"73 Seconds" Discussion **SPOILERS**

-I love D.B. Russell. He's a breath of fresh air after staid Laurence Fishburne. I liked Langston, but I never bought into his One True Love affair with Gloria, and so I never invested fully in his arc with Haskell. But Ted Danson gives me hearts in my eyes. He's quirky and spunky, yet firm when he needs to be. He's not Grissom, detached from most interaction; he's as engaged and socially-aware as anyone in the lab, but he has Grissom's sense of wonder.

-Way to show your ass, Catherine. I don't blame her for being pissed at her demotion. She's worked hard for a long time, and it's got to hurt to lose what you've worked so hard for with a sweep of a pen and the invocation of the sacred law of bureaucratic ass-covering. But the truth is that whomever sits in the big desk when the shit flies is held accountable when it's time to clean up, and she was at the big desk when Langston when apeshit and Nick decided to abet him rather than stop him. If she wants the credit for the lab's success, then she has to take the lumps for its catastrophic failures, and the debacle in Los Angeles was a spectacular display of lack of institutional control. As a supervisor, she utterly failed to keep her subordinates under control. If Grissom had been at the big desk when Langston found his vigilante leotard, his head would have rolled, too, and he had a track record of unparalleled success behind him.

The first part of her rant was justified. Nick shouldn't have been cutting deals with parole officers. That kind of thinking has gotten the lab into trouble. But everything after that was pure petulance and unbecoming tantrum. "I lost the title of prettiest girl in school, er, got demoted!" And? "D.B. Moonbeam"? Really? That was her tack for proving her qualifications as a supervisor capable of making tough decisions? To resort to foot-stamping and name-calling? Not to mention the toothless threat to fire Nick. Yep, she sure demonstrated the requisite level-headedness necessary to lead a lab by continuing a screaming match after it became evident the whole lab was listening.

And I like Nick, but he should have been punished for his role in Langston's rampage, not sent to Hawaii for three weeks. That he, who was there and could have stopped Ray at any time but chose not to, got no punishment, while Catherine, who was in Vegas, and who had issued the order to have Langston frog-marched back to Vegas, got demoted, is ridiculous. Catherine should have pointed that out instead of slagging on her blameless supervisor.
 
I agree. There's a huge difference when you're dealing with a six year old who has been traumatized and a murder suspect who broke the law on his third strike. Comparing the two really makes no sense to me at all.

When Nick was offering that guy help right when DB got on to him for it, hadn't the guy already been cleared in a murder? Or did he actually kill the guy who killed his brother? I think I missed a bit of the dialogue around that time because someone called lol.
 
I can't wait for DB and Grissom to meet either, Grissom will probably try out DB's playing dead thing :lol:, same with Morgan and Grissom, I wonder if they'll get not get along like Ecklie and Griss or get along just great

"Secret Seal"- sounds like Perry the Platypus to me :lol:;) Yes I confess I watch Phineas and Ferb

Shouldn't they be doing the octotopsy in the morgue? Or was the morgue backed up

Greg around Morgan :adore:

Nick: "Don't even think about it" well the real thing Greg would have to worry about is Ecklie

Octopus woman: "I didn't feel like getting shot"
Brass: "Who does feel like getting getting shot?" -a little Bang Bang/Way To Go continuity

Yeah they did delete the "Do I look like an angel" , I didn't catch it the first time

Ecklie: "Your jacket is impressive" Apparently he doesn't know this, "What was it this time?" :lol: so she got in trouble a lot in the past- childhood and high school

"I think poaching is the least of your problems right now" :lol: I'll say

Nick I like you but lately I have not liked where your character has been going, all the banging down doors with a gun and especially the "I wouldn't change a thing" I don't like at all, hopefully DB will set him back on track
 
I agree. There's a huge difference when you're dealing with a six year old who has been traumatized and a murder suspect who broke the law on his third strike. Comparing the two really makes no sense to me at all.

When Nick was offering that guy help right when DB got on to him for it, hadn't the guy already been cleared in a murder? Or did he actually kill the guy who killed his brother? I think I missed a bit of the dialogue around that time because someone called lol.

I think maybe she was referring to the conversation when Nick was interrogating him and he said he played baseball in college too. At that time the guy was still a suspect.

I still think that part was more about building rapport to get more information rather than Nick trying to make buddies with him (isn't that what Ecklie said? Something like that.).

I'm just over the tension tho and hope it's done with. It reminds me of "After the Show" when they were all pissy with each other over Catherine taking over the case (her, Sara, and Nick). That episode still makes me uneasy when I watch it.
 
I was getting confused. I was thinking people were talking about Nick wanting to help the guy after his third strike. I can maybe see how they might think it's a bit hypocritical for DB to talk to Nick about the baseball conversation, but I still think there's a difference between trying to make a traumatized child feel safe and comfortable and getting too familiar and attatched to a suspect/criminal.
 
I do note that Catherine's issues didn't just start the end of the season. Remember back in season...was it 9? Right after Riley left. Early 10 maybe. She said there wasn't cohesion way back then and that Cath wasn't a good leader.
 
Actually, the WHOLE team needs to act within the rules of the jobs, including DB. What he did with the kid was outside of the rules.

He criticized Nick for getting too personal with the dead guys brother and then turned around and did the same with the kid.

I'm all for acting within the rules, but sometimes rules were made to be broken. ;)

Nick honestly thinks what he did was right and he stood up for that and he put blame where it belonged, on Langston.

Because no matter what ANY of them did, they were all put in that situation because of Langston and his obsession with Haskell.

The only one who seems to have 'gotten off' is Langston. He no longer has to deal with it, while the team still does.

The difference here is Nick was getting comfortable with a potential murder suspect. DB was trying to have the kid open up about what happened after he witnessed his mother get shot. Trying to show that he's a man of his word, DB paid back the little boy.

I agree. There's a huge difference when you're dealing with a six year old who has been traumatized and a murder suspect who broke the law on his third strike. Comparing the two really makes no sense to me at all.

I wasn't talking about when he was with the boy in the hospital and the whole invisible ball thing. I was also talking about DB comment on Nick getting personal when Nick was interrogating the brother, not the 3 strikes thing.

I was talking about giving him the money and offering tickets to a basketball game.

I mean really, the boy saw the money fall out of the guys pocket and took it, so really that was stealing ;) and DB was rewarding him for that.

Yes, the kid went through the trauma of seeing his mom shot and all, but still.

Just saying. :)
 
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I mean really, the boy saw the money fall out of the guys pocket and took it, so really that was stealing ;) and DB was rewarding him for that.

Yes, the kid went through the trauma of seeing his mom shot and all, but still.

Just saying. :)

You're right Speedy we've missed the main point in all of this and ignored the real criminal, i say lock up the kid and throw away the key!! ;)
 
Really enjoyed the episode and I can't wait to find out how things with develop during the season!

I adore DB already :D I loved the way he thought everything through, he was never devious but you see he was working towards a predetermined conclusion.

I thought Cath was great in this episode, she held her tongue for as long as she could and she finally snapped, it felt natural and I really think she's accepted she's made some mistakes and wants to move forward. I felt a bit sorry for Nick as he walked straight back into the situation whereas everyone else has had a few weeks to think it through, but I think Cath was right in everything she said to him and the sooner Nick see's that the better for him and the team. Loved how DB dealt with it too, he could see they were fracturing further so instead of shouting his head off for them to man up and get along, he brought them together in a way that will hopefully remind them they are friends who respect each other.

Greg was adorable, he seemed to have his enthusiasm and hyper energy back :D I enjoyed the snippet of information on his family, that's the kind of character develop I like, you just get an insight here or there that create a bigger picture :)

I enjoyed Morgan's introduction too, I'm glad they didn't include her fully as it would have been too much with DB as well, but we know she's coming and we knew who she is.
 
Everybody keeps saying that they want Nick to take responsibility and listen to what Catherine said. The problem is, she was yelling and the natural response is to shut out what the person is saying because now you are mad. If she would have kept calm and talked to him, then it would have turned out different and he would have taken the time for self-reflexion.

Also, it is NOT professional to yell in the workplace. If yelling is the only way somebody knows how to get their point across, then they need a combo of communication training and assertiveness training. Being assertive= good, being aggressive = bad.
 
I mean really, the boy saw the money fall out of the guys pocket and took it, so really that was stealing ;) and DB was rewarding him for that.

Yes, the kid went through the trauma of seeing his mom shot and all, but still.

Just saying. :)

You're right Speedy we've missed the main point in all of this and ignored the real criminal, i say lock up the kid and throw away the key!! ;)

And clearly DB just sowed the seeds for this kid to be a career criminal by giving him another $100 bill and rewarding him for taking it with a basketball game. DB needs to be fired and arrested for aiding and abeting! :lol:
 
You're right Speedy we've missed the main point in all of this and ignored the real criminal, i say lock up the kid and throw away the key!! ;)

And clearly DB just sowed the seeds for this kid to be a career criminal by giving him another $100 bill and rewarding him for taking it with a basketball game. DB needs to be fired and arrested for aiding and abeting! :lol:

Yeah, sending a message to a kid that he stole and that's okay and then rewarding him for stealing is so funny. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
You're right Speedy we've missed the main point in all of this and ignored the real criminal, i say lock up the kid and throw away the key!! ;)

And clearly DB just sowed the seeds for this kid to be a career criminal by giving him another $100 bill and rewarding him for taking it with a basketball game. DB needs to be fired and arrested for aiding and abeting! :lol:

Yeah, sending a message to a kid that he stole and that's okay and then rewarding him for stealing is so funny. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well i don't know about the US or anywhere else in the world, but in England it's the done thing.

Seriously though the kid recognised it was wrong and wanted to return the money, it'd be pretty heartless to beat down on him and more damaging in the long run (plus the kid likes ants he's the next Grissom not Son of Sam).
 
You're right Speedy we've missed the main point in all of this and ignored the real criminal, i say lock up the kid and throw away the key!! ;)

And clearly DB just sowed the seeds for this kid to be a career criminal by giving him another $100 bill and rewarding him for taking it with a basketball game. DB needs to be fired and arrested for aiding and abeting! :lol:

Yeah, sending a message to a kid that he stole and that's okay and then rewarding him for stealing is so funny. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

No, but saying they're sending that message in an attempt to defend Nick is hysterical. :lol:
 
I think everybody needs to take a step back here and cool it. There is no need for sarcasm and petty bitching back and forth about these fictional characters. Everyone has their opinions, we all love the show, this is a fun place to discuss it, let's act like adults about it.
 
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