Grade 'Raising Shane'

Orison, you brought up a great point. I had totally forgotten about Danny accidentally shooting the undercover cop in S1, that also probably contributed to the Captain's disdain for him.

Could it also be he was referring to the whole team? perhaps to the fact that Hawkes was charged with murder? not specifically Danny
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I give this episode an "A+". It was so friggin' great! I loved Hawkes in this episode. Edward Furlong, was nothing but brillant ! Danny, well I love Danny/Carmine so everything he says or does is great. Wish there was more of Lindsay.. I like her and can't wait to find out what the secret is about her past... what is Miss Monroe hiding?

GREAT EPPY!

Weren't we told during the case where a stripper Nick knew was murdered in CSI that if a CSI got arrested they'd lose the job?

^^I'm pretty sure that's what they said showtime. I was wondering about that when they arrested Hawkes. I was thinking "wouldn't he lose his job".

A+

CSI:NY has easily had the best episodes this season, and the best cast of characters (regular & recurring) being played by some of the best actors on television.

Weren't we told during the case where a stripper Nick knew was murdered in CSI that if a CSI got arrested they'd lose the job?

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It's possible that there's just different procedures to follow in NY than in LV. At the very least though, Hawkes would have been suspended from his job for the duration of the investigation.

I think though that maybe it wasn't so much a "you get arrested, you get fired" sort of thing as it was a "you get arrested and the next time you're on the witness stand a defence attourney will tear your credibility to shreds so effectively your career is over type of thing"

It wouldn't matter whether he'd been cleared or acquitted, it'd still be on record, and while he may have been totally innocent, bringing the matter up in a trial in order to impugn the character of a witness is all too possible.

A. I thought it was a fantastic episode.

Mac, what are you doing? Peyton was good for you.

It's possible that there's just different procedures to follow in NY than in LV. At the very least though, Hawkes would have been suspended from his job for the duration of the investigation.

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It's also possible that, jurisdictional procedural differences aside, that the CSI would also have a damned good case of wrongful dismissal. Here we had a case where it was clearly a setup and there was very little that Hawkes did that compromised the investigation. The bouncer clearly did not get a good look at him, nor was there any concrete evidence that he was guilty.

If a defense attorney chose to use the arrest alone out of context to call his integrity into question, it would suggest that they had a weak case, IMO. Yes, we've seen many a defense in many a procedural use such shady tactics, but that doesn't necessarily get the evidence tossed nor does it build a more solid case.

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Thank goodness, I thought I was the only one too! I mean ... 'Saving Ryan's Privates'?! And it's a spoof of a war movie? Chock full of men covered in sweat and dirt? How gay can a porn title get! :lol: :devil:

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My thoughts exactly! :lol: That was so gay porn. And Danny certainly seemed interested in it... :lol:

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When Captain What's-his-name made the comment about 'science geeks with a penchant for committing felonies' (or something similar), I had to rewind and listen again. Now, I don't think Danny could have become a cop in the first place if he committed a felony (although I'm not entirely sure on that one), but I'm thinking that maybe he was suspected of being involved at some point maybe...could it have something to do with him bailing Louie out, as he said at the end? When he was talking to Shane, the line about how you tell yourself that 'he couldn't do this, not this' (again, not an exact quote) stood out to me. So maybe he tried to keep Louie out of trouble when he did something serious? Maybe that was tantamount to being involved to some of the cops...I'm very curious about Louie's past, and just how involved Danny was with him...

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I took it as a reference to either Danny shooting Minhas (even though he was cleared) or his involvement with Tanglewood/Louie. Neither thing would make him popular with cops. It was probably the Tanglewood stuff, and being suspected of a murder, but maybe there is more from Danny's past that we don't know (in relation to Tanglewood). Either way, I doubt he could actually be a felon and still be working as a CSI. I think it was just a cruel dig.

When the Captain said that, I also would have thought Flack might come to Danny's defense. Now don't get me wrong, it was Stella's place to say something since she was the one being addressed, but Flack didn't even react--this is the same guy who shoved a cop in "On the Job" for making assumptions about Danny shooting the undercover cop. Um, what happened? Danny has shown that he's not the best friend in the world ("Charge of this Post," anyone?), but Flack has always been a guy to stand up for the CSIs. I'm going to assume that he didn't hear the part about beating some sense into Danny, because if he didn't say anything there... I know Don is concerned about how the other cops see him, and he obviously shows a great deal of respect to Captain Whoever-he-is, but it just seemed a bit out of character that Sheldon is a suspect, the team is being taken off of the case, Danny is personally insulted--and nothing from Flack? Um, yeah...

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I haven't rewatched it, but part of it could be that Flack is already taking so much heat over Truby that he just didn't need any more grief. Mac said in the last ep that Flack was being talked about a lot, so I'm sure he's a little more reserved than usual. But, I think if he'd thought Danny was in serious danger, he'd step in--he always has before. And the last comment, about the beating, probably would have made him pipe up, but I think it was said to Stella alone, and Flack knows Stella can handle whatever crap the captain was giving her. I have no doubt that if it had just been Danny and Flack there, Flack would have stepped up and gotten between his captain and Danny.

Speaking of character reactions: when they see Sheldon in handcuffs and the guy says 'that's him,' would there not be more of an instinctive reaction from Mac, Stella or Flack? Flack just goes 'are you sure?' like he could believe it? Maybe they were just shocked and at a loss for words, but still...

Danny in the scene with Shane was really funny to me. I'm not sure why. He just seemed so nervous and out of his element. I like that they didn't make him just sort of swagger in there like he's tough shit.

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That was actually my favorite thing about that scene. Danny was obviously scared, and we don't often get to see that. It made it more real to me, and makes Danny seem more human. Again, it's the little stuff like that that Carmine just nails, and it makes Danny seem like a real person, not just a cardboard standard issue cop character.

That was so gay porn. And Danny certainly seemed interested in it...

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:lol: I loved that he ducked out of his way to check it out, and he picked it up with a glove and everything. :lol: Don't want your fingerprints coming up on a porn DVD, Danny? :lol:

Either way, I doubt he could actually be a felon and still be working as a CSI. I think it was just a cruel dig.

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Yeah, I thought about it after I made that post, and the Minhas thing/"RSRD" plot seems like a much more realistic option. I'm not sure why I didn't consider that initially. :lol:

I haven't rewatched it, but part of it could be that Flack is already taking so much heat over Truby that he just didn't need any more grief. Mac said in the last ep that Flack was being talked about a lot, so I'm sure he's a little more reserved than usual. But, I think if he'd thought Danny was in serious danger, he'd step in--he always has before...I have no doubt that if it had just been Danny and Flack there, Flack would have stepped up and gotten between his captain and Danny.

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Definitely. Don has taken a lot of heat, and I'd expect him to be more respectful to the Captain than to the random cop on the street, so added together could be the reason he kept his mouth shut. *shrug* I'm still not entirely happy with the scene, but I can see why it was done right. In "On the Job" Danny was in trouble, but that wasn't the case this time.

It made it more real to me, and makes Danny seem more human. Again, it's the little stuff like that that Carmine just nails, and it makes Danny seem like a real person, not just a cardboard standard issue cop character.

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Absolutely. Carmine did such a good job on that scene, and there was still a certain subtlety to it, to the way his voice sounded and his hands shook. Very very wonderfully done.

It's also possible that, jurisdictional procedural differences aside, that the CSI would also have a damned good case of wrongful dismissal. Here we had a case where it was clearly a setup and there was very little that Hawkes did that compromised the investigation. The bouncer clearly did not get a good look at him, nor was there any concrete evidence that he was guilty.

If a defense attorney chose to use the arrest alone out of context to call his integrity into question, it would suggest that they had a weak case, IMO. Yes, we've seen many a defense in many a procedural use such shady tactics, but that doesn't necessarily get the evidence tossed nor does it build a more solid case.

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I believe Hawkes would be able to have his record expunged, so no arrest would appear. Then, a defense attorney would have no ammunition to utilize against him.

I gave the ep an A+. Everyone's pretty much covered it. Suffice it to say: Carmine and Hill brought their A games to this ep. Edward Furlong...nothing else needs to be said. Bravo to the whole cast and crew for a quality product.

True, though if it was in the papers someone still might try to bring it up. With the expunged record though, it'd certainly help Hawkes a lot. The defense people would probably just be told that it was expunged and can't be held against him or something.

Finally I've seen it!>...
It was an amazing episode..One of the very best!The way we see the team together trying to find out what happened and how Hawkes enden up in prison is fantastic!..Everything in a good amount,suspence,mystery,crime,team work,fight,hug !..I really liked that we saw the team is so close and they believe in each other..

A+..Great episode..

RE: Flack not sticking up for Danny... I'd have to go w/ La Guera on this one... Flack's gotta pick his battles, and the middle of a crime scene isn't the best place to have a Revolutionary War with your boss. If he was just a regular person, I would say he should have stuck up for Danny. But, he's not. He's a detective, he's got a job to do, and Stella was taking care of it. Danny hasn't been the greatest friend, either, [*coughs*CoTP] and might I add, Danny wasn't supposed to be on the crime scene. He wanted to help, sure, but rules are rules and he should have packed up his stuff and left. The Captain was a major jerk, but Danny shouldn't have been there. I think instead of complaining about Flack, we should be congratulating Stella for putting the Captain in his place.