08 Presidential Elections

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Can we all just take a deep breath and relax please.You all know my mantra and not to step on mod toes in here when I say this, everyone is entitled to their opinion as those who are to disagree with it. But its how you handle that opinion that matters.

As to the troops being removed, he has stated in one rally that he was happy that Bush was doing troop removal in the same time line as he had. Not to menton that the Iraqis (one cup off coffee spelling could be off), have made statements to the fact that they want to take over and basically not have the troops as a safety net persae. They have a surplus of something like seventy-nine mil. if that is the case the ten mil that we send over there ....

I think I understand what Voodoo_Angel was saying in a way with regard to Muslim blood and I think I understand why comments were made of it. There is no way to predict what someone will do, due to their DNA, I honestly don't think his DNA will factor into his decisions, but then again maybe it would and in some situations maybe that wouldn't be so bad in some respect. If it helps in anyway to keep all of us safe. BUT I don't think he would use that all that often (if at all) just like I don't think every sentence will start with as a black man, or African American man, (not saying anyone said this). As to people trying to kill him, that is no different then any other presidents Kennedy, Regan, etc. There is no such thing as safety being in political office or any office. Most presidents would probably tell you that if they made it through their term/s without someone coming close to killing them, then it was just by luck.

If he can get all these people who are considered the enemy to the U.S. to sit down and listen to him and him to them, to come to a reasonable outcome. There is no way that we will ever be best buddies with certain countries. But if we can get some kind of even ground with them, which would basically mean we will not turn our backs to you, you will be watched but if working together for a common goal with economics, health, wars, etc. for everyone.

I think Voodoo_Angel was originally trying to say is what alot of people have talked about when it comes to troop withdraw, which is if he does this too fast (ie being sympathic to the iraqis) would that bring war to our door step. What we have to remember is that this is the internet and whether we like it or not there is a universal language barrier, not just because we might be from different countries but because with the internet you have to really listen to the tone the person is trying to talk in, were they trying to be hateful, sarcastic, funny, etc. and I think before we blow it out of proportion re-read what is said put it in many tones, and if you still are not sure what their intent was in their comments then respectfully ask them some questions, could be they mis-spoke, or if there is a language barrier due to countries that could be the problem.

All I am saying again not as a mod but a member who like everyone here likes peace, is just remember words can be taken out of context and what we need to do is stay calm and try to find out what they are really saying. But that is just my thoughts on it. Voodoo_Angel if I took your words out of context I am sorry.
 
Uhmm, just a technical point. Islam (or being Muslim) is a religion, therefore a choice. Semitic (those having origin in the Middle East/Southwest Asia) is genetic, or "in the blood." That includes those from Israel as well as Iraq, etc. Again, technically, I'm not sure if the Persians (Iranians) are part of that group. Does anyone know that answer? Bottom line, there is no such thing as "Muslim blood."
 
Thank you for clearing that up rahkira. And I never once said that you weren't entitled to your opinion Voodoo. All I'm saying is that it seems as if ever since he won, everyone is trying to figure out something wrong. I'm frankly sick of all the lies swirling around about him. How about he's taking out the troops because it's the right thing to do, and that it has nothing to do with his "Muslim Blood".

Sorry that you're mad now Voodoo. I called your opinion brain washed, which I'm sorry about, but I want to know where you are getting this from. It just seems like another lie that is being spread to discredit or cause uproar around him. It's just the mentallity of the question that makes me mad. I just wish that people would realize that the best person was picked for the job. Once he makes a mistake as president, then I can see you criticizing him. But until then, you have nothing to base it on.

Anyways, congrats to Barack. He deserves it.
 
Why you said, there goes our country? Because Obama won, just give him a chance, he may surprise you. I will give him a chance, he probably be a good President. I will give him a chance before I critrize him. He's new and He will learn all in the White House. I don't think he will pull the troop out. If I remember correctly, he said, he will pull the half of the troops out, keep the rest in Iraq. I don't think it got nothing to do with Muslim, He half muslim and half America, I think.

My mom said, she don't think McCain want to be President, he don't act like he want to be President.

I hope the guards protected him, his wife and his daughters from skinhead and KKK. I'm worry about Obama and his family and I don't want see them get hurt or worst. I think it silly to be act that way because of the color of his skin. He has the right to be here as we do.
 
It is this ideal that won him the election. Unfortunately, it is a poor mindset. I don't mean any insult to you personally, and I don't expect you to be an expert on American politics. The reality of the matter is that Obama is extremely niave. His ideas are not only niave but unrealistic. If the past 8 years were bad, the next 4 will be downright horrible.

He won because he's a media star. He's young and "cool" and won big with the young crowd. But he has almost no experience in politics and his niave promises reflect that. God save the country.

Okay I'm going to send you a PM about your comment about my 'poor mindset' because you can't expect me to not take that personally and I refuse to engage in mudslinging on the board.

Secondly, just because someone has a lot of experience doesn't make them a great candidate for President and vice versa. I'd much rather have somone who is inexperienced but with fresh ideas and an optimistic outlook than someone who is experienced but jaded and bitter.

I think it is high time we had goverment leaders in this world with fresh ideas because if the old ones were so great than why is our economy (in Canada and the US) in the toilet? Why are on the brink of an environmental disaster? Why are there so many people in the US dying because they don't have proper health care?

Obama may not be able to do everything (and he admitted that in his speech if you took time to listen to it) but he offered the Americans hope-that's more than Mccain offered and hell of a lot more than Bush (who never had a real job before he became President) ever did.

So excuse me if I displayed jubilance but I'm hoping this tidal wave of optimism brought by Obama carries over into Canadian politics.
 
Congrats Obama! :D As a (Conservative - imagine that :p) Canadian, I'm glad he won.

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Secondly, just because someone has a lot of experience doesn't make them a great candidate for President and vice versa. I'd much rather have somone who is inexperienced but with fresh ideas and an optimistic outlook than someone who is experienced but jaded and bitter.

I feel the same way. I'm optimistic for the US and it's going to be interesting to see what Obama does once he gets to the White House.
 
^^^ Here here, Edgar ! :) That creative writing course is really working out for you- your hopefulness for Obama was well-articulated. And I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the appeal of Obama is not his "naive" plans for approaching the presidency, but his fresh, still idealistic viewpoint. I have no problem with McCain quite frankly, and I've actually rather respected his particularly rebel-Republican standpoints over the years. I agree with his claims of being a "maverick". Had he been the Republican to gain office, I could have lived with that, and I'm not a Republican in any way shape or form. However, I think he's definitely still a member of the old guard, and I don't think that's what America wanted or needed anymore. Everyone in the US has finally realized that unilateral actions and a shoot-first-ask-questions-later platform is not even remotely respected by the majority of the rest of the planet. As someone outside the US, I think it's easier for me to take the broader view... and I think that, as much as I hate to say it out loud, the rest of the world has had a pretty dismal opinion of America (and, it follows, Americans) for decades now. And Obama has finally shown the rest of us that there is cause for hope. There's a chance that the US might actually want to negotiate things for a change. They might want to look for more positive solutions to huge worldwide problems and lessen the body count. And most importantly, he wants to look after his own people while doing it. That can only gain the respect of the rest of the world, in my opinion. And the US has been feeling the disrespect for a long, long time, whether you've noticed it or not. It's time you guys lost the "Roman Empire" parallels and became the nation you were meant to be- and this guy makes me hopeful that you all want to do that now. Why else would you have voted him in, if you weren't just as hopeful for a big change?

Again, congratulations to my American neighbours. I hope you can continue to support Obama Kennedy-style: "Ask not what your country can do for you..." ;)
 
First of all, I got a pm where the person said that I didn't like Obama. That's not true, I just wonder how he's going to go about pulling the troops out and the fact that I said he had Muslim blood, was not discriminating, I was just voicing my opinion and wondering if he would side more with them (in being sympathetic to them) than with the US (in being sympathetic to all the soldiers and their families)

And secondly, I'm not going to automatically jump onto the Obama bandwagon until I see how he runs the country. Of course everyone has their differnt views/opinions on him, saying he's going to be a great leader. But as we've learned from the past with Bush, we won't know for sure until he's in office :)
 
Ok people lets take a breather here and lets think things through a moment or two. Not everyone it going to be happy that Barack Obama won the election. Not everyone would have been happy if John McCain won BUT remember to please respect each other. Everyone has a right to an opinion BUT you need to be respectful of others.

Just because some of us live outside the United States doesn't mean that we don't know what's happening in the US. We have as much right to express our opinions as well as you living in the US. I'm going to borrow a page or two from some of the other mods here, if things don't settle down here I'll lock the thread for 24 hours to give people a chance to take a breather :)
 
1st - Congrats to Obama! I am glad that the Bush years are OVER. Let's move on and try to get our great country back on the right track.

2nd - I was glad this wasn't a close election. I was dreading hearing about votes needing to be recounted and stuff like that. This election was too controversal from the start....I didn't want it dragging on for days after.
 
Sorry Jacquie if it was my post that made you post that. I don't really see my post as disrespectful. I was just pointing out that I think It's best to see how he runs the Country before we judge how he is going to do it or say he's going to do an excellent job. We won't know for sure until he's actually in office and we see how he acts under pressure. A lot of people did that with Bush ... and we see the predicament we're in now, but I'm sure Obama will be tons better than Bush.
 
1st - Congrats to Obama! I am glad that the Bush years are OVER. Let's move on and try to get our great country back on the right track.

2nd - I was glad this wasn't a close election. I was dreading hearing about votes needing to be recounted and stuff like that. This election was too controversal from the start....I didn't want it dragging on for days after.

Here here! :beer: I agree it's time for a major change. And thankfully America has seen that it doesn't matter the color of one's skin but their ability to lead.

I was hearing reports that a lot of people were giving credit to site like Facebook and Myspace for helping bring out the younger voters. I can see this as a good kind of peer pressure, since someone sees that their friend voted and they decide to do the same thing. Each side has a causes page and though this people could donate their statues to remind people to vote, or even get out what candidate they were voting for. I think technology played a huge role in this election and will continue to effect them form now on.
 
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So, I'd just like to say congratulations to Mr. Obama for winning a hard fought race. :) It's sad that his grandmother won't get to share in this milestone with him.
Also, congrats to McCain for holding on until the end. My dad met him a few years ago when he was still a Senator, so now I get to tell him he got to shake hands with an almost-president. :)

I didn't particularily care for either of the two canidates, but I figure it's always nice to congratulate people whether you like them or not. No offense to anyone, I just didn't really like them, sorry. :rolleyes: It kind of made me glad that I wasn't able to vote this year ( I missed the registration deadline :( ) because I have no idea who I would have ended up picking.

It'll be interesting to see who Obama will choose for his cabinet.
Anyways, I'm just happy the election's over with, no matter the outcome.
 
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We're all over the moon, a steep hill to climb at times, but he took us over the top:thumbsup: and much thank's to OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, & FLORIDA:beer:for your electoral votes, and my own golden state CALIFORNIA, for 55 electoral votes, what a glorious historic day in America.. go Obama and YES WE CAN
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