Eric/Calleigh storyline -- why we dislike it. Part 2 **spoilers**

[Kiane]

I've been reading some of the "Why We Like E/C" posts, and I've noticed something. I am in no way bashing anyone. Just arriving at a conclusion from reading the different posts.

One person who likes E/C writes "Isn't it wonderful to have love in the middle of all that blood and violence?" (not word for word). Another writes, again not word for word "They should be able to get together if they want!" or "He's hot, and I bet she came home early to look at him!"
No regard for the fact that this is SUPPOSED to be a forensics drama. No regard for the fact that, as E/C was ramped up, the show itself was dumbed down, and talented actors were shoved aside to give it center stage.

On the other hand, posts disliking E/C for the most part are analyzing the show itself. Analyzing the "romance" itself. Going beyond the "shiny" surface. Taking a careful look at how the show was before and since E/C, and not just accepting it for what it is. Not so caught up in feelings, which change from minute to minute. Not sounding like kids on Christmas morning.

Your thoughts?

Your observations are incredibly astute and very telling. One of the biggest problems is that TPTB clearly only choose to listen to ONE set of voices in the CSI:M fandom and have completely ignored everyone else. When you've invested time and money (those DVD sets aren't cheap, not to mention all the other CSI:M merchandise out there) into it, it kinda sucks to know that TPTB could give a flip what we think.

It's tragic that they took a smart, sexy forensics drama and sugar-coated with a "romance" storyline that watching is more painful than giving birth to an 11-pound baby without an epidural. At least for me, anyway.

I feel the same seminents as both of you with regards to the show.
I don't care for how they relegated the other characters and their dynamics. The E/C show is a disadvantage to what used to be a compelling crime action drama. Its like they have made them Superman and Lois, the super duo.
It worked for the Superman and Lois franchise, because it was established from the beginning they were to be the focal point. CSI Miami is supposed to be a team unit.

 

[Jag Lady]

If you were aiming not to "bash" anyone, I don't think you succeeded very well. The implication that posters in the E/C thread are juvenile and immature is rather offensive.

Forgive me if I worded it wrongly. Also, if you read my posts in the E/C shipper thread, you will see that I am trying to get a dialogue going. Not trying to tell others, as your signature banner says, to "get over it already".

 

[Finch]

If you were aiming not to "bash" anyone, I don't think you succeeded very well. The implication that posters in the E/C thread are juvenile and immature is rather offensive.

Forgive me if I worded it wrongly. Also, if you read my posts in the E/C shipper thread, you will see that I am trying to get a dialogue going. Not trying to tell others, as your signature banner says, to "get over it already".

I'm going to guess my previous post:

To assume that one group is superior (and I'll say right now, that's what it looks like) because they go deeper is not only unrepresentative of those being discussed but it's why we lean toward keeping other groups out of it -- it has nothing to do with why one doesn't like the romance and mostly serves to infuriate others.

either wasn't read or wasn't entirely understood as a subtle attempt to pull the thread back on track. That's fine, here's something less subtle:

The E/C like/dislike in-fighting needs to stop, please. You don't have to like each other but you should be able to co-exist. Let's refrain from the snippy comments and passive-aggressive responses to one another. It's just a television show. No need to get personal.

If by open dialogue, it's meant to have both sides discuss the relationship openly to level the playing field, then by all means start a new thread here instead of going back and forth between forums. It's much easier to follow and more productive. But it should be noted that if it's meant as a way to continue fighting or a free-for-all, it's best not to bother otherwise we'll have the same problem there that we do here.

To recap what is expected in this thread: Let's keep the dragging of other groups through the mud out of this thread. Let's focus on the relationship itself and the show. When discussing actors, please don't speculate about them: we don't know them from Adam (no pun intended). Unless something is officially stated, it's a violation of their privacy and a violation of our rules. Refrain from dragging squabbles from other threads or boards into here.

If the following requests aren't heeded (as they have been repeatedly asked of everyone by myself and FieldMouse since February) or there's another problem in this thread for whatever reason after this post, this thread will be shut down for a short period to allow some to cool off and re-evaluate their behaviour. I'd suggest some start now, no matter what side of the fence one resides.

If there are any questions or comments, please feel free to PM me or FieldMouse.

Let's get back to discussing why we dislike the relationship storyline. Thank you.

 

[inthewind]

ITo assume that one group is superior (and I'll say right now, that's what it looks like) because they go deeper is not only unrepresentative of those being discussed but it's why we lean toward keeping other groups out of it -- it has nothing to do with why one doesn't like the romance and mostly serves to infuriate others.

Besides, does it really matter if people get excited about the show? I thought that was a good thing.

:brickwall:My complaint remains as it has always been; that to go deliberately into a thread that is blatant in its disapproval of an aspect of the show for the sole purpose of arguing the point is, in my estimation, extremely juvenile and immature. By the same token, if we who dislike this aspect react similarly in the "we love E/C" thread, we merit that same label (No, I've never posted or read entries in that thread. Why would I?)

Repeated comments refuting the theme of the thread can only serve to stir the pot. It borders on trolling. A couple of these pot stirrers have routinely made their presence known in other 'anti nomance' forums, using exactly the same tactics.

:beer:Whatever happened to the mature acknowledgement that "it takes all kinds" and a mutual respect for an opposing opinion?

BTW, I'm a dedicated Cubs fan. It matters not in the slightest that you're a Cardinal fan. I have no interest in your agruments in favor of the Cards and wouldn't waste breath to convince you of the superiority of the Cubs. I believe we can agree to disagree.

 

[Finch]

:beer:Whatever happened to the mature acknowledgement that "it takes all kinds" and a mutual respect for an opposing opinion?

That's exactly what I'm hoping for from now on, on both sides.

 

[Kiane]

Well I don't even think about lurking in pro E/C threads. Why would I when I'm not a fan or fanatic? I would see things I don't like.
I think the same logic would apply to E/C fanatics reading the E/C dislike thread when you know the reason for it is to have dialogue against it. The best thing to do is to ignore it.

 

[Delynn]

:brickwall:My complaint remains as it has always been; that to go deliberately into a thread that is blatant in its disapproval of an aspect of the show for the sole purpose of arguing the point is, in my estimation, extremely juvenile and immature. By the same token, if we who dislike this aspect react similarly in the "we love E/C" thread, we merit that same label (No, I've never posted or read entries in that thread. Why would I?)

I've been focused on RL and have just now been able to read these comments. I don't wish to prolong the matter, but I'd like to add some brief comments, if I might.

I do agree with your comments here, inthewind. I also do not post, never read unless asked to, the entries in the E/C shipper thread. It would serve absolutely no purpose for me to post in that thread and upset those who are E/C supporters.

Repeated comments refuting the theme of the thread can only serve to stir the pot. It borders on trolling. A couple of these pot stirrers have routinely made their presence known in other 'anti nomance' forums, using exactly the same tactics.

I agree with this as well. It's been made pretty clear over the past several years that a deep chasm was growing in the CSI Miami fandom for a few reasons, but the predominate cause of animosity has been the E/C nomance, and I fear it appears to be much too wide and deep to ever be bridged at this point.

Both sides of the issue use words and banners and avatars specifically designed to upset the others who feel differently. I've read some scathing comments about posters in the "E/C dislike thread" in other less moderated forums using posts that were cherry picked from "E/C dislike thread" on this board (once it's out there on the Internet, it's all pretty easy to find ). I'm sure that the same is true in some of the "anti E/C" forums, but I honestly can't say I've seen it.

I ignore the nasty things said about those of us who dislike the nomance except to make note that sometimes everything is not as it appears with people.

And Geni is right about the passive/agressive comments on this board.

Unfortunately TPTB seem to have decided that all this hostility and venting of emotion on the subject is a good thing - and it doesn't matter what it's doing to the fansbase. Love 'em or hate 'em - at least we're talking about 'em. So for them it's a good thing. And so they keep the hype coming and the emotions running high.

This split hasn't helped the show at all. It has hurt the show terribly, IMO.

:beer:Whatever happened to the mature acknowledgement that "it takes all kinds" and a mutual respect for an opposing opinion?

I'd like to think that some kind of mutual respect can be found. I've had some really fun and interesting debates with anti-Horatio and pro-E/C posters in the past. They were lively and civil and respectful.

And we agreed to disagree and ended up respecting and even liking each other. It'd be nice to get back to that kind of respect.

 

[Delynn]

I'll admit it from the first sentence - I'm in a rather negative mood with this morning's news about Eddie Cibrian.

Why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Jesse's departure, especially if they decide to kill him off, will end up turning into an Eric and Calleigh "melodrama" moment?

Why do I feel that Jesse's death/departure will be used as another way for Eric and Calleigh to have their obligatory moment of discovery that seems to come with each and every episdoe these days.

"Life's too short. We shouldn't waste anymore time. Look what happened to Jesse! What if that happened to one of us? I just couldn't deal with it!"

Cue Eric screaming and yelling/mopping around like a whipped puppy or Calleigh on her death bed, or yelling or crying.

Maybe it's because lately everyone's tragedy is somehow turned around to how it must affect Eric and Calleigh. Can we spell n-a-r-c-i-s-s-i-s-t-i-c? I think that word not only defines both Calleigh and Eric, but their relationship as well.

 

[mjszud]

I hear ya, Delynn. I wasn't shocked by the news, but to say I'm disappointed is an understatement. Moreso that it wasn't Procter who was leaving -- damn, the things this show could do without her presense!!
I might add how IDIOTIC it will be to watch the one person with the worst health issues out of everyone in the entire lab wake up & be f*cking peachy after hacking up what little lungs she has left in her damn body!

I'm honestly left with no desire to sit through the premiere or all of season 9. E/C and thier drama in one episode & then kittens & puppies in the next - no thank you!
Furthermore, I have a bad feeling more sad news is to come -- 2 people replaced AR, & it might be 2 people who leave to, financially, make room for him. When/if this happens, I will officially be done. Can't take any more of this bullsh*t.

 

[Court]

Why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Jesse's departure, especially if they decide to kill him off, will end up turning into an Eric and Calleigh "melodrama" moment?

Why do I feel that Jesse's death/departure will be used as another way for Eric and Calleigh to have their obligatory moment of discovery that seems to come with each and every episdoe these days.

Oh I'm certain it will be and I'd bet dollars to donuts that his death will be downplayed big time. I don't expect to see the same emotional farewell that Speed got. Rather the funeral (if we even see one) will probably be very much in the background. God forbid SOMETHING take away focus from the E/C storyline for even a second. :scream:

I might add how IDIOTIC it will be to watch the one person with the worst health issues out of everyone in the entire lab wake up & be f*cking peachy after hacking up what little lungs she has left in her damn body!

No doubt. How many times can they shoot Eric or put Calleigh in the hospital?

I'm telling ya, when the world comes to an end, the only things left will be duct tape, cockroaches and the E/C storyline.

 

[alexa]

"Life's too short. We shouldn't waste anymore time. Look what happened to Jesse! What if that happened to one of us? I just couldn't deal with it!"

my biggest fear in your sentence is if ...for some reason its end with a "marry me...?"
:brickwall:

 

[Jag Lady]

No doubt. How many times can they shoot Eric or put Calleigh in the hospital? I'm telling ya, when the world comes to an end, the only things left will be duct tape, cockroaches and the E/C storyline.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

Those are the best lines I've heard all day, Court.

No, I wouldn't be surprised if Jesse's sendoff is a nonevent, however it happens. Rebecca Nevins was a recurring character, but this time there was no scene of Horatio somehow saying goodbye to her, either at the morgue or over her casket.

I'd hate to see Eric's or Calleigh's insurance premiums.

 

[mjszud]

I'm telling ya, when the world comes to an end, the only things left will be duct tape, cockroaches and the E/C storyline.

Their hands, feet and mouths will be duct taped & they shall be tortured with the cockroaches! MWAHAHA!

 

[inthewind]

I'm telling ya, when the world comes to an end, the only things left will be duct tape, cockroaches and the E/C storyline.

:beer:
That's a Classic!! Great line, Court!

 

[Court]

Thanks guys. Glad I could bring some joy to this bleak day.