherine and Keppler out on a date??? OMG!!!!
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I don't think it was a date, just drinks, no different then in "Kingbaby" when Grissom and her were talking while having a drink, to wind down.
 
I understand the reason for having someone not in on the fake scene process the crime scene. But does anyone wonder why Catherine chose Warrick? I would have chosen Greg. I believe he's only a level 1 so he wouldn't question anything he asked.

All in all I thought that it was a very good ep. It kept me interested throughout.

I like that Nick mentioned trust. By not bringing the team in on the fake Catherine really tested the trust that Nick and the others had in her. It may take a while for some of them to trust her again.

Susan
 
Actually, someone brought up a very good point...

I think that the trust was broken both ways. Heck, Cath had orders to follow from the sheriff. So..I'm not going to fault her for not saying anything during the scheme of things. HOwever, the team went behind her back...instead of confronting her. SO...sorry...the trust has been broken in more ways than one. Noone is innocent of this.
 
I think that the trust was broken both ways. Heck, Cath had orders to follow from the sheriff. So..I'm not going to fault her for not saying anything during the scheme of things. HOwever, the team went behind her back...instead of confronting her. SO...sorry...the trust has been broken in more ways than one. Noone is innocent of this.
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The bottom line is that they were following Keppler's orders instead of Catherine. She was the supervisor, she was in charge, and she let Keppler take over. Catherine is a strong woman. She could've taken command of the situation, and no matter how many times she said she felt bad about hoodwinking her team, I think that actions spoke way louder than words in this episode.
 
blackflag said:
I understand the reason for having someone not in on the fake scene process the crime scene. But does anyone wonder why Catherine chose Warrick? I would have chosen Greg.
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I had the same question. When I saw Greg outside with maggotface's car, I actually thought they had until I realized it was Sara's case. Maybe Cath chose Warrick because she's so close to him personally. She probably thought that if he figured it out he would talk to her about it and she would be able to talk her way out of it or convince him to let it ride. I think he would have if it had played out that way. There were just too many things that should have been kept under wraps that weren't.
 
The undersheriff...underminded Catherine's authority period. She was told she didn't get a say in anything. Which means follow Keppler's method. Regardles, I feel her hands were tied. The method was a screw up, and that was exactly what Catherine was trying to say when the undersheriff interrupted her, and told her she did not have a say in the matter. She knew her team would figure it out.

Yes, Catherine is a strong woman, but come on there is limits to anyone's strength. She made it clear she hated the idea, and her reaction was shot down.

Besides, I don't get the impression that Keppler is under Catherine at all. They are more like equals.
 
sarahvma said:
I think that the trust was broken both ways. Heck, Cath had orders to follow from the sheriff. So..I'm not going to fault her for not saying anything during the scheme of things. HOwever, the team went behind her back...instead of confronting her. SO...sorry...the trust has been broken in more ways than one. Noone is innocent of this.
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The bottom line is that they were following Keppler's orders instead of Catherine. She was the supervisor, she was in charge, and she let Keppler take over. Catherine is a strong woman. She could've taken command of the situation, and no matter how many times she said she felt bad about hoodwinking her team, I think that actions spoke way louder than words in this episode.
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did people miss when the undersheriff told her it wasn't her call?
 
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