Danny/Lindsay #21: The future’s in the bag!

[dutch_treat]

I normally don't come in here

And yet you knew

I agree on the 'bitch' and the 'house' part, but I think the Lady V. is not that uncalled for...it's more of a metaphor; after all she can be seen as the one who 'destructed' the magical world that has been created here around our ship...

Now, I know, for a fact, that you guys would not want the same thing said to Lindsay. I know, that us Rikki/Danny shippers or Danny/Flack shippers have never talked about her like that. God knows I've never called her a "Bitch" or said have a house fall on her.

Well, perhaps you didn't call her names or wished for bad things to happen to her, but you should think twice before speaking on behalf of all the others shippers you mention...Because I know for a fact that there have been some pretty harsh things said about Lindsay's character too and about wishing she would get shot, fall into an abbys, etc.

I still feel that all three people involved are somehow victims of their own emotions and are hurting each other at the moment, but I know that there are others here who blame Danny and/or Rikki - and this is about the only place on this board where they can vent that anger and discuss it with others who feel the same or at least understand where it's coming from...

It's a TV show

Right! And we're certainly not calling the actors names, but merely the characters.

Peaches said the following brilliant thing:
What I do appreciate is that the whole breakfast thing wasn't a 'hey you're my new gf, f*** buddy and I can't bear not to be with you' it was more of a 'if she leaves then it makes it official, it shouldn't have happened and when she leaves it won't happen again'.

I really, really like that point of view and I don't believe I've come across it yet. It could be that he, with Rikki, had created some kind of bubble made up of their shared emotions to temporarly shield them from the outside world and all the hurt and grief, but they both knew that it couldn't last eternally so they tried to hold on to it just a bit longer...

Lindsay's confession has been the needle to pop that bubble.

 

[vegaslights]

And yet you knew

After the events of 4.16, I lurked in here. But when people from the D/L ship also start saying negativity stuff in the DR thread, I knew where to look.

Well, perhaps you didn't call her names or wished for bad things to happen to her, but you should think twice before speaking on behalf of all the others shippers you mention...Because I know for a fact that there have been some pretty harsh things said about Lindsay's character too and about wishing she would get shot, fall into an abbys, etc.

I still feel that all three people involved are somehow victims of their own emotions and are hurting each other at the moment, but I know that there are others here who blame Danny and/or Rikki - and this is about the only place on this board where they can vent that anger and discuss it with others who feel the same or at least understand where it's coming from...

I don't see anywhere on this forum where it says Lindsay's a bitch, or where she should get squashed by a house, or even getting shot. So I don't think those comments have been said.

Right! And we're certainly not calling the actors names, but merely the characters.

But some people don't appreciate getting a character getting called the 'B' word. What would the 'actor' think?

 

[dutch_treat]

I don't see anywhere on this forum where it says Lindsay's a bitch, or where she should get squashed by a house, or even getting shot. So I don't think those comments have been said.

Oh, they have been said alright - through the years it has happened more than once that I've seen people opting different ways in which she should be hurt...But I think that has all been discussed around the time that thread was up why people didn't feel like posting on this board anymore...One of the reasons that was mentioned numerous time was the 'hostility' towards Lindsay and often the respons was that people should not be bothered by that too much, because that hostility was directed at a fictional character and not at the actress herself...

What would the 'actor' think?

That she was doing a great job, causing so many emotional responses.

 

[Dims]

What would the 'actor' think?

That she was doing a great job, causing so many emotional responses.

exactly. as i gave major kudos to Carmine for managing to portray Danny in such a way that made a big fanbase hate his guts and find him despicable and disgusting! i think it was a job well done from both these actors for making us hate their characters...and to Anna for making us feel her pain...especially when her voice just broke at the end of the monologue!!!!

Ill take that the ''bitch'' word may be too much but Lady V i think is not that awful....its used in a metaphorical way to express parts of her character we saw and refer to them by using a pesudonym like Lady V borrowed from popular culture. I think giving some alternate names like our Lady V one is not that awful...considering they are simply characters and the names they have are fake to begin with !!!!!! We have accepted soooo many things said for Lindsay and Anna that i am sure you would hear none of us complaining if you did sth similar with Linds.....

heck i even know a poor guy whose last name is Voldemort.....honestly!!!:lol:



on a different note i see many DL shippers sort of excuse the whole cheating thing by saying it was done out of need for comfort and as a way to heal each other. Ill take that Danny is in a pretty awful state of mind right now but if everybody acted like that in similar situations we would all be liars and cheaters. On the other hand i find interesting the fact they made Lady V mention and hint (i think more than once...dont know...havnt seen..i was simply told) that what they are doing is simply a way to heal the pain (BIG from me but anyhow) and in that way i think they wanted to show she or the whole segment from hell is not to be taken seriously or as sth permanent. Maybe i am seeing too much on lady V's words but that is how i interpreted them.

i also wanna say i saw the other DL scenes and only them.

I LOVED to pieces Lindsays behaviour when Dany came to work and Mac told her to fill him in and then she simply gave him the paperwork to read so as to catch up!!!That was so good...i think she should just accompany it with a kick at his balls but i digress since we know he doesnt have any.

and saw the scene at the end with Linds , Stella and Danny...and again major kudos to Anna and ofcourse in extension Linds for completing the whole scene talking to both but managing to NOT give ONE GLANCE to Danny....now that was extremely intersting to watch. I loved how she was totally dedicated and devoted to the case....she actually managed to solve it almost alone and at the same time facing personal and emotional turmoil...he was standing there, talking in an effort to make her aknowledge him and she was simply answering his questions only looking at Stella!!!!!!!

Nomatter how this ep got to me...i think i loved all the Linds scenes more than anyhone this season. She was clear, she was not melodramatic but simply coherent and to the point. She explained to him where she stands (while the coward could not even answer back) and managed to survive the whole personal hell while at the same time solving the case and being all kinds of awesome!

i love this girl!i hope she continues like that!!!!!

 

[Gaelen]

I don't see anywhere on this forum where it says Lindsay's a bitch, or where she should get squashed by a house, or even getting shot. So I don't think those comments have been said.

Perhaps you should look closer and pay more attention.

Yes, it is a TV show, but as other people feel it is their right to dislike Lindsay with all their being, we have the right to dislike Rikki with all our being too. It's a TV show, like you said, so what's the big deal. You may think it's uncalled for, I wrote what I feel about her.

As for what the actress thinks, well did she expect people to just fall in love with her? Especially those who support Danny and Lindsay? Is she delusional? As a professional, I would hope that she realises her purpose in this series is to create drama and conflict, and henceforth, will create a wide spectrum of emotions towards her character. If I was playing Danny, I sure wouldn't be surprised if people started calling me a cheating B*****d. That's show-biz. You think Anna Belknap goes around happy that people chant "you can't act, Lindsay must go, you suck" all the time? Haha...but I dont see anyone complaining about that now.

And yes, you should think twice before saying that bad things haven't been directed at Lindsay/Anna before.

And the fact remains, Rikki is in this position, not Lindsay, so why do we need to compare? Are they doing an AU storyline soon too? Yes, we're biased against Rikki, and you can't deny the D/F, D/R thead is biased against Lindsay. So what's the big deal?

Liffy and I have already changed positions...suddenly I'm the optimistic who sees a happy ending and he can only come up with the most angsty scenarios imaginable...:wtf:

I've given up on the angst. Nah, angst just doesn't work for me. Tried it out - it didn't work - so Im back - to fluff side. :devil:

Meep! I hope Rikki doesn't come back, ever, so that DL can be left alone to work things out between them without any outside influence, yadiyada. But if she were to come back, I hope we get a scene between her and Lindsay (is that too much of a dream?) And no...Lindsay doesn't have to kill her, but I think it might help Lindsay forgive Danny if Rikki told her it was only a one time thing...or something along those lines. They were grieving...yak yak yak...goodbye Rikki! Nice to see you Go!

Then the house can fall on her :guffaw:

Hmm...me being optimistic, has me thinking that Danny, if he wants her back, is going to go through a dry spell of no sex (hahaha!). Rikki, even though she knows about it just being nothing more than sex, hopefully finds out about Lindsay and uses her brain, since Danny's is MIA, and steers him towards a less...destructive course.

I'm not saying this mess is Danny's fault alone, but Lindsay's isn't always forthcoming about her feelings so she's partly to blame. But she's said her piece, and now Danny has to share his thoughts with her, and with us, and I think it's more of if Lindsay accepts what he says or not. I dont think Danny even had a miniscule thought about he's doing would do to Lindsay when she finds out. Even if they weren't in a relationship, I don't think he'd be that heartless to not feel some guilt.

But eh, Danny's done a 180, so maybe the writers will do a 275 with him too and turn him into a porn star or an ice cream man :guffaw: Who knows...oh who knows...

But the thought of Danny as an ice cream man is killing me right now. ROFL!

 

[audacity]

I agree that calling people names isn't going to help the situation. We don't appreciate Lindsay being called names (yes, she has before), so I don't feel that our thread should do the same thing to Rikki or whomever. Maybe a pm or email or personal post would be a better place for that.

The idea that Lindsay would ever become a 'friend with benefits' just blows my mind. I don't think she needs Danny or sex that bad. She's willing to stand up to Danny and tell him what she feels. Evidently, he's not man enough to do the same. If the PTB didn't have an angle on this story, then Lindsay wouldn't be involved at all with it. She would have just stayed in the lab to present "Exhibit A" and "Exhibit B". But really, if it had only been a friendship or 'friends with benefits' relationship, then he could have told her on the phone that he was meeting a lady friend for lunch or doing something with someone else. That would have been okay between 'f*** buddies.

As far as everyone excusing Danny's behavior in this thread (whether it was cheating or just someone who needs) and reducing it down to, well, Danny's sad, well all I say is I'M NOT READY TO MAKE NICE. It's not about him sleeping with another woman, it's the fact that he can't own up to his s*it. If anyone can understand Danny, it's me. If anyone wants to meet my brother---there you go. Not much different. Only he can own up to the past and what he has done. I'm still not entirely happy with the decisions that he made when he was taking care of Ruben, and I can see him slipping further into a depressed state, but come on, one can only take that for so long. For instance, I was going to give Lindsay one more episode during season three to snap out of her depressed state. Then I was going to throw something. This storyline has gone on for way too long, and has only produced a regression in Danny's character rather than any progress.

At this point, I don't see any reason to continue with the D/L relationship. But only time will tell.

 

[Gaelen]

This storyline has gone on for way too long, and has only produced a regression in Danny's character rather than any progress.

I agree that that the situation has gone for far too long and has done nothing to "better" Danny's character.

On the other hand, the writers could be using this to redo Danny's entire character. They're could be taking him completely apart to rebuild a new character - one that was better than before.

Reality is that these kinds of situation usually does change a person's character. Whether it be for the worst or the better, that remains to be seen. This kind of thing happens all the time in Soap Operas and characters are rebuilt and redefined. But the fact still remains that this storyline has ventured away from the usual CSI:NY style - too far in my opinion.

Personally, I don't see any room for development in the Danny and Rikki relationship. We don't see the CSIs out of the lab all that often anyway, and what's there to progress? She's not a CSI and therefore has no purpose to be onscreen as much as the others. If only, it's to prop up Danny's character.

If DL's relationship is going to be revisited, the writers have much more creative options because they do work together, and we know that on some level, they do care for each other. I'm not happy at the way things are going, but then again, what DL shipper would? We can only wait to see the outcome of the storyline before any concrete "feelings" can be labelled. (and I cannot spell anymore).

Who knows, maybe in hindsight, I would actually grow to like what the writers have done. Right now, it's just far too soon, and the shock is still fresh, to be able to keep a clear head. We're angry, yes, but we need to stick to this relationship and hope that the writers know what they're doing.

The writers aren't stupid. 2 years of investing DL's relationship? If they didn't think it would work, they wouldn't have kept the idea for so long only to have a messy ending. No, there's something coming that we're unaware of, and until then, we can only stay and continue in the belief that Danny and Lindsay belong together, and that no matter what "others" say, that's what we see, and what we believe in.

As for name calling, yes it is childish, I admit that, but even I have my childish moments Can't be all grown up and mature all the time can I? And besides, I could help myself with the Wizard of Oz comment

 

[kinkapoodles]

I LOVED to pieces Lindsays behaviour when Dany came to work and Mac told her to fill him in and then she simply gave him the paperwork to read so as to catch up!!!That was so good...i think she should just accompany it with a kick at his balls but i digress since we know he doesnt have any.

I have to disagree with this. Whether she's mad at him or not, she was told to fill him in and she should have done as told. She was, after all, given a direct order by Mac. Upset or not, she should still be doing her job. They are still co-workers and are going to have to work together whether or not they're getting along away from work. She could have filled him in quickly and then just walked away without saying anything else but instead, she just shoved the folder at him and huffed off. That was a bit childish for behavior at work.

I agree that calling people names isn't going to help the situation. We don't appreciate Lindsay being called names (yes, she has before), so I don't feel that our thread should do the same thing to Rikki or whomever. Maybe a pm or email or personal post would be a better place for that.

I have to agree with this too. Maybe saying 'she acted like a bitch' or 'he acted like an asshole' would be better to keep the peace. I know you guys are upset and just venting but like was stated before, this is just a TV show, it's really not worth getting so worked up and upset. As for Lindsay being called that or worse, it doesn't happen in Shipper Central. As for the rest of the board, I'm not sure. I don't recall it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

The sad thing is that real life is full of cheaters and liars (if that's really what Danny's done - hard to say since we don't know if they're together - Carmine and Anna confirmed they don't know) so it's not such a big stretch to see it happen on TV between two people. Life isn't perfect and relationships aren't perfect but it makes for great drama and therefore TPTB eat that stuff up.

As for name calling, yes it is childish, I admit that, but even I have my childish moments Can't be all grown up and mature all the time can I? And besides, I could help myself with the Wizard of Oz comment

Agreed, and we all have our childish moments from time to time. It's understandable and you guys have every right to be upset.

 

[Little_Peaches]

I feel that having someone weigh in and think we are all a bunch of haters I should reiterate the whole Lady V term since I came up with it. It's nothing to do with her being evil & taking over the world (or causing the destruction of our ship cos imo she's not - she wasn't the one in the relationship) it is simply due to not being able to type her name after the whole 'bleugh' situation. So I referred to her as She Who Must Not Be Named. I do not hate the character as I have said in many of my other posts I cannot stand the idea that the writers would turn a grieving mother into a bad person. I do not like the situation & Lady V has just lost her son.

As for the Lindsay thing - there is a post named 'Why Lindsay Must Go' or something to that effect which I point blank refuse to view on principle therefore a DL thread is gonna be pro DL & anti anything that comes between them - namely Sexy Man Messer's lying cheating ass! I put the blame only on him and the messed up situation cos I can appreciate Lady V is seeking comfort.

*hides from being whacked with cushions & bricks*

 

[eveninstarz14]

I honestly think that Rikki and Lindsay are the ones who are getting the worst of everything. Danny is stringing both women along. His behavior was horrible regardless of who you like better, regardless of who has the better chemistry! Even if he wasn't with Lindsay (whether it was friends with benefits or as a girlfriend) I would still find his actions extremely distasteful. His actions angered me and sleeping with the mother of the dead child is NOT going to make the pain go away, if anything make one feel more guilty and ashamed. :scream:

 

[vegaslights]

I don't see anywhere on this forum where it says Lindsay's a bitch, or where she should get squashed by a house, or even getting shot. So I don't think those comments have been said.

Perhaps you should look closer and pay more attention.

Please direct me. As far as I know, there is a Lindsay Must Go Thread. We discuss the traits of Lindsay that should make her go. But we don't go around shouting "Bitch!"

Yes, it is a TV show, but as other people feel it is their right to dislike Lindsay with all their being, we have the right to dislike Rikki with all our being too. It's a TV show, like you said, so what's the big deal. You may think it's uncalled for, I wrote what I feel about her.

If you're going to vent by bashing a character in a certain manner, then maybe a personal post on LJ, chatroom, or email is the best place.

As for what the actress thinks, well did she expect people to just fall in love with her? Especially those who support Danny and Lindsay? Is she delusional? As a professional, I would hope that she realises her purpose in this series is to create drama and conflict, and henceforth, will create a wide spectrum of emotions towards her character. If I was playing Danny, I sure wouldn't be surprised if people started calling me a cheating B*****d. That's show-biz. You think Anna Belknap goes around happy that people chant "you can't act, Lindsay must go, you suck" all the time? Haha...but I dont see anyone complaining about that now.

I'm not saying an actress is just going to think the audience is going to fall in love with her right from the get go, but I don't think she's expecting to be called all these names either. See, I don't think there's justification for these names for Rikki. Do we know Lindsay and Danny are a couple? Are they dating? Carmine and Anna seem unsure of it themselves. Therefore, it would seem Rikki wasn't cheating and the names would be without merit.

And yes, you should think twice before saying that bad things haven't been directed at Lindsay/Anna before.

Not to this caliber.

Then the house can fall on her :guffaw:

Again with the derogatory comments. I rest my case... for now.

 

[eveninstarz14]

I personally try to refrain from bashing characters on these boards and just vent out loud to my friends so if I EVER bash someone on this let me know because it was completely unintentional!

 

[Little_Peaches]

I'm sorry but her performance was no deeper than a kiddie pool. And a shallow one at best

That my lovely people was taken from page 1 Why Lindsay Must Go #3 (no less)
I wished to see if this was the only thread around that made 'derogatory' comments, I didn't need to look far. Lady V has been explained, read any of my previous posts & you will realise there is no character bashing/assasination of the sort. *on my part - obviously I cannot speak for everyone*

My only concern with the character is that a grieving mother is seen to be portrayed as a 'home wrecker' I do not believe she is(writers, please take note). The house comment - Liffy having a laugh and I can't speak for him but prob in reference to the episode where the Dorethea Hotel owner is found dead no hating there. The 'bitch' I don't remember who said it and I don't agree with it at all.

If anyone wishes to see real offensiveness then please see the above comment re: Anna. That is a personal attack on an actor, not a dislike of the misuse of a character. I didn't go any further on the thread because I know I won't like what I'll see. I won't however jump in and say to anyone - 'Your point and/or opinion is not valid'. Please do not come into our thread and patronise us by claiming we are all nasty people who hate a grieving mother. At the end of the day we all appreciate she is seeking comfort & if Danny Messer's gonna offer it and she knows nothing about the possibility of him being in a relationship then why should she refuse? It was set up to look like he was cheating - hiding from Linds not correcting her on the gf comment. It's making Danny look like an ass and if they can clear it up in future eps regardless of the outcome we'll feel a bit better about it. May not be happy if our ship is sunk *prays it's not* but at least our faith in one of our favourite characters isn't ruined completely.

Again, as Starz has said, we wish to vent out loud - situations not character bashing.

*If my soap box gets any higher, I'll need oxygen*

 

[messygirl73]

well, I have tried to post a reply, yet it wouldn't let me.

OK, see that is why I stopped coming a while back.

The slanderous comments on Anna was what made me NOT come in here for a long long time.

I came back...however to only this thread so that I didn't see or have to put up with the bad stuff.

You know....I wondered to myself once...gee if Carmine really does come and read this stuff...I hate it for him. I mean, that is bashing his friend! Anna is his friend and when you are saying ugly comments about her as an actress it's just not right. I am sure it would be a great embarassment to him to know that a site that supports his efforts so much discredits his friends and co-workers.

Personally I can't stand the character of Katherine Willows, but I...A.) keep it to myself because others here like the character, and B.) do like Marg in other areas of acting.

Be balanced peeps! Enjoy discussing a fictional show and fictional characters. Don't be mean to the Actors.

 

[dutch_treat]

Dims said:
heck i even know a poor guy whose last name is Voldemort.....honestly!!!

Aaaw, that poor guy...I can only imagine what it must be like for him to answer the phone....:guffaw:

i think i loved all the Linds scenes more than anyhone this season.

Yes, that's one thing that really was nice about this week's ep...the fact that Lindsay finally spoke up and that she showed that she could be professional while being torn apart inside...she has come a long way..

Liffy said:
if she were to come back, I hope we get a scene between her and Lindsay (is that too much of a dream?)

I don't know if I would like that - there's nothing for them to talk about and it would be a totally awkward situation...Danny should really talk to the both of them -and keep his pants on- and make up his mind about what he really wants...Unfortunately this means that no matter how it turns out, someone will get hurt...

Auda said:
It's not about him sleeping with another woman, it's the fact that he can't own up to his s*it.

That's what I still hope he will do, when (or knowing TPTB rather 'if' :scream we get to see that talk between them...people make mistakes and he has made a big one, but he needs to be totally honest about it to start picking up some of the pieces of this shattered relationship again...

This storyline has gone on for way too long

I agree, but at this point they really have to follow it through now, or the confusion will only get even bigger than it was before...

Peaches said:
I feel that having someone weigh in and think we are all a bunch of haters I should reiterate the whole Lady V term since I came up with it.

Please do not come into our thread and patronise us by claiming we are all nasty people who hate a grieving mother.

Please don't worry about it sweetie, I think naming her thus because she's the One-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named here is on the same level as calling Lindsay scrunch-face ...No-one's gonna think we're all a bunch of haters because of that...In a way we all sympathize more with Rikki than we do with Danny...

And there are others curse words besides "bitch" wtf and Lindsay has been called that (and I'm not gonna waste my time searching for them, what I said before was those I recalled); so, since there has been admitted that we all act a little childish every now and then, could we please drop this subject - A mod has been in here, when there are any more problems use the 'notify' button or contact someone personally.