Episode 8x23 - 'Time Bomb' ***CONTAINS SPOILERS***

[MiamiWolfe]

When they first showed the team in Ryan's place, Jesse said: "Nobody really thinks Ryan did this, right? You know he was set up, right?" And someone else said something about how they couldn't yet prove that or something. So I think they all pretty much knew.

I agree but also they needed to follow procedures if they were going to clear him.

^ Ohh, you are right. i'd forgotten that bit. But it would have been better if someone had said something reassuring when he was being carted off.

I think everyone who was there to see it, Walter, Jesse and Natalia were so shocked it was happening they couldn't say anything.

I agree. It was nice to hear Jesse verbalize that he didn't think Ryan was guilty and he was there, and hoped everyone else was also, to find the evidence that Ryan was set up. And it was really nice to see Walter yell at everyone to be careful with Ryan's stuff that he was one of them.

That actually made me feel pretty good. Usually Ryan is being jumped on with both feet.

But Ryan really needed to hear and see that kind of support when he was there. I keep wondering if he'd have looked directly at anyone other than Calleigh and asked what they thought if he'd have gotten a more comforting response.

Stetler was there as well and was on top of everyone to keep searching (knowing they would find the diamonds he planted eventually). Maybe if he hadn't been there, there would have been more verbal support.

I really felt bad for him. And his fast exit after shaking Eric's hand, to me, spoke volumes. He elected not to remain in the presence of the "team" and the substantial opportunity for team healing by everyone coming together for Ryan at the end was lost in favor of another barf inducing E/C "moment."

Maybe he needed to be alone, but it would have been nice to see the team search him out, shake his hand, pat him on the back or give him a hug. No you are so right Delynn, abandon the possible "team" moment for more another needless E/C moment

Walter's statement, made in obvious disgust, "Some team!" also spoke volumes. He was right. And the disillusionment he's quickly discovered in his short time with this team I've been feeling for 4 seasons. In short - I truly sympathize with Walter. I feel his pain!

Me too, me too.

I think just the simple fact that Eric and everyone else, except Walter, continued to work to clear Ryan goes to show they didn't believe for a second that he actually took the diamonds. And if it had been anybody else doing the investigation, the min. they found the diamonds they would have stopped looking, and just assumed he was guilty. So I guess it was good for Ryan that it was Eric.

Walter did express his support for Ryan though by saying "this isn't right". Where did Walter go for that matter?

I don't think it was Eric in charge of the investigation. It was Horatio. So it wasn't Eric's decision to continue investigating until Ryan was exonerated. It was Horatio's.

I think it was Horatio's baby from Day One. Rather have him in charge than anyone else. :thumbsup:

 

[Delquesne]

I am not sure if I heard correctly but Calleigh and Natalia were also talking about looking at the evidence as a way to exonerate Ryan.I also think Stetler was there too and the team was responsible to collect the evidence so I am not sure if that was the time to say Ryan was innocent.But I do agree that a scene was needed between Ryan and His co workers where that gave him some support.They probably tried to do too much in one episode.

I agree with you. I didn't find the final scene between Eric & Calleigh on the pier to be unnecessary or "barf-inducing." Quite the contrary, actually. :adore: I thought it was a sweet moment, but I suppose that one's "take" on E/C scenes will always be a matter of personal taste, so I'm not going to use this thread to try and change anyone's mind. (There are a couple of threads elsewhere on the forum that are more appropriate for that discussion). More importantly though, as silentdiscso stated in an earlier post, I believe that Eric & Calleigh's little chat about trust was a metaphor for the re-building of trust that needs to happen among the entire team. Having the group come together to help Ryan re-organize his place or to make some other show of support for Wolfe would've been a major step forward in this healing process. Not to mention a nice gesture. But, as you said, electra, the writers probably ran out of space/time for this type of scene. I wanted a better, more satisfying explanation for why Stetler did what he did, but I suspect that this ended up on the cutting room floor as well in the interest of time.

That said, I do hope that we'll see more team unity in the season finale and next season. I'm a card-carrying Hiphuggers-fan, but I'm also a fan of good team dynamics. That's part of what drew me to CSIM in the first place. :thumbsup:Hopefully, we'll get most of that "team mojo" back in future episodes.

 

[electra]

^Exactly,delquesne.IMO we are suppoused to believe that Jesse at some point apologized to Natalia for leaving her alone at the bar given how friendly they are now.If anyone wants to find evidence of the contrary I guess is posible but I just don't think the writers are that clever.And that probably applies to so many situations.

 

[inthewind]

:scream: It's a smart move on CSI Files part not to allow comments to follow the reviews. My opinion of "Time Bomb" is so far removed from Kristine's spin it would take several pages to address every issue. Suffice it to say we agree in a couple of areas.

Kristine makes several good points, especially regarding Rick/DLS, Ryan/Jon, Walter/Omar, as well as the general storyline. Beyond that, she loses me completely.

Still, I enjoy her reviews. It's always a challenge to see another POV.

 

[Delynn]

:scream: It's a smart move on CSI Files part not to allow comments to follow the reviews. My opinion of "Time Bomb" is so far removed from Kristine's spin it would take several pages to address every issue. Suffice it to say we agree in a couple of areas.

Kristine makes several good points, especially regarding Rick/DLS, Ryan/Jon, Walter/Omar, as well as the general storyline. Beyond that, she loses me completely.

Still, I enjoy her reviews. It's always a challenge to see another POW.

Actually I found out a while back that you can comment on her reviews in the CSI Files News Items thread: http://talk.csifiles.com/showthread.php?t=60611

I agree with your take. She makes valid observations regarding Rick, Ryan and Walter, but other than that there is not much there.

I've never been a big fan of Ms. Huntley's reviews. I feel that for a reviewer she lacks objectivity. But other's seem to enjoy her.

 

[Grissom rules]

I finally watched Time Bomb just two hours ago!!!The episode was great!!
The big news of the episode is of course the arrest of Rick Stetler for a series of crimes including the murder of Rebecca Nevins as well as the diamonds theft.The revelation of Rick being the guilty came as a shock to me and I have to say that David Lee Smith is going to be missed.The fact that Rick tried to frame Ryan was a clever move as Ryan had problems with his job before that led to his firing by Rick back in season 5.Togo's and Smith's performances were the highlight of the episode.
Now I'm counting for the season finale.

 

[greatfan]

The fact that Rick tried to frame Ryan was a clever move as Ryan had problems with his job before that led to his firing by Rick back in season 5.Togo's and Smith's performances were the highlight of the episode.

Agreed, both actors were great.That was a clever move on Rick's part to frame Ryan,he even mentioned the gambling as a motive.
I 'll miss Rick too.I always enjoyed his interactions with Horatio.

 

[MiamiWolfe]

Actually I found out a while back that you can comment on her reviews in the CSI Files News Items thread: http://talk.csifiles.com/showthread.php?t=60611

I agree with your take. She makes valid observations regarding Rick, Ryan and Walter, but other than that there is not much there.

I've never been a big fan of Ms. Huntley's reviews. I feel that for a reviewer she lacks objectivity. But other's seem to enjoy her.

She very rarely has anything good to say about Ryan. She does however compliment Jon Togo's acting abilities.

The fact that Rick tried to frame Ryan was a clever move as Ryan had problems with his job before that led to his firing by Rick back in season 5.Togo's and Smith's performances were the highlight of the episode.

Agreed, both actors were great.That was a clever move on Rick's part to frame Ryan,he even mentioned the gambling as a motive.
I 'll miss Rick too.I always enjoyed his interactions with Horatio.

Rick obviously knew about Ryan's past problems with gambling, so hiding the diamonds in Ryan's apartment was pretty much a no-brainer for him. When I first heard about this eppie, I briefly thought that the set up wouldn't be discovered so soon and, the fact that he was moonlighting in Kill Klaus for extra money might have been brought out for more proof that Ryan had indeed stole the diamonds. I liked it better this way. And yes, I will miss Rick/Horatio's interactions; they added spice to the show.

 

[city hunter]

I've just seen the episode, it was really great! The best I've seen in this season.
Every Ryan scene was fantastic, Jonathan Togo played the part perfectly.
I was disappointed that Stetler was the betrayer, I liked him.

 

[slower]

Oh, believe me, I know Natalia and her bacteria DNA test are what helped break the case. I was just explaining why Eric was there acting like he was still part of the team and still worked in the lab.

I am sorry for not responding back before now Carolyn. I wasn't particuarly referring to your post when I was going off about who the credit should go to. I was really frustrated with all the talk about Eric being the one that exonerated Ryan. He was part of the equation; but Natalia actually broke the case.

Well, I'm one person you don't have to apologize to. I don't like Eric and Calleigh as a couple either. To me, they have more of a brother and sister chemistry than a boyfriend and girlfriend chemsitry.

Thank you!!!:thumbsup: I agree with your assessment of the lack of chemistry. JMO