Would you become a CSI?

id like to become a ME, finding out how they died what happened in the last few hours before hand very clever stuff. I got a couple of books from the library about forensics its really good really interesting but they have to know so much infomation its not like do a quick course and apply for job's, they were saying to be an ME you had to go to medical school for x number of years then again to specialise in forensics, i think to be a csi you need qualifications in the sciences etc then to specialise in an area. Its a lot of hard work, if i was smarter i would try it. maybe when i finish my plumbing qualification i will look more into it i could autopsy monday to friday and fix backed up toilets for fun at the weekend lol
 
Callacrap said:
I want to become a CSI! But in the UK they're called SOCO's (Scene of crime officers!)
When I had my interview for the college, the woman said there are visits from CSI's and stuff! I hope it's someone who owns a hummer!

SOCO's sounds so naff it doesnt really roll of the tongue like CSI does,
lol about the Hummer if your college is like mine parking will be crazy with a car that big- or it could just park ontop of other cars!
 
But in the UK they're called SOCO's (Scene of crime officers!)
Not quite. SOCOs collect evidence, and that evidence collected is passed to the detectives of the Criminal Investigation Department and to the forensic laboratories. The SOCOs do not investigate crimes or analyse evidence themselves. I don't want to do that job, it isn't very 'scientific.' :lol: I would prefer to work in a lab. Although, I plan to move to America, the English legal system is so ineffectual. For example, recently there was a case of a guy who stabbed his 2 friends to death. He got something like a 13 year sentence. How can 13 years alive, being fed and watered account for the lives of two people. But of course, he will come out of prison a changed man. Oh, and don't forget, if he is good, he will have time taken off his sentence. The prisons are overfilled. *sigh*
*steps off soapbox*
So yeah, don't want to stay in England if my job would contribute to nothing if you catch my drift.
 
Hi all,

Hope you are all aware (seems like most of you are) that the CSI shows portray scientific investigators who rarely exist in real life ... and, in my humble opinion, shouldn't. I say that from the standpoint of having worked and taught CSI for the past 38 years ... and as a fiction writer recently hired by PocketBooks to continue the series of short novels based on the CSI-Las Vegas show.

Why the word 'shouldn't'? Well, it's mostly an issue of conflict-of-interest and the premise that investigators really shouldn't conduct forensic examinations on their own evidence and thereby scientifically confirm their own theories re a case ... mostly because they were biased by their presence at the scene and interactions (if any) with the suspects. This applies primary to sworn law enforcement investigators with arrest authority to investigate crimes such as homicide, rape, robbery, burglary, etc.; but it also applies to CSIs who confront and interrogate suspects. Fortunately, there are very few CSIs today with arrest authority who are also forensic scientists. I was one such individual (ie: dinosaur) from 1968-1972, but I never actually arrested anyone, never interrogated anyone, tried to avoid the suspects whenever possible, and tried not to conduct forensic examinations on the evidence I collected at a crime scene. In point of fact, the suspect was pretty much the last person I wanted to see at a crime scene.

As I gather many of you are aware, CSI is mostly a lot of hard work ... going from scene to scene (you might work 8-10 burglary scenes during one shift) ... rarely --- if ever --- interpreting the evidence ... and only occasionally hearing how the examination of the evidence and the hunt for the suspect worked out.

Several years ago, when I started in this business, routine (ie: burglary) scenes were mostly worked by uniformed/sworn CSI officers, and the complex scenes were usually worked by criminalists and ID techs. Only the big departments had civilians devoted to CSI. Now most departments have civilian CSIs (they're a lot cheaper than sworn officers and criminalists) to work the scenes and collect the evidence ... which they turn over to the detectives or (preferably) drop off directly to the crime lab where criminalists examine and interpret the evidence, and hand their lab reports to the criminal investigators (detectives) who hunt down the suspects. The CSIs don't hang around the lab because they have other CSI calls holding. All in all, working CSI is nowhere near as exciting as the CSI shows; but its a useful and necessary job none-the-less.

Now, having said all of that, I should also say that my intention is to add a little extra CSI reality to these short novels for PocketBooks while maintaining the entertaining aspects of the characters and their interactions with the suspects. The actors are great, the shows are entertaining, and who am I to mess with their amusements?

Hope I haven't discouraged anyone who really wants to work in CSI. It is a challenging and interesting job, but if you're expecting the work to be 'exciting' or 'glamorous,' you're likely to be disappointed.
 
as a fiction writer recently hired by PocketBooks to continue the series of short novels based on the CSI-Las Vegas show.
Ahhh! Seriously? Oh. My. God. Just as a matter of interest are you a GSR fan? (grissom sara romance) :lol:

Thanks so much for giving us an insight into the job. For most of us the only information we can get is from the tv, so hearing the truth is great to hear.
Thank you. :D
 
Given the fact that I'm limited in my fiction writing of the TV-CSI-based novels to the personalities, quirks, habits and emotions of the characters as they've been broadcast so far, yes, I'm certainly interested in making use of the 'Grissom Sara romance' to make their lives a bit more difficult and confused while they're trying to resolve their crime scenes. :)
GSR, huh? Clever. This should be a lot of fun.
 
Oh, and I'm happy to answer any questions (at least to the extent I can) that you folks might have about CSI & forensics. I run a federal wildlife crime lab now, so our victims, suspects and related evidence items are a bit different than what you run across in human crimes (see: www.lab.fws.gov); but a lot of the gory human stuff is still deeply etched in my memories ... and probably my soul as well. Note: I'll probably bail out of this site for a while when the first CSI book comes out, but you can always e-mail questions. (I don't want people to feel inhibited about commenting on aspects of the book they don't like ... not that anyone seems especially inhibited on this site anyway). :)
 
Thanks Ken for some insight into what the job really is like. I always knew that being an actual CSI wasn't working in beautiful labs with goreous coworkers and doing everything the CSIs get to do on TV, but it's amazing to hear from someone who knows. Good luck with the fiction novels. Thanks! :D
 
Thanks for your input Ken. I know that there's really no world of crime fighting like CSI Miami or LV or NY, but we can hope. :D One day, probably many many years from now. :)
 
As the criminals get more innovative, thoughtful and technically educated/equipped (by watching CSI??), we're going to have to adapt ... as is happening now with digital evidence. Its also interesting to observe --- if that's the right term --- the growing number of assaults on our computer firewalls as the hackers attempt to get into our evidence and data files. Our most recent hires are a pair of young (21-22 year old) computer experts. If federal hiring rules allowed it, I'd have been looking for 12-14 year olds. The next few years ought to be real interesting ...
 
You are right Ken, there's so much stuff with electronics. Disposable cellphones being sold in China on the streets. No tracing whatsover. This century is going to suck for the Police Force and such.
 
GSR, huh? Clever. This should be a lot of fun.
There are hundreds of abbreviations that us obsessed use! GSR is my favourite, so clever. Makes us laugh when on the show they say things like "GSR in the backseat." :lol:

I run a federal wildlife crime lab now
I hadn't thought of that. :eek: That's great. When thinking about what I want to do after my degree I usually think of things involving human to human sorts of crime, I love it when I hear something else!
 
Thanks for the info Ken, it was always a mystery how if they spent days solving one crime how the caught up with all the crimes being commited inbetween, they seem to have artistic licence to the full on the shows to make it interesting, if we just saw a bunch of people spreading fingerprint powder at burglerys for 40 minutes every week we wouldn't stay tuned for long.

What kind of books are you writing just LV or Miami and NY too? You should put up the title(s) so we can have a read.
 
Bluntforcetrauma said:
What kind of books are you writing just LV or Miami and NY too? You should put up the title(s) so we can have a read.
Over in the CSI Merchandise Forum of this board, it was mentioned that his book is about the Las Vegas crew. It is called "CSI: In Extremis" and Amazon says it is due out October 30 of this year.
 
I am in school right now studying Psychology and Criminal Justice. I had thought about becoming a CSI for awhile but after doing a lot of research I realized that what they show on tv isn't actually what real life CSIs do. So I decided to become a detective instead. I am graduating next spring then I am going to apply to the Dallas and the Ft.Worth police departments. You have to start off in patrol and spend a couple of years doing that but I hope to move up quickly.
 
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