Why Lindsay REALLY Must Go (Pt. 2)
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penguinpie
Prime Suspect
Aye, aye! I think I fancy a cocktail myself. It's pretty hot here; time to break the vodka out of the freezer.
There does seem to be something going on with Adam and Lindsay lately, both as characters and onscreen. Lindsay certainly seems, judging by her behaviour toward Adam, to be the sort to suck up to the boss, be friendly enough to people on the same level, but a cow to those on the rungs below her. She certainly seems eager to demonstrate her superior position, despite not actually being Adam's boss.
I've seen some complaints from Lindsay fans that Adam has been taking away her air time. And yet, there have been Lindsay scenes this season that seem rather out of character for her. That scene with Danny where they argued the relative merits of the Batmobile vs the Mach 5 springs to mind. That scene would have played much better with Adam, IMO. Are they so stuck for ideas for her that they have to cut and paste another character's traits into her?
There does seem to be something going on with Adam and Lindsay lately, both as characters and onscreen. Lindsay certainly seems, judging by her behaviour toward Adam, to be the sort to suck up to the boss, be friendly enough to people on the same level, but a cow to those on the rungs below her. She certainly seems eager to demonstrate her superior position, despite not actually being Adam's boss.
I've seen some complaints from Lindsay fans that Adam has been taking away her air time. And yet, there have been Lindsay scenes this season that seem rather out of character for her. That scene with Danny where they argued the relative merits of the Batmobile vs the Mach 5 springs to mind. That scene would have played much better with Adam, IMO. Are they so stuck for ideas for her that they have to cut and paste another character's traits into her?
That theory simply doesn't hold water with me. Adam hasn't even been in every episode this season, and sometimes he's only got a minute or two when he's there. If we're going from an 'I was here first!' standpoint, Hawkes is owed more screentime than Lindsay, period.
I've never been bored enough to count the number of minutes each character gets in an episode, but I suspect it could boil down to the fact that Lindsay simply doesn't stand out whereas Adam does.
Or they thought that kind of personality would be more interesting/endearing, perhaps? Who knows. It seems pretty different from the Lindsay they were going for in early season two, I'll tell you that much.
Hmm, that's a valid point.
Lessien_Tinuviel
Police Officer
Not to be feeding the troll here, but I can't help but comment on this:
I'll steer this back on topic before Top comes along and whoops my ass. :lol:
Well, the way I saw it was, Stella was just saying the first thing that popped into her head. If I'm not wrong, by that point of the episode, they had found out that Drew was using Stella to get to Mac, so IMO, that was just a natural assumption, and not because everything is about Stella Bonasera.
I'll steer this back on topic before Top comes along and whoops my ass.
:lol:Pardon the sarcasm, but are they watching the show on another dimension, perhaps? How is Adam taking away Lindsay's screen time? He's been missing from 2 episodes so far as it is, and I agree with penguinpie that the Batmobile vs. Mach 5 scene seems like a better fit for Adam than Lindsay. Any day. Also, the OMG-I-ROCK! scene comes to mind. *shudder* As much as I want to forget it, I can't. Aiyeee.
mandy9578
CSI Level Two
Oh please...I sooo hate that over-the-top I-ROCK scene. That was such a try-hard moment for Lindsay. She just can't pull it off. That was one cringe-inducing image I'd never want to subject myself to ever again.
I admit when Lindsay came along, I was curious about her character but then everything immediately went down south for me. She just rubbed me the wrong way with her self-centered attitude. To me, the Country girl act got old pretty fast and Danny calling her Montana over and over again, just made/makes me want to roll my eyes in exasperation. I don't like how TPTB keep shoving down our throats the idea that she's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Her character is just too vapid and insipid for my taste.
And IMO, I'd rather watch more scenes with Adam in them rather than be subjected to the torture of watching Lindsay. Just love Adam Ross to bits!
I admit when Lindsay came along, I was curious about her character but then everything immediately went down south for me. She just rubbed me the wrong way with her self-centered attitude. To me, the Country girl act got old pretty fast and Danny calling her Montana over and over again, just made/makes me want to roll my eyes in exasperation. I don't like how TPTB keep shoving down our throats the idea that she's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Her character is just too vapid and insipid for my taste.
And IMO, I'd rather watch more scenes with Adam in them rather than be subjected to the torture of watching Lindsay. Just love Adam Ross to bits!
WhosLaughingNow
Lab Technician
I think that's very true in general. I think most of us can name at least one stand out moment for every character right off the bat. (And by stand out I mean having "Oh wow that was really great" moment. Not a "I'm even embarrassed to watch this" moment. That's more of a sticking out moment). Lindsay really has none that I can think of. Wait no, I lied. I can think of one. In The Lying Game when she was leaving in the taxi because you knew you wouldn't have to deal with her for a while
I remember I used to have a "Lindsay" friend. Selfish as sin and she frustrated me so much. I ended up hitting her across the face really hard one day when she pushed it too far(She pulled a "Lindsay being a cow to Adam")
. But she was a whole lot less irritating after that. Don't get me wrong though I am a nice person. I don't usually do that. Maybe Lindsay really should have been in the interrogation room in Oedipus Hex. :lol:
Lorelai
CSI Level One
Lol There is just one single person I'd take orders from. Just one, and he's a fictional character : Jack Bauer! :lol: Anyone else, *snort* I don't think so.
There's a pattern! Remember 401? If she's on the phone with Adam, she'll be rude to him.
Remember the puzzle episode? She spend the whole episode walking around with a bad haircut, following Stella and saying out loud the obvious. Oh, and she played with 2 pieces of evidence. All that while Adam was stuck with the 2 jumbo puzzles.
Now, the second Mac went : Oh noez! The puzzle is about my life!, Lindsay went : Oh noez! Must work now! So, seeing her helping Adam with the third puzzle felt so wrong! See boss, me is doing my job! Fay, Mandy just gave us the best reason why they copy - paste Adam traits into Lindsay. Because we love him! Why they pushed Danny with her? Because we love him. It's funny how they keep trying to make her likable by using the other loved characters. Let's have her talking and smiling at Flack. People love him, so if we make them seem best friends, maybe people will like her.
Dear TPTB, that don't work! When are you going to get it. Being 100% lovable is not a virus. She won't catch it just because you super glue her to the loved ones.
Please stop now!Love, Me!
My guess, Carmine isn't the only one reading talkcsi. It's almost scary. The moment that we like something about a character, it's a matter of time before we see it on Lindsay. BOOM, anyone?
penguinpie
Prime Suspect
OMG, yes. Lindsay: the popularity sucking vampire. She certainly sucked all the energy out of Danny in Season 3. Has Adam seemed listless and pale lately? What would repel such a creature? Maybe if we were to post a poll naming her the Most Popular, Beautiful and Loved Character in the History of Ever, we could draw her off long enough to rescue the boys. We must act fast! Flack may be next!!
Speaking of Jack Bauer ... He's between engagements right now; perhaps he'd be up for the job?
WhosLaughingNow
Lab Technician
Lorelai said:
My guess, Carmine isn't the only one reading talkcsi. It's almost scary. The moment that we like something about a character, it's a matter of time before we see it on Lindsay. BOOM, anyone?
Hey guys, you know what I love about Danny??? How sometimes he's all careless and doesn't really think and does reckless and stupid things. Like that one time he shot a cop. Amazing. Did I mention I LOVED how Aiden was unethical? You go girl. You defy what Mac stands for!!!
What? I tried. I guess we have to wait and see
Lorelai
CSI Level One
LMAO! Yes, Jack, the nation is under attack... again. U must save the men of CSI NY. And for once, u won't be alone! CSI NY fans wanna help. They'll actually follow u'r instructions so,
you should be done in 24 seconds. Is Jack gonna shoot her 24 times, strangle her with his bare hands or bite her to death? The answer: previously on 24 meets CSI NY... :lol: :lol: Just kidding! WhosLaughingNow, it's worth the try!
:lol: About the screen time issue. Time's Up, I think, was an episode that Lindsay fans tought it had 2 little Lindsay. So, I remember reading (not on talk, of course) that one of them actually took the time to count the number of minutes she was on screen. It was 8 minutes and some seconds(bad memory). So, 8 minutes when she gets little screen time. So, on a normal episode she gets more than 10? An episode is about 40 minutes!
Catch my drift? Not to mention there are other 7 regular characters. Can't even compare her to Hawkes. He's barely there. But, Flack, for instance. Some episodes he gets 3 - 4 scenes. No scene is longer than 1 minute, because this is a tv show, not a movie. You do the math. And Adam and Sid... not even that much.So, like someone said above, it's not about the time she gets, but about the impact she makes. And that's close to none.
But to be fair, she did get more time in S2 and S3 than she does now, in S4. But that was because they had her practically cuffed to Danny, and he gets lots of time. The difference? He actually deserves it! They worked the same case every other episode, and even when on different case, they still had one scene just because. So, after 2 seasons of overdosing us on Lindsay, we deserve a break.
In S1 everyone worked with everyone. TPTB couldn't even keep that one good habit.
mandy9578
CSI Level Two
WhosLaughingNow said:
Hey guys, you know what I love about Danny??? How sometimes he's all careless and doesn't really think and does reckless and stupid things. Like that one time he shot a cop. Amazing. Did I mention I LOVED how Aiden was unethical? You go girl. You defy what Mac stands for!!!
What? I tried. I guess we have to wait and see
Oh gosh, how I just love your sarcastic tone!! :lol: And I agree with Lorelai, it was worth the try.
Yeah, I would say Lindsay is a succubus. She sucked the life out of Danny in season three and I just hope she keeps away from Flack!! The way I see it, Flack merely tolerates Lindsay. I can't see him considering her as his friend like he does the other members of the team, merely a colleague that he has to tolerate. I remember him getting snappy with Lindsay.
Yeah, I agree, we fangirls have to help Jack Bauer save Flack from the succubus! :lol:
Yeah totally...it's not about the amount of screen time a character gets but the impact he or she has on the audience. With Lindsay, even if she gets all 40+ minutes of airtime (which I hope and pray won't happen and I'm glad it never will, since I consider that to be cruel and unusual punishment), she'll never get the same impact Adam has or even Sid for that matter. Plus, I'd gladly trade all the scenes Lindsay is in with those with Sid. I love Sid too! Sid over Lindsay anyday!
cSiNyFrEaK30
Police Officer
WhosLaughingNow said:
I remember I used to have a "Lindsay" friend. Selfish as sin and she frustrated me so much. I ended up hitting her across the face really hard one day when she pushed it too far(She pulled a "Lindsay being a cow to Adam")
:lol:lol If only, if only she had been in that interrogation room. I honestly do think that if anyone ever stepped up and knocked some sense into Lindsay like that, or even just told her to stop being a whiny brat about everything, maybe it could make a difference for her. Of course, she could always just whine about being showed up, too
I was thinking back to Child's Play as i was watching the episode yesterday, ecspecially the scene where Angell is comforting Danny about Ruben's death. Angell is a new character, who has been on the team a whole season less than Lindsay, and who we haven't seen have much of a personal friendship with Danny on the show. Yet even she can offer words of comfort to Danny that are sincere and heartfelt-while Lindsay, his supposed "girlfriend", can't manage anything past "I'm not very good at this kind of thing", and not even to him. If she really has been a mature relationship with Danny, she definately should have been capable of offering him some support. But yet again, her self centered way of seeing the world comes in again, and makes it impossible for me to take her seriously or show the slightest bit of appriciation for the character.
^Angell's comment definitely stands in direct opposition to Lindsay's, and further highlights what a selfish twit Lindsay is. It's just kind of funny because there really doesn't seem to be anything between Danny and Lindsay; he's obviously hurting, and other people are making efforts to be there for him, but nada from Lindsay. I suspect when she does make an effort, it will be too little too late.
cSiNyFrEaK30
Police Officer
I was looking at the thread grading last night's episode, and i loved this comment by Springmoon:
That brings up another example of how immature and whiny Lindsay really is, ecspecially in comparison to Danny. Lindsay lost her friends in a tragic event years ago, and somehow makes it through a million crime scenes with teens, yet one particular one makes her run crying from the room. Danny however is just coming back from his own tragic event regarding a young child, and holds it together to do his job. When Flack had to arrest his mentor in season one, he didn't run away from a job he knew would not be pleasant. Stella had her HIV scare, Hawkes had the episode with a former colleague (i think it was a colleague) when he mentions losing a patient in surgery when he worked as a Doctor, yet he still manages to continute the case centered at a hospital. Everyone else on the team seems to be able to work through their personal problems to do their job professionally, except for her. Its painfully obvious that no one else on the team whines about doing jobs that remind them of a painful memory, or a job that is "too hard", and it makes it increasingly difficult to believe her character is going to go in any good direction.
That brings up another example of how immature and whiny Lindsay really is, ecspecially in comparison to Danny. Lindsay lost her friends in a tragic event years ago, and somehow makes it through a million crime scenes with teens, yet one particular one makes her run crying from the room. Danny however is just coming back from his own tragic event regarding a young child, and holds it together to do his job. When Flack had to arrest his mentor in season one, he didn't run away from a job he knew would not be pleasant. Stella had her HIV scare, Hawkes had the episode with a former colleague (i think it was a colleague) when he mentions losing a patient in surgery when he worked as a Doctor, yet he still manages to continute the case centered at a hospital. Everyone else on the team seems to be able to work through their personal problems to do their job professionally, except for her. Its painfully obvious that no one else on the team whines about doing jobs that remind them of a painful memory, or a job that is "too hard", and it makes it increasingly difficult to believe her character is going to go in any good direction.
^If we want to talk about "canon," it's a canon fact that Lindsay is a whiner. She complained in "Manhattan Manhunt" about being sent to the lab to process instead of getting to work the scene. She bitched at Danny in "Oedipus Hex" about getting all the crappy jobs. I think at one point she complained about "the new girl" getting all the shitty tasks. In "Trapped" she was expecting Mac to go suit up to go in the lube pool. She has an attitude problem. And when a job doesn't suit her, she complains or just takes off.
The dignity with which Danny handled what was obviously a very difficult thing for him to do just underscores Lindsay's lack of dignity and grace in dealing with things that are difficult for her, like the crime scene in "Silent Night" and heck, even Danny's emotions in "Child's Play."
She has an attitude problem. And when a job doesn't suit her, she complains or just takes off.The dignity with which Danny handled what was obviously a very difficult thing for him to do just underscores Lindsay's lack of dignity and grace in dealing with things that are difficult for her, like the crime scene in "Silent Night" and heck, even Danny's emotions in "Child's Play."
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