08 Presidential Elections

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If Obama does get it though, I'm making arrangements to move to Canada. Oh wait, they're more liberal than we are....Um. Mexico? lol

:wtf: Seriously? You think it's bad here, go ahead and go to Mexico then. I'm taking it that you've never actually been to Mexico. Because If you had, you would never, ever want to live there. Canada is more liberal and look! People aren't half as supid, ignorant, arrogant, or stuck-up. How about that!

Don't get me wrong. I love the idea of America, but america itself has alot more underlying issues than we think we do. Yes, we're "the most powerful nation in the world" but that means nothing if we aren't willing to use the freedom that people have fought for. By not exercising the outlets for information me have. By not exercising or rights as americans.

That's why people form other countries call us stupid. Because 50 million of us aren't registered to vote, and because of comments like the one you just spouted.:rolleyes: There are people all over the world who would literally KILL to vote, but Americans would rather sit on their behinds rather than vote. Then when something doesn't happen the way they hoped it would, they are the first to complain. Come on America.

You're entitled to your opinion, but please, please back it up with facts.

I totally agree, kimbo. Most people who don't vote complain about how is elected but won't do anything to voice their opinion. I tend to wear my "If you didn't bother to vote, don't complain" t-shirt the day after elections. A lot of older people tell me I'm wrong for wearing it and when I respond with "well, did you vote?" and they say no I tell them then you really have no right to say anything about my shirt.

The county is more screwed up than most of the leaders are letting on, and that's what bugs me the most. Give us the straight facts and stop tiptoeing around the rose garden, we're all able to handle it.

Totally right on about the fact there are people in other countries who would love to vote but because of dictatorships, religious reasons, complete isolation, etc they aren't allowed to do so.

We take a lot of freedoms for granted, and if they were suddenly taken away I wonder how many protests would break out. Voting is a privilege not a right, but to actually say that one has made a difference there needs to be some give instead of just take.
 
Thank You! Someone else who agrees! I thought I was alone. I totally agree. I have a rock the vote t-shirt which I got about 2 months ago. People even scowl at that because they automatically believe that it is a liberal organization when that is simply not the case.

Voting is a privilege that is ghastly taken advantage of. And if that right was taken away, I dare say that the people who didn't vote would be outraged. You know us American's hate being told what we can and can't have.
 
Oh Lord...I was kidding people. I wouldn't actually consider moving to another country...Yes I have been to Mexico, I've been to one of the worst parts too. I went on a mission trip the summer before last and we went to this village thing...anyway, it was 3rd world stuff.
So no, I don't really want to live in Mexico.
I've been to Canada too.
I don't really want to move there either. Taxes are too high.

Look what happens when I try to put up a lighthearted post...

I don't understand this whole "Stupid American" thing. It's prejudice...There's too many people in this country to consider grouping us all into one bias. This is just irritating.
 
I don't understand this whole "Stupid American" thing. It's prejudice...There's too many people in this country to consider grouping us all into one bias. This is just irritating.

This is the repercussions of the Bush administration....other countries tend to think that since the not so smart man was elected we must all be dumber than rocks. Sadly it's not the case, but many countries do think of Americans as stupid.

In France if an American asks for something they do get treated differently than someone from Canada. And I've seen this done when I was there, though not directed at me, it was directed to someone in the group. And it wasn't just the one place we went it was all over. Though we did run into some nice ones there are many who have hateful feelings towards the US. Irritating or not it's a fact of life that we have to live with.
 
I don't understand this whole "Stupid American" thing. It's prejudice...There's too many people in this country to consider grouping us all into one bias. This is just irritating.

Well, whats irratating to me is the fact the we can elect a moron like GWB twice, but we can't take it when people call us "stupid". We gave this man literally FREE reign over the country for eight years. So we do indeed deserve to be called stupid.

It's not technically prejudice if the group of people you are judging makes the same stupid mistakes over and over again. Prejudice is judging someone on face value or before they get to know the person, or in this case, a group of people.

We let everyone in the world know just what were about when we invaded Iraq on false pretences. We let them know what we're about when we don't allow same sex partners to get married, or when we deem someone unfit to be president simply because of their pigmentation. So yes, the world knows all about our short comings and misgivings, because we let them know it in our attempt to control the world and in our success of condemning anybody in the world who does not agree.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked. That's not what I'm trying to do. I just want people to think and view things from the side of tracks.
 
In France if an American asks for something they do get treated differently than someone from Canada. And I've seen this done when I was there, though not directed at me, it was directed to someone in the group. And it wasn't just the one place we went it was all over. Though we did run into some nice ones there are many who have hateful feelings towards the US. Irritating or not it's a fact of life that we have to live with.

The best thing an American abroad can do is pretend to be Canadian - and I mean that in the nicest possible way. A high proportion of the Americans who come to Europe are so ignorant about the world outside the US it is unbelievable. They are extremely insultive in their attitude to our way of life that most Europeans have no time for them.

As for American being 'the most powerful nation in the world', I think you'll find China now hold that title.
 
I felt Obama did much better than McCain in the first debate. It seemed McCain would make a statement about something Obama had supposedly said or done, then Obama would come back with facts or figures which totally refuted the statement. That's pretty much how the campaign has gone so far. Perhaps McCain had another reason than the economy for not wanting to be in Mississippi tonight.
Today, I went looking for what the rest of the world thinks of both candidates. I braved the world's leading financial magazine, and usually rather conservative Republican leaning (after all Republicans are the party of big business), The Economist. I used to work with their info in a pretty conservative environment, and they were considered to be one of the two most credible open source sites because money needs to know the truth to make more money, simply put. Imagine my absolute shock to find that their worldwide network is polling most of the countries on Earth and finding that, within the primarily economic community, Obama would win a "world electoral college" vote by at least a three-to-one margin. In fact, so far, only El Salvador is backing McCain. I know we're not loved right now, but I didn't realize the dissatisfaction was so widespread. It's a little scary. I didn't realize I was so insulated from world sentiment.
 
This debate was a total win for Barack Obama, poor out of touch McCain kept bringing up past events that had what-so-ever to do with the 'now' events, and the rudeness of him NEVER looking at his opponent, what's up with that? our whole family and friends who watched this debate were appalled at McCains never really touching base with the questions asked :confused: the guy just doesn't get it:alienblush:

http://news.aol.com/elections/debates
 
I stayed up till 4am here in the uk to watch the full debate and like most of you I feel Obama definately came out on top. To me McCain seemed to be getting frustrated that he couldn't actually make a point whereas Obama took it all in his stride. I agree that America's status has definately changed worldwide and hope that it will change again for the best. McCain did come across a bit rude especially when his only comeback to every statement was "Once again Mr Obama is naive, he doesn't understand". I really hope Mr Obama wins because where I am it looks like the USA would be in turmoil should there be another 4 years of the Bush administration.
 
Good for you grissom89 that's very awesome,
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yeah he wiped him out and he and all of us were appalled when he said to go to some web-site to look up something, he, who doesn't even know how to run a computer, Barack is a calm, cool, collected classy guy & so intelligent and McCain, is well, out of touch:rolleyes: the bringin up past events form friggin' WW2:confused: get a clue~

Letter to the editor~

BUSH FAILS AGAIN
Lest there be any doubt, America's financial crisis will put the final nail in the coffin of the Bush administration. Not only is George W. Bush a lame duck, he's a dead duck. Sadly, history will judge this time as a predictable end to 8 years of arrogance and incompetence by the worst president in the history of the United States. And most unfortunately, our children, and grandchildren and great-grandchildren will pay the price for this voting generation's constitutional ignorance and carelesness when it comes to the state of our governance~

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I don't understand this whole "Stupid American" thing. It's prejudice...There's too many people in this country to consider grouping us all into one bias. This is just irritating.

You know how people voted for Bush, even though he is an obvious idiot? He makes up words! Holy crap!

Or how Palin got nominated as VP, even though she is clearly a bigger idiot than Bush? And there is a big percentage of Americans who actually support her as a pick?

Or how there is more extreme poverty in the US than any other westernized worlds, but no one seems to care?

Or how it is the only country that still does NOT use the metric system, even though it is superior, and we have to keep using the old system too because of it?

Or how the US has a horrible teen pregnancy rate, but still insists on that abstinence only crap, even though any rational person knows how stupid those programs are?

Or how the education system is so bad, you guys are falling behind more and more every year? Seriously, China has better education, in fact, the Chinese do out perform Americans (on average, the blue states are much better). Take a peak at the literacy rate, it is pretty bad. Plus, the US government doesn't put any money towards post secondary education like other 1st world nations.

Or how the US continues its failing crime policies, even though the crime rate is horribly high? The murder rate is insane, you might as well be a 3rd world country when looking at these stats. And the continued obsession with guns, even with the insanly high murder rate. Do you know how insane that looks from the outside?

Or how 45 million people in the US don't have health care? The US is the only 1st world nation without universal health care. And Americans who have private insurance are not healthier, in fact overall Canadians are healthier than Americans. (Google Harvard health care study comparing the two systems)

Or how a hurricane destroyed the Gulf Coast, and the US government practically left so many to starve because of race and they were poor. I was shocked at seeing the type of poverty i was seeing, it looked like a 3rd world country. And you saw the results of having low taxes right there...FEMA absolutely falling apart when you needed them. The first responders on site were CANADIANS. We have an amazing responders (DART).

Or how Harry Potter books are burned, or other 'offensive' books? And this is pretty common too...cause people are afraid of them, ummm ok.

Or the big evolution debate, which isn't really a debate outside of the US, because we actually have a real science curriculum?

Yeah...I could go on, but those are good examples of stuff we hear about and mock. Seriously, and if you critize the US, people start accusing you of being 'un-american'. How do you improve your system if you can't be critical of it to fix the mistakes?

Imagine my absolute shock to find that their worldwide network is polling most of the countries on Earth and finding that, within the primarily economic community, Obama would win a "world electoral college" vote by at least a three-to-one margin. In fact, so far, only El Salvador is backing McCain. I know we're not loved right now, but I didn't realize the dissatisfaction was so widespread. It's a little scary. I didn't realize I was so insulated from world sentiment.

American news is pretty bad, there is a lot of stuff that isn't broadcasted, and they tend to stick to American only stuff.

No surprise there, no one in places like Europe or Canada would vote for McCain. Maybe a small percentage...but thats about it. The mere fact that its close is mind boggling. You have to understand, while most people around the world have hatred or laugh at the US, it is directed more towards the government than the people. I have read about CIA agents going into OTHER countries (they did this with a canadian citizen, who was innocent, but because he was mulsim he was arrested), and arresting so-called terror suspects, shipping them off to Serbia (where the US government hires the Serbs to torture them) for months with little evidence. A lot of people want to see the Bush government to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Bush is responsible for more deaths than many terror organizations, and i am talking about civilians.

Plus, one big reason Canadians are mad right now (besides from stealing our oil, lumber and water...) is we agreed to help with the war in Afghanistan, but then the US started the Iraq war, and pretty much just destroyed the country and left. So now Canada, and other countries are pretty much stuck there, fighting your governments war.

But we do laugh at the insane stuff that comes from the American people as well, i mean being afraid of Harry Potter books? :lol: Or when McCain thought the Prime Minister of Spain was from Latin America, and was involved with criminal organizations :lol: That is stereotypical American.

I am not trying to call anyone stupid, but this is the harsh reality.

The best thing an American abroad can do is pretend to be Canadian - and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

This is very common for Americans to do, and it happens all the time.

As for American being 'the most powerful nation in the world', I think you'll find China now hold that title.

Yep, especially since China practically owns the US. I laugh whenever Bush talks about how we are all jealous, er no. Europe is light years ahead of North America, and have way better systems and technology.

As for the Debate, Obama did really well. McCain was like an old relative who brings up boring stories that you pretend to listen to :lol:. Obama has hit the nail on the head with many issues, he sees what needs to be worked on, and offers some reasonable solutions. I like how he wants to focus on Afghanistan, that is really important. McCain had that stupid smirk on his face too, gah. And you could tell he has a hot temper, just watching his body language. I used to like McCain too, now either the Bush type republicans have brainwashed him or his true colours are emerging.
 
Well, xfcanadian, I thought your analysis, complete with data to back up your points, was thorough and right on the mark. When I gave the Economist statistics, I was a little gentler than I should have been; the real figures are running about 80 percent or more for Obama, but I want bigger numbers of people to vote in that "electoral college" poll before I give conclusive numbers.

And I'm not as surprised as most about the results of our war in Iraq because I worked for years with experts who will tell you outsiders can't win a war in the Arab world. Family, religion and country, in that order, are where their loyalties lie. You can't win their hearts; perhaps the self interest of some, but in the end, like any group of people, the values they grew up with are bound to overcome greed.

Afghanistan was a correct move, but for some reason, Bush chose to change focus to a nation that had no Al Qaeda and no weapons of mass destruction. I'm sorry your guys are also paying the price in Afghanistan.

For some reason, my fellow Americans (U.S type) just don't get it: a few people, to whom power is an end in itself, are making sure they are economically set for life before the American people come to their senses.
 
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YES this country has problems. And I agree with you, xfcanadian, on a few things. But some of them are just absurd. Not everyone in the US thinks exactly the same thoughts.

Bush didn't start out being stupid....I don't know what happened. But what it looks like (not exaggerating) is that he's getting senile or something.

How is Palin an idiot? Am I an idiot because I support her?

There's poverty in the US, yeah, but the poorest person here is still doing way better than some of the people I've seen in Mexico. The government will take care of you here if you're too lazy to get up and get a job. (Though there's some people that can't work for extenuating circumstances, and I understand that)

Are you really going to bring up the argument about the metric system? Wow...

Yeah, the teen pregnancy rate is pretty freaking awful. I do believe in abstinence before marriage, but whoever is head of that committee needs to be taken out and shot....they aren't helping anything.

The education system here is literally scaring me. It's absolutely awful. I'm glad I got out of public education before it got any worse...About the Chinese: Look up how they teach their kids and make them study, and then tell me you would want that kind of education system. And the US puts plenty of money into college (or rather, students who qualify for government grants to go to college). And yeah, the illiteracy rate is pretty ridiculous.

The crime rate is bad too. And we don't have an obsession with guns, it's in the constitution that we have a right to bear arms. Most of the crimes committed with guns were used with guns that were owned illegally anyway. If we take away the guns, people are going to find other ways to kill people. The type of weapon has nothing to do with it. Look at how many stabbings Britain has had since they put in their gun control laws...

Canadians are probably healthier than Americans because this is the fattest nation in the world. People are lazy and eat too much and that's the truth.

About Katrina: The main issue wasn't the federal government (well, other than FEMA, that was a fiasco...) It was the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor. Look them up. They were both out of their minds... And NO it had nothing to do with race, despite what Kanye West and his ignorant self said. Most of the people there just happen to be black. If there was mostly white people there, the same crap would have happened. Yes, the federal government screwed up too, but it was mainly the mayor and governer who helped jack things up.

The book burning thing is a little weird, I'll say that. It seems like those people are trying to get attention. It isn't because they are afraid of the books, that's absurd. It's because they (in a twisted way) are trying to get rid of them. IMO, people shouldn't dabble in sorcery and all that, even if it's just reading a kid's book.

I don't know where you've been hearing this stuff about the evolution debate, I've been studying evolution since I was in elementary school. Yes, I am a Christian, but I do believe in evolution because there is obvious scientific evidence of it. The thing I don't believe is that humans descended from apes. THAT'S what people are debating, not the idea of evolution within itself.

There are several people who are critical of our problems. Both McCain and Obama are. I've never seen anyone run around saying they like this country exactly the way it is.

I'll admit there are several problems in this country, but I'd rather live here than anywhere else. I guess your Canadian news stations make it out to look like we're all wallowing in our own filth, but that's not how it is. How often have you been to America? Do you even know anybody here? Besides raging liberals who don't realize how good we have it?
 
I don't know where you've been hearing this stuff about the evolution debate, I've been studying evolution since I was in elementary school. Yes, I am a Christian, but I do believe in evolution because there is obvious scientific evidence of it. The thing I don't believe is that humans descended from apes. THAT'S what people are debating, not the idea of evolution within itself.

I would suggest you try studing the theory of evolution a little harder, as at no point does it or any scientist claim we are decended from apes. We are decended from a common ancestor - massive difference. Sorry but as a scientist myself peoples misinterpretation of the theory of evolution boils my blood, if people want to debate the theroy fine but make the effort to understand it first.
 
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