Grissom & Sara #11 - WE know what to do about "This"

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bcejan12, the abandonment was only soft canon - it was in the character profile for Grissom that was written way back before the pilot even aired. And, as we all know, that stuff tends to get changed dramatically in the pursuit of a good story or character development.

his father abandoning him being the reason that he's afraid to become involved with Sara is fanon, not canon (don't worry, i get confused between the two all the time :lol: ) - However, we do know from the show that he is afraid that, if they were to become involved, she'd eventually leave and devastate him (from his monologue to Dr Lurie in Butterflied)

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If this airs and becomes canon, it's yet another, though rather sad, + in the symmetry column of Grissom and Sara. They're already the most similar of any of the CSIs in the way they work and think. They're very similar in their social skills (in that their social skills are pretty weak) We've had the whole symmetry issue re-enforced to us lately with the similarity in the way they've been dressing. And now we know that they both lost their fathers and were both present when it happened.
 
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Actually, it makes *perfect* sense that Gil wouldn't tell this to Sara if this is his background. Think about it - would *you* tell your sad story about Mom not being able to wake Dad up on the couch to the woman who told you Mom actually stabbed Dad to death for beating her? *We* all might know that Sara would understand, but Grissom might be thinking that it's not fair of him to tell her what happened to him when he thinks of her story as far worse.
 
MissDee, your point makes a whole lot of sense :)

Another CSI article in this week's TVGuide - this time it's the A-Z of CSI. Big thank you to Tempo over at YTDAW for this quote from the article:

X| X-files, The: How was the groundbreaking paranormal series CSI's most kindred stylistic spirit? It was a science-oriented procedural drama with high production values, a mordant sense of humor and a painfully supressed romance (Mulder and Scully, meet Grissom and Sara)
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Regarding the spoilers, I just posted this hypothesis over at YTDAW. I'm too tired (read - lazy) to type it out again, so I'll just quote myself ;)

Well, this might explain two things regarding Grissom. If he lost his Father so young and no one ever explained it to him or told him how or why his Father died, it explains his obsession/facination with forensics, for pinning down the how and the why, for studying death. It explains why he looked for dead animals on the beach to study, so that he could understand death better (it reminds me of the character of Kay Scarpetta in Patricia Cornwell's novels - she lost her father to cancer when she was 12 and spent the rest of her life trying to figure out why by devoting her life to studying the dead)

Secondly, it might also explain why he's hesitant about involving himself in a meaningful relationship with Sara - first of all, he watched his mother suffer, buying gifts for his father each year and opening them, as though to perpetuate the myth that he was still in their lives. That must have been so painful for Grissom to have watched, and it would make anyone somewhat afraid of experiencing that sort of pain themselves.

He might also be afraid of putting Sara through that sort of pain. He's older than she is - only 15 years, but statistically speaking, he might worry that he'll just suddenly die like his father did, leaving Sara alone to mourn...
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Well one thing we haven't considered is that perhaps he *has* already told this to Sara - that after the hand-squeeze in Nesting Dolls they continued talking. I can't really see it being:

"And my Mom stabbed my Dad"
*cry - hand-hold*
*Pause*
Grissom: Well... I gotta be hittin' the old dusty trail...

Sorry - Family Guy.

Anyway, I don't really mind that he didn't say this to Sara. This way it's ALL about Grissom, not about a shared experience or pain. She got to totally reveal herself and he needs to do the same - to someone who doesn't understand and can't hterefore cut him off.

But like someone else said, it would be strange to do such a parallel scene and have it mean nothing for GSR.
 
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MissDee and forensicsgirl, you both make very valid points. I think it could definitely be something Grissom would think - that Sara's expereinces were far worse than his and he wouldn't want to burden her with it.

Having said that, I think that they are at much more deeper level of their relationship, so he should really start trusting her, in her strength and ability to offer him support this time round. After all, tragic moments in our lives cannot be measured by their intensity and how they affected us, because it is different in every single instance. Those experiences CANNOT be compared, therefore Grissom, as intelligent as he is, shouldn't really think that Sara's predicament was so much worse than his!

He needs to trust her enough to let her help him and I really believe he does. That's why I think we will get a scene where he goes to her and she lets him in. Credits roll. <fingers crossed>

Anyway, I still think that this scene is very significant for GSR, even though Grissom reveals this to Cath. I think it's TPTB's very subtle (or not) way to show us yet another connection (albeit painful) between Grissom and Sara. So let's think about it as another piece of information in the big build up to something significant between the Geeks in the near future.
 
Anyway, I still think that this scene is very significant for GSR, even though Grissom reveals this to Cath. I think it's TPTB's very subtle (or not) way to show us yet another connection (albeit painful) between Grissom and Sara. So let's think about it as another piece of information in the big build up to something significant between the Geeks in the near future.
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Yeah, I think it's under the circumstance, Grissom recalled his childhood and just then Cath was at the scene, then Grissom told her his background. Nothing's off. After all Cath is his long-term friend. :)....

Why do I feel it's another "Nesting dolls"?....Both Sara and Grissom witnessed their father's death. No wonder they have the same language :lol:
 
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oh they both speek the same language. the unwritten language. love. the language of love. i must go get the tv guide, its now on my todo list. cant wait for this week. i will be very surprised if griss doesnt at least LOOK at sara. i'm hoping for more ofcorse
 
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I think Sara's case was much worse than Grissom's. At least Grissom had lovinf parents, his father dropped dead----no evidence indicated it was faul play.

Then look back at Sara, I'm wandering that Grissom was more open this season maybe coz when he knew Sara's background, he thought he wasn't the most tragic man in the world, and he didn't have reason to hide it any more.
 
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I don´t know, I mean to grissom it could be harder to deal with!Anyway you can´t compare both!It´s just something you can´t do!They are different and every person would react differently!
 
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While you can't compare the two cases in terms of their circumstances or the level of tragedy - because they are two very different things - they are comparable in terms of them being another connection or parallel between Grissom and Sara - they both witnessed their fathers deaths as children. It severs as yet another thing to draw them together, something they can empathize with each other over.

In terms of it being the event that made Grissom who he is today - I honestly don't think there is one thing that created the enigma that is Grissom. As others have said, i think, for the most part, he is a victim of his own choices. However, losing his father so young is bound to have had an effect.

Having lost my father to cancer when I was 4 years old, I can tell you first hand that, while it certainly doesn't mean that you will never have a successful relationship or you'll be social stunted in any way, it can effect how you relate to people. It was just me and my mom for 15 years after dad died, she had no real social life, she worked hard for us and she spent time with me and that was pretty much her life. From watching her as I grew up, I learned that I didn't need a significant other in my life to complete me and that I would be fine on my own. I also had no real interest in having a social life (I was forced to go out by my friends when I was in my late teens/early twenties and rarely go out now)

Now think about it from Grissom's prespective. His father gone, he becomes interested in science and death - which would make him strange to the other kids in school, hence him becoming a 'ghost'. His mother spends years in mourning, continuing to buy her dead husband christmas gifts year after year. She's deaf, so most communication in their household would be of the non-verbal kind. Its very possible that his mother worked hard and didn't socialise much - setting a pattern of behavior for the young Grissom and he didn't really have friends at school that could help him break that pattern.

So he worked hard, socialised little, and then a series of both good and bad decisions on his part turned him into the workaholic man he is today. JMHO

ETA: The circumstances around Grissom talking about his father are more reminiscence rather than revelation - the case and the fact that a woman has carefully reconstructed her lost child's world as though he'd never gone *reminds* Grissom of his mother buying his father a christmas gift every year. It sort of feels like thinking out loud. Cath asks what age he was and he tells her, and then he continues thinking out loud - remembering the circumstances around his father's death. It's not the gunt-wrenchingly painful revelation that Sara went through in ND when she talked about her own father's death - this is more a case of remembering and thinking out loud as far as I can tell.

With regard to him telling Sara - firstly, she might already know and we just didn't get to see it. Or, as MissDee has said, Grissom might not feel that it has been the appropriate moment for him to tell her due to the circumstances around her own fathers death. It's not something that he needs to get off his chest in a big cathardic revelation - he seems to have dealt with losing his father, if not with the fact that it was never explained to him. However, if he and Sara are involved, or going to become involved, it is something that will naturally come out between them as they get to know one another.
 
This was posted by Tempo over at YTDAW. I'm surprised no one here has mentioned it yet! No spoilres.

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Check this out. TV Guide ran an article (which I will get around to posting in its entirety later) called "CSI: A to Z", and this is X:

"X| X-files, The: How was the groundbreaking paranormal series CSI's most kindred stylistic spirit? It was a science-oriented procedural drama with high production values, a mordant sense of humor and a painfully supressed romance (Mulder and Scully, meet Grissom and Sara)."

HA. TAKE THAT. heehee...

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This was posted by Tempo over at YTDAW. I'm surprised no one here has mentioned it yet!
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I did. Last night. 8 or 9 posts up. But I guess no one noticed cuz it has yet to be picked up and discussed... :(

*slinks off into the corner to cry...*

I love that other people have noticed the similarities between M/S and G/S. *squeee*
 
Awwww. Sorry forensicgirl! I seriously love it because I was an XPhile, dedicated, for many years. :) And M/S rocked my world! I just love that TV Guide acknowledged that GSR exists. They freaking said it's one of the 26 things you have to know about CSI, ya know? YAY!
 
I'm with you on that score, Alyssa - clearly the TVGuide are Geek-Lovers :D I'm looking forward to hearing what the other letters of the alphabet mean :)

I'm still trying to get myself into a christmas mood - haven't gotten around to creating my GSR tree yet, but I did get this cool decoration for it...

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And now a word from our favorite lady...

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Just watched clip....WOW, just WOW!!!! Hope we see this.









I'm still thinking that GSR is happening off screen, and Sara already knows it, that explains why he is so open this season. I'm thinking that this wasn't anything shocked or painfull, he looks like he dealt with this, it's kind of sad for him, but this isn't painfull. He wants to be more open (but why??? ), so he talks more often with Cath.
The only reason I see is that Sara and Grissom are together. Also this wasn't talking especially to Cath, this was remembering, it just happens she was there.

Ladyhawke
 
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