Originally Posted by Top41:
PA's response pretty much sums up my feelings... not to mention, as we've talked about in the damaged thread, I think in a lot of those instances we were supposed to end up seeing Lindsay as justified in her actions. I don't really think she was--but then, I think if she really couldn't handle the basics of her job because of the shooting, she has no business being a CSI in the first place.
Not disagreeing with that; in fact, that's kind of my point. I do think we were supposed to see Lindsay as justified, but I know there were a lot of people cheering Stella on when she took Lindsay to task in "Silent Night". Hell,
I was cheering Stella on in "Silent Night". Does that mean I'm defending someone who's actions are inexcusable and indefensible? No; because whether she should have or not, Lindsay signed up to be a CSI, she did something wrong (skipped on her duties) and
she is accountable for her behaviour. I'm not seeing the huge difference.
This is a different situation. As PA said, this is the present. And though I'm sure they'll both be emotionally hurt by what happens, it's Danny who is physically affected, whose body is changed from the shooting. And yes, that trumps any angst or frustration Lindsay has. It really trumps just about everything else--which is why I'm so glad in that clip Stella is calling Mac out on his "me, me, me" attitude.
I'm not disagreeing with this either: it's Danny's pain, his issue, it's not really about Lindsay. That's fact. And obviously, there's no real way to tell right now exactly how Danny's going to respond. But he pushed for the marriage, he signed on for the responsibilities he now has. Obviously he didn't plan on getting shot. But if he brushes aside those responsiblities or he's rude, he's done something wrong and he is accountable for his behaviour. Like Lindsay.
That's where there's no difference in these situations. It's the idea that he's
not accountable that I'm against (especially in light of the idea that if Lindsay does the same - shirks her responsibilities - she's awful for it). Physical pain or not, if he does something wrong he's done something wrong. Saying he hasn't is like saying Lindsay was perfectly entitled to be a b*tch to Adam when she was in labour.
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to get frustrated, but at the end of the day, it is secondary to what he's going through, at least when it comes to their interactions. If he's cranky, sulky, difficult, emotional, sad... she's going to have to put up with it, and what's more, look for a way to reach him. He did more for her in season three before they were even together than she's ever done for him. It's time for her to step up to the plate.
True. He did it for her in S3, so I'd like to see her step up and do the same now. But this is the other issue. If Danny had told Lindsay where to get off in Season 3, like Stella did, I can think of few people who would've felt he was unjustified in doing so. Rightly so, because she was being rude and irresponsible, shutting him out and snapping at him. She may have had her reasons, but that's what she did, and he had every right to get fed up. But somehow it wouldn't stick if Lindsay were to do the same now? People who would think she's right to do so are excusing the inexcusable? Of course, it all depends on how Danny actually behaves; he has every reason to be cranky and difficult and etc. But no one has the
duty to just sit there and take his bad behaviour (it's nice if they choose to, but not choosing to or taking him to task for it doesn't make them horrible). Lindsay may have more of an obligation than most, but he has obligations to her too now; and I don't see how it's okay if he doesn't pay so much attention to his, while Lindsay has to pay attention to hers.
But time does make a difference--that's just a reality. Otherwise, people would never move on. We'd still be grieving for whatever losses we've had as fresh as the day we first experienced them. That's not how it works--thank goodness.
There's no way to accurately judge this. People grieve in different ways, for various periods of time - and there are always things that rip open the wounds so that they feel fresh (like, say, having to face the murderer?). Not to mention I still don't see how Lindsay's actions would've been any more acceptable if her friends had just died. Either way, she wasn't behaving nicely. Doesn't make her a bad person, any more than it makes Danny a bad person if he gets cranky/sullen/whatever over this. But they're both still accountable for their behaviour.
Lindsay did get some slack in season three--maybe not from everyone, but certainly in the story. What's her excuse in season four? It's not that she went through some shit and was selfish and then got over it--it's that she's consistently self-involved. This storyline could be good for her if it forces her to wake up from that. If not, I think people are justified in saying they'll be reviled.
Difference of opinions, of course; people are just as justified in saying that they
won't be reviled, or that they'll find it easy to defend Lindsay's behaviour (again, depends on what happens). I'm not comfortable with the idea that if they
do, it'll mean they're watching the show the wrong way, or they're feeling sympathy for the wrong character, or that they're blindly defending her. To some it might be completely incomprehensible that Lindsay could seem at all in the right in Season 4, but to a lot of people she did; not because they're blind Lindsay-fans, but because there's never only
one person who's completely in the wrong during a showdown. There are two sides to every fight, and they might have chosen to take hers.
ETA:
I think she didn't get the "it's okay, it's not your fault" that she was looking for. Maybe the beginning of trouble between them, of him really seeing her self-involvement and that she's "not what he thought she was."
Personally, I think he didn't say anything because he
did blame her a little for his incident in the warehouse (although, you know, he could've avoided it easily by waking her up when it was time for her shift). I can't read much self-involvement into "I'm sorry, you took my shift", especially since she never got the response she'd have to be looking for to have that line become self-involved. So I tend to call a spade a spade: she felt bad.
..and I agree with Andromeda it wouldn't be a shock for her to be with Mac.....so I guess it is Adam....I just can't see her doing that...but I guess people react to grief differently...