Re: The Great Ship Debate--CSI: NY First off, Danny/Lindsay fans are welcome wherever they decide to post. If there aren't any posts defending the ship on this page or any other, it's because no D/L fans have posted. *shrug* I don't think interaction between Danny/Lindsay is "gross" as you say, I just don't think it's got the kind of chemistry that would warrant pushing the ship the way it was at the end of S2 (and the beginning of S3 to an extent). I can see the two of them as friends, but beyond that I suppose we'll never agree. I don't mind that other people see it, I just don't. And as for the Lindsay fans missing her if Anna takes time off, I'm sure that's true--not being a huge fan of the character myself, I probably won't miss her, and when it comes to a debate or discussion thread, I'm going to put my opinions out there. If a character I liked was gone for multiple episodes, I'd probably miss them, yes, but at the same time I'd be willing to consider how their absence might benefit other characters. If someone like Flack was gone, I'd be interested to see if Angell would have a larger role in the episodes. If Danny were gone, I'd hope that Hawkes would get some more screentime, which he has in the past few episodes without a lot of Danny-time. If Mac was gone, I'd be interested to see Stella in charge, etc. My concern regarding Anna's pregnancy and it's effect on the show relates more to whether the lack of D/L interaction has been forced into the script because of the situation or if it was going to happen anyway. I think the lack of the ubiquitous shippy moment between this pair in each and every episode has been an improvement, and I don't like the thought that, once Anna's maternity leave is over, things will go right back to the way they were when I thought it was way too much. *shrug* When it comes to Anna and her husband, I'm very glad that they are starting a family and I wish her nothing but the best. However, I don't know her and so I choose to concentrate on the show and not the actors' personal lives. There's been a definite change between the end of season two and what we've seen so far at the beginning of season 3. And I wonder how much of that had to do with the unavoidable fact that Anna's pregnancy will affect the show, versus how much of it was a conscious decision by the writers to move away from the relationship. The fact that Peyton was introduced for the sole purpose of being Mac's love interest makes me think that the Danny/Lindsay thing was probably going to be shoved to the back burner anyway. Why have two major romantic relationships on the show? It just doesn't make logical sense to me. Add in the fact that Mac seems to have serious reservations about dating someone he works with, and I'm thinking maybe the writers have finally figured out what some of us have been thinking for a while--shipping is fun in fanfiction, but on the show it runs into trouble. I'm not the writers, I don't pretend to know their motives, but that's what I think. Anyway, back to what you were saying, allie. I don't need Danny and Flack to be in a scene in every show, and I've never implied that the D/L ship needs one--I only say that I don't think it's necessary. Watching last season, particularly toward the end, it seemed as though the writers thought they could make everyone love the idea of Danny/Lindsay if they put them in a scene together in every show, even when they weren't working together. Granted, these people will interact, but where are the scenes between Stella and Hawkes when they aren't working together, just talking over a case and getting a second opinion? Why not have Flack come over to help Stella with a scene reconstruction? I don't like Danny/Lindsay, but either way I just think the writers got a bit too involved with it way too soon. I don't say I'll hate Danny/Lindsay for the rest of my life, but I seriously doubt that I'll ever like it. I never say never, because the writers and actors might pull something good out of the crack of their ass and make it work, but I'm inclined to doubt it. That doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree with me, or to feel the way I do. I also don't think it means I should avoid expressing my opinions because other people don't like them. *shrug* You didn't offend me, that's for sure, but if I might say something that I've noticed multiple times and feel I need to say: I don't have a problem with people expressing their opinions when they differ from my own. In fact, I encourage it because I like a good discussion. It's when people start out acting as though they are putting themselves in front of a firing squad and are somehow making a huge statement or taking some big risk that it gets under my skin a bit. We can all express our opinions on this board. I know that there are people who like Danny/Lindsay, and I'm not going to attack anybody who likes them. I might disagree with an opinion, but I'm not going to jump on that person for what they think. I know that you don't like Danny/Flack, but I don't take that as a personal insult against me. All that says to me is that we see things differently. Having a difference of opinion doesn't make me hate anybody. Edit: I still haven't rewatched this week's episode, but I was really glad that Angell was back. I loved her in "People With Money," and I hate that she hasn't had a lot of interaction with people other than Mac since then. I love the idea of her with Danny or Hawkes, and a few more scenes would be nice because then I'd have a better idea of how they interact. We know very little about her at this point, and I want to be able to write fanfiction that's in-character.