This season's season finale leaves one of the team dead. We don't find out who it is until next Fall.
And here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThVrE...e=channel_page
Argh! :brickwall: The video`s not available in Canada, apparently, so I`m gonna go on what you guys have said. I don`t know if ``you`ll have to wait till fall to find out who lives and dies`` necessarily means that they were speaking only about the cliffhanger at that point - they could`ve been speaking of Pay Up being a two-part episode that only finishes in the fall premiere. If everyone else is alive by the end of the fall premiere, their hint still stands, because we`ll know it was..everyone else who lived, and Angell who died.
...They`re good. They`re really good.
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...Finally, they could show growth in one of their characters and since Danny has settled down some it would be believable. Or it could be Hawkes which would give him a great opportunity to have a story line of his own. The team has basically been in the same positions for, what, 4 years now with no promotions or anything. Maybe it's time.
The show is indeed in great desperation for a progress/evolution/freshness within their characters, either in general or specifically to one. Do they think they can achieve that by bringing a new investigator?! But I have noticed that things have stalled too, yeah. Maybe that could explain why Carmine seems blasé and felt the need to take off his glasses to make his character feel fresh for him? In the first seasons, I had the impression the writers were trying to give every one a story line on a sort of rotation basis? Now it seems that's pretty much gone!!! I was dying to get Hawkes/Adam/Sid development for S5 but they left me on my appetite... I thought we were getting there with Hawkes in Yarhzeit, correct me if I'm wrong, when he talked about his uncle. There was also this story about his girlfriend being rape in one episode... can't remember what's the title...
See, CSINY surprises me a lot of times when I compare it to the other shows in the franchise. It`s cool to see the emphasis on family in the team (I definitely don`t think any of the other teams are as close), but at the same time it`s frustrating to see the other CSI shows deal with things like promotions, and training evaluations, and so on...whereas after S1, the same thing was never touched on again in NY. I for one would quickly get irritated with a job where there seems to be
no opportunity for advancement or change, no matter how close I was with my coworkers. Those things are just part of job life. If the writers have finally decided to catch up on this, I could see it as being life-changing.
The thing about Adam/Sid/Hawkes/Flack/Lindsay is that, as tangible as their characters are onscreen, they don`t actually get a lot of screentime or storylines to themselves, and so come out looking like background characters. Which is also frustrating. Maybe not Flack so much because he`s always with one or the other main character on the show, but as far as storylines go, they always seem to revolve around Stella, Mac, or Danny. At least Hawkes got some time to himself with the girlfriend story, which I thought was more than episodic, since it also played into his sympathy for Odessa what`s her name in Prey. I also enjoyed seeing a little bit of a Sid storyline with Marty Pino in 5.18 (total braincramp - does anyone remember what this episode was called?)
I don't think Danny was in love at that point either, but Danny is a very reactive character. He's easily hurt and cares very much about what people think about him--remember how upset he got in "On the Job" when Mac told him people had told him not to hire Danny?
:guffaw:I can definitely agree on Danny`s uber-sensitivity. But then, telling Mac not to hire Danny definitely implies criticism, as Danny rightly identified by asking who`d been ``badmouthing`` him. Lindsay basically said `I love you, I`ll get over it`, she completely made it sound like the problem was one with herself, not one with him. Yeah she was mad at him, so he could`ve taken it as another potshot in their fight, but he was already fine with her being mad at him. The only way this particular potshot could`ve hurt him was if he wanted Lindsay in love with him - I still don`t think he did, but you brought up something interesting...
I think Danny's whole relationship with Lindsay has been largely reactive--her interest in him sparked his interest in her, and then her telling him she loved him similarly caused a reaction in him. Danny reacts to people desiring him--it's what he did with Rikki, and I think the same is true of Lindsay. So I do think it was intended to hurt him because let's face it, everyone knows Danny is sensitive (understatement of the year, lol).
GAH! I totally agree, but this was the essence of what irritated me about the last part of S4. Whether or not they were dating at the beginning of S4, they clearly weren`t by Right Next Door. I thought it was Danny who initiated the thing with Rikki (wasn`t she the one in a hurry to leave the next morning?), but either way it was on with them right then. Lindsay lets her bomb drop and suddenly it`s all about her again? Everyone
does know how sensitive Danny is, but I thought that was why Lindsay phrased her whole love slip the way she did: as a problem with herself, not with him. Let`s face it, if she intended it as a direct hit, there were more direct, meaner ways she could`ve said it
without, you know, leaving herself open to humiliation like that. It was frustrating, to say the least, and I wish he had decided to keep reacting to Rikki.
I've only seen the episode once, but didn't she say "jealous, clingy girlfriend" or something to that effect? I always thought she was telling him not to stereotype or dismiss her rather than that she knew he was sleeping with someone else. If she knew or even suspected about Rikki, why wouldn't she say that directly? She accused him of shutting her out, which is different than hooking up with someone else.
No, she said ``
shallow, clingy girlfriend`` when she was telling him not to stereotype her. She said ``Don`t mistake this for jealousy, I what it`s like to grieve`` when she was trying to make him talk to her right before she left. You and CSI_Cupcake have already mentioned how grief probably motivated the Rikki/Danny relationship, and I just don`t see who else Lindsay could`ve been referring to. Who else would she have a reason to be jealous of? Danny wasn`t talking to anyone other than Rikki and (possibly) Flack at that point, and
she`s the one who sent Flack after him.
Edit: Sorry, I only just saw the last part of your quote. I guess it depends on whether or not you assume they were dating by RND. I always figure that they were ``off again`` by this time, and that`s why Lindsay didn`t say anything outright about Rikki.
I think at that point, it was a cruel thing to say. I don't think she knew about Rikki, so why not say to him, "I feel like I've done everything I can to reach out to you and you're shutting me out. And I can't try anymore." That would have been much kinder and more reasonable...except the problem is that we never really saw her reaching out to him in the first place.
In which case it not only would`ve sent the message that Danny wasn`t worth trying to reach anymore, it also would`ve been dishonest. I don`t think Lindsay did everything she could to reach out to him, and moreover I think she was perfectly aware of this. Not just by telling Mac that ``she wasn`t good at this sort of thing``, but not once in her little blowup at Danny did she mention how often she`d tried to reach out to him. She just kept saying `I know what it`s like to lose a friend`, it was more like she basically sitting there, waiting for him to open up to her right there in the office. She kept waiting for him to talk to her, and I think that`s the major problem.
Kind of have to disagree here. Maybe it was that way in the beginning for Sara, but eventually they seemed to make a little bit of a deal of her and Greg's friendship. They didn't showcase the friendship as much as they did Warrick and Nick's friendship, but it was still there. Warrick/Nick were best friends and I believe wholeheartedly that the same is true for Greg/Sara. But, we just don't see that with Lindsay at all. She is only close to Danny.
Well, I think it`s a little unfair to compare Greg/Sara because Greg had a crush on her, and therefore an added reason to want to break down her walls (a reason besides mere friendship). And let`s face it, Greg tried for a long while before she started letting him in as an actual friend - I`d imagine it`s easier to respond to someone who`s
that openly eager to get to know you. It`s the same reason I think Lindsay became so close to Danny in the first place. She may have had a crush on him in S2, but for the most part she held him at just as much distance from her as she`s held all the other characters, until Danny pushed his way through.
) and promised him drinks in return. She ate bugs with the guy! She was pretty obvious about her attraction, but when he responded in kind, she pushed him away.
