Grissom & Sara #24: Since Norman Fell

[sarahvma]

i just realized a strange parallel. if we assume that GSR became canon after Grave Danger, it means that they both made the most direct approaches towards one another after they got injured in/were close to a bombing. first Sara in PWF asking him out, and then Grissom, probably after Grave Danger.

Well, I think a lot of people assume Grave Danger because it came after Committed. While Grissom may have been driven to repair their friendship in that episode, seeing Nick almost die might've made him realize "Sara could've gotten her throat slashed, and you still didn't say anything."

Which is also why a lot of people assume Grissom made the first move (besides the fact that we wanted him to have. lol).

But I think it's kind of natural to assume that a traumatic incident would cause two people to become closer. If they see death every day, it takes a lot to wake them up to something. The potential of losing someone close to them may be something that they've really become neutral to... until they see it.

i mean, Grissom didn't do anything for example after Stalker (but yeah, it was too early).

Well, Grissom agreed to go into a barn with an unstable man who was asking for a ransome to save Nick. I think Grissom would do a lot for his team, he just has a bad way of expressing how he feels.

that's why i doubt he made a move as early as after Committed.

I'd be surprised to learn that he made a move after Committed. It was clear with him leaving her to watch at the end that he understood she needed some alone time to work this out.

of course we can argue if in PWF Sara didn't want to talk to him about it before, but i'd find it strange if she wanted to ask him out in the corridor of the lab in the middle of the shift. maybe she just wanted to give him a hint, but after the bomb she decided to go all the way.

I think it was a matter of working up the courage, and in that sense, it may have had more to do with how he ran over to her and helped her (because that was always in the script, honey was the addition) that sort of emboldened her to say something.

She could sense that he liked her, so until Butterflied she was likely confused as to why he wasn't doing anything about it. Even in Invisible Evidence she seems to be going, "Um... hello? Your body is against my body and we've figured out the case already."

 

[greggoooo_fan]

okay guys, a quick post for today, I saw the article in the tv guide, and i thought she was soo unsympathic to the GSR fans. i wrote this back to the email adress of the tv guide:

hi there!
i want to reply on the letter of a certain Denise Wojtaszek in the tv guide, about the grissom sara relationship. first of all, i think the sentence that said: Sara and Grissom's affair shoved down our throats..', is not very sympathic for GSR fans to read. I am a big fan, and when i saw the article, i was angry. 'shoved down our throats'? that sounds like the directors push it too much, that they are putting way too much GSR in csi. It doesn't sound very nice to the real 'diehard' GSR fans.
second, i think that the word 'fruitless' can be also a negative thing. what does she actually means by that? as in, it's totally boring and very irritating? or does she means it in a more positive way?
and the last thing i wanted to say: i know that not every fan is a fan of GSR. so, i respect what she wrote, because i can understand that some people, who do watch csi a lot, are being irritated by this relationship. but, so says jorja fox herself in an interview, the directors can ALWAYS satisfy the watchers, all of them. they have great story lines, and perfect crimes, really exciting. but they also put some private life lines in the show, like GSR.
so, the 50 % that doesn't wants to see their private life, CAN enjoy the episodes, because of the crime itself. the other 50 %, that DO want to see the private story lines, can also enjoy the episodes, for example the GSR story line. so, I think this article is kind of non-sympathic for GSR fans. but again, i do respect what she wrote, i can imagine what she means.
friendly greetings,
a 'diehard' GSR fan.

 

[sarahvma]

I wrote them a letter as well, basically focusing on the fact that I thought that barely two minutes or so of screentime per episode hardly counted as something being "forced" on the audience.

I also said if the relationship was generating this much publicity, TPTB and the actors must be doing something right.

Oh, a quick FYI - it's a good letter, but TV Guide isn't going to know akronyms like "GSR" or "TPTB" (in other words, I didn't actually say TPTB)

Oh, and what could probably be called our biggest "GSR only" scene, the one at the end of Happenstance? Was 59 seconds long in terms of the clip itself, and the time Sara and Grissom spent interacting was 43 seconds.

 

[Alyssa]

I don't necessarily think he made a move after "Committed." But, somewhere between "Iced" and "Grave Danger," something changed. I mean, I think "Committed" spooked him, not just seeing Sara nearly die, but also seeing her as shaken up as she was. He walked away from her to give her some time to process, remembering how earlier she had run from him, starting to realize that she needs a little time alone just like he does, at times. However, I think there was also a need for him to sort thing out himself. I don't necessarily think he made a move after "Committed," but I do think he started having to think about it, to realize just how much this woman meant to him.

By "Grave Danger" they were bantering adorably, talking about his childhood. And it wasn't one of those case-related "I had an ant farm" stories. This was just born out of the two of them being in his office, and her spotting something new. It was so cute. I don't assert that they started dating by that point, but something was already shifting in their interaction. Perhaps they'd taken in a breakfast together after work to just talk, Grissom using the excuse that they could get a bit to eat since they hadn't eaten in hours while they finished up their paperwork... and it was fun. I can defintiely see Grissom having done a "tester" by "Grave Danger." However, I'm definitely of the opinion that things started moving forward more after "Grave Danger."

After that point, they knew they had a thing for each other. Grissom would feel good about the tester, and also have to sit there and realize just how human they all are. I know that sounds bizarre, but it's easy to get a Superman complex, a "it won't happen to me" complex. "Grave Danger" was a wake up for everyone. "Committed" primed Grissom. I think "Grave Danger" pushed it that extra bit.

So, I don't think them being together was necessarily motivated out of his fear of losing her, but I think that both "Committed" and "Grave Danger" served as great pushes for him, to show him just how much this woman meant to him, etc.

Wow. I didn't think I was going to write that much. Viva la Geek Love!

 

[sarahvma]

A little pre-episode poll. Trying something new, I guess.

 

[Jasmine]

I picked the third option. Im not worried at all (or maybe is because i havent read any spoilers of any kind and dont know whats going on ) but im actually looking forward to tonight's episode, and im more looking forward after watching that little clip ontube (or however you spell it) it was just so hillarious! :lol: or and because is the continuty of the replicas and im just really hooked on that case.

As for our geeks i really hope they have a flirty scene. I know for sure they going to work together with the MCSK but i want a flirty scene.

 

[sarahvma]

I put option one. It's Grissom and Sara. Angst is inevitable.

And the scene in Happenstance, being placed at the end of the episode to give it importance, seemed to be setting something up.

I don't think that they're going to break up necessarily, but I have a feeling that the ship is heading through some rocky waters tonight.

God I have to stop listening to Grissom and his puns.

 

[Jasmine]

^See now im worried

 

[IloveBilly]

i can't wait for see(well, read in my case)what they will do bt Grissom and Sara
but i'm not worried i choice number 2 for the poll
i'm tired be worried all the time ...i just hope a great scene bt my geeks

 

[Adzix]

yeah, i got what you're saying sarah, i also agree with it. i just noticed the bomb coincidence and thought it could be also one of the reasons, one of the "egocentric" reasons if you want to call it like that.

i haven't voted because i don't want to see the results. i assume most of y'all - shameless spoiled people - know what gonna happen, lol. this again proves i'm MANIACALLY spoiler-free. but i would vote that all will be fine. why? b/c i want to

and i still believe in happy geeks.

 

[IloveBilly]

Adzix i wanted so much be spoilers free..but i can't...you read one time and that's it!! and i need wait 60 days more than you guys..it's too much for me
but i'm just reading..i stoped see..give more emotion!!!
i miss the time..like butterflied..i had no ideia about whole episode...was a incredible emotion!!

 

[chocolate_bunnys]

I am a mix between option 1 and 2 because im almost positive that they will have an argument but I dont think it will end the ship, or it might , but i refuse to accept it. Great now Im worried like Jasmine . Wahhhh.*Goes off to find something with sugar...like chocolate!*

I like your Icon IloveBilly but it reminds me of those eyes that watch you from every direction.*shudders* yah...Im not crazy

Oh Yah. It is SNOWING here. Woooooohooooo!!!

 

[saraXsullivan]

sarahvma said:

i just realized a strange parallel. if we assume that GSR became canon after Grave Danger, it means that they both made the most direct approaches towards one another after they got injured in/were close to a bombing. first Sara in PWF asking him out, and then Grissom, probably after Grave Danger.

Well, I think a lot of people assume Grave Danger because it came after Committed. While Grissom may have been driven to repair their friendship in that episode, seeing Nick almost die might've made him realize "Sara could've gotten her throat slashed, and you still didn't say anything."

Which is also why a lot of people assume Grissom made the first move (besides the fact that we wanted him to have. lol).

But I think it's kind of natural to assume that a traumatic incident would cause two people to become closer. If they see death every day, it takes a lot to wake them up to something. The potential of losing someone close to them may be something that they've really become neutral to... until they see it.

I don't think they neccessarily started dating, together, right after Grave Danger or Committed, I think Grissom realized that he didn't just want to do nothing about the relationship in Grave Danger, like he thought in Butterflied. I think in Butterflied, he knew that he really liked Sara, but at that point, he figured it was a missed opportunity, and that it wouldn't work out.

Then in Committed, he got scared half to death, then in Grave Danger, he knew that Sara could have been the one who be underground, or Adam would have successfully killed her, or raped her. So I think sometime after Grave Danger, he gathered up the courage and finally decided to ask Sara out.

And now, they're practically married.

lol, or so I like to think.

ETA: POLL! I picked option 2 I think. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Anyways, I picked #2 because I'm a mix, I freak myself out about them seperating or fighting, but then I go into an optimistic piece of mind, and think it probably won't happen.

And, to add, SNOW! WOOT!

 

[sarahvma]

^See now im worried

i haven't voted because i don't want to see the results. i assume most of y'all - shameless spoiled people - know what gonna happen, lol. this again proves i'm MANIACALLY spoiler-free. but i would vote that all will be fine. why? b/c i want to

Just to let you guys know, both my comments and the poll are 100% speculation and not fueled by any indication as to what the GSR scenes in tonight's episode will contain (because YTDaW doesn't do that anymore).

So... go ahead and vote, and don't be worried - this is purely guessing.

We've discussed the timeline a lot, but I think we all seem to agree that it happened between Committed and Time of Your Death. While that's a big gap, it could be potentially wider, especially with the not-so-reassuring timeline Carol was hinting at.

I'd be happy with any timeline that didn't include Grissom dating or asking out another woman during the span.

I'm willing to accept a lot of possibilities, just not any that make Grissom look like a jerk, and Sara like his wide-eyed groupie.

 

[Jasmine]

^Yeah i know but is you . You are like the expert on our Geeks so if is coming out of your mouth (well actually your computer ) i do get worried or at least ME.