Why Lindsay REALLY Must Go (Pt. 2)

[Top41]

Believe it or not, Lindsay actually got my "vote of confidence" after the first episode. I liked how she tackled the guy and handled the tiger dung without complaining. Too bad the writers decided to make her a whiner after what was a promising introduction. I also thought it was over-emphasized that she was from Montana...and two years later, it seems like the writers never miss a chance to get that in.

She didn't start off so bad, but it seems like the writers didn't know what to do with her, and they thought giving her a dark secret also meant giving her multiple personalities. :lol: I just think they never really got a handle on her character, and most of the traits that have been the most consistent--her whining, her self-involvement--are the ones that are pretty negative. Oh, yeah, she gets excited by new discoveries, but don't they all?

As for TPTB, I won't claim to know what they're thinking, but even if they thought she sucked, it's not like they'd say, "We think we've got a bad character/actress on our show." I'm not saying that's what they think, but if it was, we'd never know it from an interview or sound bite.

 

[Persona]

What was your reaction to her after you watched the first episode with her, Zoo York or whatever it was called?

Eh, I wasn't too fond of her from the beginning, but I'll openly admit that at first it was a bit biased due to Aiden's death since I originally saw her as a replacement.

However, Lindsey's whining and serious case of me-me-ME soon removed any Aiden-related bias and went straight on to direct hate. She did just fine doing that all on her own.

 

[WhosLaughingNow]

Distraction said:
If they make her the victim or a rape or robbery or whatever then they'll just make her "Big brave Lindsay" because she survived and can cope and lalala.

CSI NY Lindsay? coping? HA!

She would be all "Danny help me! Why are you not helping me? Stay with me! I'm so traumatized after what happened to me. Bad things always happen to me. Did I mention the world revolves around ME???"

 

[Distraction]

WhosLaughingNow said:
CSI NY Lindsay? coping? HA!

She would be all "Danny help me! Why are you not helping me? Stay with me! I'm so traumatized after what happened to me. Bad things always happen to me. Did I mention the world revolves around ME???"

Haha yeah, you're absolutely right. xD But after that, don't you think she'd be like "Oh look I'm so strong to survive" and expect her usual pat on the head, praise and then eyeroll once out of sight?

I wanted to see if the rest of you thought like me on her first appearance. I liked Aiden, but not as much as I liked Speed and while I was sad over her I wasn't that much. So when Lindsay came along I was like "she's promising" and I sorta liked her. Then she went downhill a couple of episodes after that and I tried giving her chances throughout the whole season and a bit more before I decided that she couldn't be helped. and here I am now. Yay.

 

[Kimmychu]

Zoo York was the first episode for me in which I saw Lindsay. I was hopeful for her character, what with all the hype TPTB had been brewing up for her. However, in just two episodes, it became rather obvious to me how Mary Sueish she was. And the instant I realized even TPTB themselves had no idea who the hell she's supposed to be, I knew she was going to end up detracting from the show way more than enhancing it.

(Just go read the Mary Sue fanfics all over the internet. They all have one thing in common: a super-female protagonist who's always perfect, always seems to know everything, experienced some awful tragedy in the past as a means of garnering sympathy and doting, and is a latent hypocrite who wants people to think she's this victim / ordinary, little person but loves it when people bow down at her feet and worship her like a goddess. And if that description sounds like it fits the many whackjobs in fandom, yeah, no kidding, Mary Sues are often nothing more than self-insert vehicles, after all. Why do you think the Mary Sue always ends up being the hottie's 'love of his life'? )

So after that, I got bored with her fast. It didn't matter how many Big Dark Secrets TPTB gave her or how much screen time she had or whether she was shacked up with Danny the Prop aka The Cash Cow Hottie of the Show or not. I was bored with her and couldn't care less because it sure seemed like TPTB didn't really care about developing her character well either. She was simply this body who was there as filler to suit whatever plot they had cooking.

Unfortunately, she couldn't even convincingly act out most of those plots.

And now, after all their attempts to make her this super-cool, perfect, I'm-great-at-everything, know-it-all person and failing, it looks like they're resorting to turning her into a canonically dislikable character since the former incarnation of her didn't pan out.

WhosLaughingNow said:
She would be all "Danny help me! Why are you not helping me? Stay with me! I'm so traumatized after what happened to me. Bad things always happen to me. Did I mention the world revolves around ME???"

The sad thing is, I can totally see Lindsay behaving and thinking this way on the show should another Big Dark Secret pop up for her or something bad happen to her. Also, Danny has been her prop for so long that she isn't even a full character without him to hold up her role on the show.

What is she doing there, again?

 

[chaostheory08]

What boggles the mind is why the writers, specifically Zuiker, thinks we like her so much.

Maybe because she was meant to be a blank slate. Meant to write on. But surprise-surprise, 3 seasons later... she's STILL a blank slate.

I've been thinking about it and saying it for quite some time now. AZ and PV keep on saying over and over than Lindsey's this and that and D/L will have this and that.... over and over.... until maybe they believe it themselves.

My initial impression of Lindsey in "Zoo York" was .... uhm.... er.... she's not really likeable. But then again, maybe that's what the producers are gunning for. Someone who does not fit in right away. Eitherway, I couldn't care less whether she's there or not. I actually wished she kept on calling Mac, "sir".

 

[kinkapoodles]

My first impression of Lindsay in Zoo York was 'meh'. I loved when Danny got her to call Mac 'sir'. I loved him picking on her and I don't believe for a minute that Danny started calling her Montana because he had a crush on her. He picked on her from the beginning, which is so Danny so, it didn't surprise me to see him give her a nickname. Things started going downhill from there.

I have to agree that after more than two full seasons, they still feel the need to remind us she's from Montana. Are we not able to retain that information?

 

[Faylinn]

I believe I liked Lindsay initially--I certainly remember being excited about someone from "Medical Investigation" joining the show, and I'm sure I chuckled at least once or twice during "Zoo York".

All good things must come to an end, I'm afraid.

Scarily-accurate description of a Mary-Sue, Kimmy. ' Remiiiind you of anyone?

The thing about Lindsay making it all about her if something bad/tragic happens (especially if it's something like her being attacked, etc)--that's the right time for someone to need attention and whatnot. That's when we really require people to care for us, whether we actually come out and say it or just need it.

However, with someone who always makes things about her...you can't help thinking, "You're always looking for attention, what more can I do?"

they still feel the need to remind us she's from Montana.

That aggravates me. It's not cute or funny anymore (if it ever was). It's kind of like taking 'boom', which was fun when Danny and Flack said it in season one, and starting to overuse it (although not nearly to the same extent as Montaaana), even going so far as to have Lindsay say it (*cringe*)--just because something works doesn't mean you have to beat it into the ground.

 

[kinkapoodles]

The thing about Lindsay making it all about her if something bad/tragic happens (especially if it's something like her being attacked, etc)--that's the right time for someone to need attention and whatnot. That's when we really require people to care for us, whether we actually come out and say it or just need it.

That's probably the one time when she won't want attention. :lol:

As for TPTB, I won't claim to know what they're thinking, but even if they thought she sucked, it's not like they'd say, "We think we've got a bad character/actress on our show."

In her case, they should say that.

 

[roximonoxide]

I know this was a bit ago now but...


...speaking of ways NOT to behave in your work place.

I'm sitting here tonight watching reruns on Spike (godblessit) and it dawns on me during 'Live or Let Die' that the last time we saw Lindsay get unnecessarily bitchy with Adam in 'Can You Hear Me Now' wasn't the first time!

Just before her little conversation with Danny about whether or not anonymous phone calls turn him on she's on the phone telling Adam how to do his job, and how to do it faster before she loses the battle and hangs up with a growl and a sigh.

Just WHAT is her problem with Adam?! And why does she think shes justified in tearing him a new one whenever things aren't going her way? Could she be any more juvenile.

At least Danny was there to stand up for his pal that time.

 

[Surreal_44]

Aside from petty bashing of Lindsay, where are these inspired, truly thought-provoking posts about Lindsay's character? I ended up with bronchitis and missed out.

I want a real character analysis of Lindsay, with much documentation on how selfish Lindsay is. Perhaps a character comparison, since all the characters on the show are so extremely selfless (hello, Stella, absorbed in photos of herself so Mac can get kidnapped. No please, don't use the buddy system since MAC is the target of a stalker. "SB. My initials?" Yes, Stella, because everything is about you.)

So character analysis. Please?

 

[roximonoxide]

Surreal_44 said:Aside from petty bashing of Lindsay, where are these inspired, truly thought-provoking posts about Lindsay's character? I ended up with bronchitis and missed out.

Yah, well, one misses a lot when they pop in an out of threads they don't really read or have interest in reading just to make condescending remarks and tell others what their own opinions are.

I want a real character analysis of Lindsay, with much documentation on how selfish Lindsay is.

There are lots of places online that will write essays for you. No ones here to do your homework. If you actually have read this thread and you still don't see the numerous points made here then most of us can safely assume that's because you just don't want to acknowledge them.

So character analysis. Please?

I'm not quite sure what power you seem to think you're lording over us to make such a request, sarcastic as it may be but like I said there's lots of solid points and well analyzed opinions here but since you've clearly not bothered to read or consider any of them, I fail to see why anyone active in this thread should read or consider your posts.

 

[Faylinn]

You know, Surreal, I'm feeling the strangest sense of deja vu, and I'm bored with it. You appear to have the memory of a goldfish, but it would behoove you to perhaps go back and see where you made this demand the first time, as well as the response I gave. But in case you forget to click the link, here is what I said:

Are we making requests now? While we're at it, why doesn't somebody ask for a detailed character analysis of Lindsay 'I'm the Awesome-Sauce Girl from Montana' Monroe, to tell us why her character is so great? No? Nobody wants to ask for one? Well, can't say I didn't suggest it.

1000+ posts about why we dislike her, what doesn't work, what we think falls flat, how she interferes negatively with the rest of the cast, how her characterization is spotty, how she reacts inconsistently, how she seems selfish and self-centered, how she sucks Danny's character dry being in the same room, blah blah blah, etc etc--we're not going to sit down and write an essay for Ms. Surreal so she can grade us and tell us if we get an A+. Sorry, but the thread doesn't work that way. If you claim to have read the thread and don't at least see where we're coming from--well, you're not likely to, and I'm not wasting my time spelling it out in big, bold, capital letters for you.

Forgive me if I find it pointless to come up with something new to say to you when you obviously don't even pay attention to the responses you get the first time.

Moving on, I think I'll respond to someone who seems to be aware that the world is going around.

roximonoxide said:
Just WHAT is her problem with Adam?! And why does she think shes justified in tearing him a new one whenever things aren't going her way? Could she be any more juvenile.

Yeah, I was watching that too. I was just thinking, "In what way does it make sense to harass a coworker on the phone because you don't like that the answers aren't coming fast enough?" Yes, before anybody wanks, this is a case of writing, not acting, blah blah--it's still the same character and so forth.

Lindsay just seemed...mediocre through the whole episode. First it's like 'if I make the scrunch face and talk slow, you'll understand that I'm thinking about something.' (This is in addition to the fact that I thought that whole 'looking at her makes me feel vulnerable' line was ridiculous.) Then later on she's got this vapid smile on her face while she's talking to the guys that the victim called (seriously, was there any emotion in her eyes?). Then I was wondering why she was so agitated over DJ Pratt considering that she didn't even know Aiden (I suppose it's supposed to show that she's ZOMG-sensitive, like with Stella's situation in "All Access"). Blah.

 

[Top41]

Surreal_44 said:
Aside from petty bashing of Lindsay, where are these inspired, truly thought-provoking posts about Lindsay's character? I ended up with bronchitis and missed out.

I want a real character analysis of Lindsay, with much documentation on how selfish Lindsay is. Perhaps a character comparison, since all the characters on the show are so extremely selfless (hello, Stella, absorbed in photos of herself so Mac can get kidnapped. No please, don't use the buddy system since MAC is the target of a stalker. "SB. My initials?" Yes, Stella, because everything is about you.)

So character analysis. Please?

Read the thread. Please. Otherwise, don't post here. You don't agree? Fine. But if you don't have the patience to read the thread, don't come in here with condescending comments. The next time you do it, you'll get warned for trolling. Either debate or stay out.

And guys, try not to feed trolling comments. Thank you.

I had forgotten Lindsay yelling at Adam in "Live or Let Die." A lot of arrogant people are just compensating for their own inadequacies and I suspect Lindsay is no different. No doubt Adam--who does his job well and is something of a genuine wunderkind--gets under her skin a bit.

 

[penguinpie]

Surreal_44 said:
Aside from petty bashing of Lindsay, where are these inspired, truly thought-provoking posts about Lindsay's character? I ended up with bronchitis and missed out.

I want a real character analysis of Lindsay, with much documentation on how selfish Lindsay is. Perhaps a character comparison, since all the characters on the show are so extremely selfless (hello, Stella, absorbed in photos of herself so Mac can get kidnapped. No please, don't use the buddy system since MAC is the target of a stalker. "SB. My initials?" Yes, Stella, because everything is about you.)

So character analysis. Please?

Yes, ma'am, yes!! Straight away, ma'am!! Because being patronising and condescending will always get you what you want. It's Number 3 in "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

Seriously, if you can't be bothered to read back through the past posts on this thread, then I don't see why anyone here should lift a finger to satisfy your demands.

I certainly don't care if you agree with my point of view. What I don't appreciate is your holier than thou attitude. As far as I am concerned, you are just another troll and, in future, will be treated accordingly: you will be ignored completely. Happy, now?