Why Lindsay REALLY Must Go (Pt. 2)

[adorelo]

And you're a psychology student? That explains your use of "affect". My degree is in psychology too, so I really get where you're coming from.

At least someone does I always babble and few people get me.

She was in SVU?? Must have missed that .

I don't think they could make another 'Lindsay has a dark secret' story line. She's not deep enough for it.

One thing I don't understand is how she can have been on the show for, what 3 years, yet she still has the complexity of a fruit fly.

If anything, the next thing with Lindsay is a 'she's in danger' story. Or a 'in trouble at work' story line.

But I think it would be an interesting exploration of her character to have one of the others, maybe Danny, pick up on her lack of empathy and compassion - so great ideas with that one guys.

Anna has little empathy for her own character, never mind the others on the show.

I am going to go hunt her down on SVU, see if it is just Lindsay she is having trouble relating too. Maybe she finds certain characters easier to relate to than others.

 

[Joolz]

Well, hopefully, when the writers dispute is over and they get back to their desks and start writing more NY episodes, there'll be soooo little time to write soooooo much and Ms. Monroe will be a lifeless, soul destroying noose around their necks that they have to drop completely to get the season finished.......and I for one wouldn't mind a bit..

I've only seen clips of season 4 but have to say Lindsey is on a par with my front door......i.e. wooden..

 

[Carrieattheprom]

I think her performance was slightly better in SVU. I can't really explain why, but I had an easier time feeling empathy for her character.

Maybe there's just something about Lindsay Monroe that Anna can't connect with.

 

[adorelo]

Okay, courtesy of Carrieattheprom, I have seen a clip of Anna in SVU. I’ve come to the conclusion it is Lindsay who annoys me, not Anna.

While parts seemed a little forced, I though her overall performance was both realistic and emphatic. Her reactions were convincing and I really related to her. I wish we got to see this in NY.

Anna can’t quiet grasp Lindsay as well as she did Sarah. She should stick either to guest appearances or to a more vulnerable and weak character. (By weak I mean mentally/emotionally, not in terms of personality.)

What do you guys think?

 

[Kimmychu]

adorelo said:
I don't think they could make another 'Lindsay has a dark secret' story line. She's not deep enough for it.

Ooo, even I can feel teh burn. :lol: :lol: :lol:

But I think it would be an interesting exploration of her character to have one of the others, maybe Danny, pick up on her lack of empathy and compassion - so great ideas with that one guys.

It's a big possibility TPTB really will go down this route, if Carmine's CSI Files interview is anything to go by. Lindsay 'in danger' and 'trouble at work' storylines? They already did that. Yeah, TPTB had to use up plots putting her at the forefront early on and fast because I think even they realized viewers weren't warming up to her like they expected.

(And I just noticed there are two Jools/z in the thread ...)

Anna can’t quiet grasp Lindsay as well as she did Sarah. She should stick either to guest appearances or to a more vulnerable and weak character. (By weak I mean mentally/emotionally, not in terms of personality.)

What do you guys think?

She can't do new guest appearances unless she quits CSI:NY now, can she? To make Lindsay more vulnerable and weak ... well, anything's possible, really, but again it leads back to how well Anna can pull off emoting. You guys have mentioned it yourselves; even in brief, one-shot scenes, some of her acting already comes off as forced. Imagine what happens when she has to keep emoting as a vulnerable and weak character for seasons on end!

Oh wait. They already tried that, didn't they?

 

[chaostheory08]

^It's quite possible the reason she does that is because maybe she doesn't understand or know her character fully (Even though after 2 years you would think she did). Like what Lindsay would do when certain things happen. Maybe Anna needs to take a closer look at the character of Lindsay.

That could be the fault of the writers. But hey, in the 1st season DVD, AZ said that he couldn't tell Gary how Mac takes his eggs or something. And another writer said that they arranged the characters to be extensions of the actor. So if until now, Anna doesn't know who Lindsey is -- well, I guess it's time to add in her own two cents about the character.

I'm sure had they not given us a back story for Danny, Carmine would have had one in his head.

Agree.

She was in SVU?? Must have missed that .

Yeah. And some episodes later was the episode Eddie guest starred in. I think it was in season2.

If anything, the next thing with Lindsay is a 'she's in danger' story. Or a 'in trouble at work' story line.

I think 'in trouble at work' will work better than 'she's in danger'. Imagine "Snow Day" if it were her in that warehouse. Won't work. I reckon that's the reason why they put Danny in danger instead because Carmine could kick ass in scenarios like that.

As for 'in trouble at work'... Lindsey's like a whiney child who always wants to get her way. How many times did she push her half-ass conclusion to Mac and Stella and the others? But then again, they already used 'in trouble at work' for Aiden....

But I think it would be an interesting exploration of her character to have one of the others, maybe Danny, pick up on her lack of empathy and compassion - so great ideas with that one guys.

LOL, imagine one of them snapping at her. Stella had snapped at her already....

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

She "must REALLY go" because Adam can do 3 times the work in the same amount of time and actually appear to like his job. For evidence look no further than "One Wedding and a Funeral."

 

[WhosLaughingNow]

PerfectAnomaly said:
She "must REALLY go" because Adam can do 3 times the work in the same amount of time and actually appear to like his job. For evidence look no further than "One Wedding and a Funeral."

Not only that but I'm sure the rest of the characters can do 3 times the work in the same amount of time and actually appear to like their job. Which maybe is another reason why she should go.

 

[Top41]

That was pretty laughable. I notice she's getting the really, really random research stuff or the Captain Obvious lines a lot lately. It's obvious that Adam is far more of an asset to the team. It's interesting--given how marginal she's seemed since her introduction, I'd think the writers would do something to establish her worth as a character. She's done something really daring a grand total of one time, when she stepped in "Not What It Looks Like" to help rescue the girl. Otherwise, all she's done is whine, weedle and prove herself more of a liability than an asset. I guess she's good at Obscure Research 101, but all that proves is that she'd be a good librarian.

 

[Lessien_Tinuviel]

I notice she's getting the really, really random research stuff or the Captain Obvious lines a lot lately.

I've noticed that too. If dreams could come true, I really hope that this is TPTB's way of easing Lindsay out of the show, and that by next season she'll be completely gone. :devil: Then they can stick AJ in the opening credits to fill up the space vacated. Hehehe.

And, I wish they'd dress Lindsay/Anna back in the outfits that she was wearing in Season 2 and 3, those look so much better than what she's been wearing in this season's episodes. Her jackets look two sizes too big half the time.

 

[WhosLaughingNow]

Ok this might just be me and the fact that I have far too much time to think. But let me ask you guys something. I was looking at some other threads and reading what people were saying about Lindsay. A lot of which was how people think her character is a lot better this season and is only going to get better, how things between her and Danny will deepen and you know all that jazz AZ said.

Here's what I was thinking though. Because of the strike there's nothing written after episode 14. Do you think it's possible in the slightest that the writers might change some stuff up when they got back that they hadn't originally intended to do? I mean seeing as nothing else is really written it can go anyway. Nothing is set in stone. I mean maybe while their on strike they're still thinking up story lines they hadn't thought of before. Like say a reason for Lindsay to leave.

Again this could all just be me thinking too much and needing to do something productive combined with wishful thinking :lol:

 

[penguinpie]

^ First up, I loves your icon. Twins!! :lol::lol:

I wonder why these people would think Lindsay was getting better and better? She's barely on screen (mercifully) and when she is, she's either stating the bleedin' obvious or being a tit. There've been scarcely any D/L moments so far, even if you stand on your head and squint. It must be lovely, living in the Land of Make-Believe.

Assuming that the writers' strike continues into the new year, we may be lucky to get another 5-6 episodes. I doubt they would want to waste time on romance or, sadly, on disappearing Lindsay. We can dream though.

 

[Kimmychu]

WhosLaughingNow said:
I was looking at some other threads and reading what people were saying about Lindsay. A lot of which was how people think her character is a lot better this season and is only going to get better, how things between her and Danny will deepen and you know all that jazz AZ said.

Here's what I was thinking though. Because of the strike there's nothing written after episode 14. Do you think it's possible in the slightest that the writers might change some stuff up when they got back that they hadn't originally intended to do?

If you want my honest opinion, I think they ditched the whole D/L deepening plot as well as what Pam Veasey might have said before the new season aired right from the season premiere episode. Just take a look at how things have been the whole season so far. Does it look like anything's 'deepening'? It sure appears more like Danny's already annoyed and tired with Lindsay than anything else, and should TPTB suddenly write that Danny's super lovey dovey with her, that'll be laughable because it'll just show TPTB really doesn't give a @#$% about maintaining characterization anymore. And if they can't be bothered to take things seriously, why should we?

And before people bring up the whole 'Carmine is deliberately sabotaging things and the writers actually want DL to keep going' issue again, we don't know that, we really don't. That is only speculation, and as amusing as it may be, it's one that isn't nice to begin with since it implies that he's being unprofessional about his work. Hey, he's proved it consistently on the show that he's a pro and cares about his work, so there's that.

Like you said, nothing is set in stone, not even when folks who make up TPTB say whatever they say about what might be going on in the show. That's the reality of Hollywood for ya; sometimes (if not all the time) TPTB will say anything just for the sake of keeping their viewers or gaining new ones. After all, ratings is what they're really after at the end of the day. When something's not working and it's costing them, out it goes sooner or later. (And believe me, the last thing they'll worry about is upsetting shippers. Out of the millions of viewers a primetime show usually has, I'd say shippers would only make up about ... ohh, I don't know, 0.001%? You get my drift.)

As for what the writers will cook up during the strike, who knows. TPTB of some shows have already announced that if the strike goes on for a long time, the new episodes that are written will be considered a new season. (At least, that's what I read and heard so far.) I don't know if it'll be the same for the CSI franchise or not.

 

[penguinpie]

Kimmychu said:
And before people bring up the whole 'Carmine is deliberately sabotaging things and the writers actually want DL to keep going' issue again, we don't know that, we really don't. That is only speculation, and as amusing as it may be, it's one that isn't nice to begin with since it implies that he's being unprofessional about his work. Hey, he's proved it consistently on the show that he's a pro and cares about his work, so there's that.

I agree; I don't think Carmine would be so unprofessional. Even if he were attempting to shoot down the whole D/L ship, and we've absolutely no proof of that, the director would pull him up if he deviated too much from the script or if they thought he wasn't giving them the performance they wanted. He certainly wouldn't get away with it episode after episode.

It's more likely, as you say, that the TPTB aren't interested in pushing that storyline to the detriment of the show. It does kind of support the theory that, whatever AZ might say, the romance has kind of run its course. If the writers wanted to write a soap opera, there are plenty to choose from. I'm sure they'd rather focus on the core premise of the series: crime and forensics.

Has anyone ever seen any real evidence that D/L boosted NY's ratings?

 

[Kimmychu]

penguinpie said:
Has anyone ever seen any real evidence that D/L boosted NY's ratings?

I'm gonna have to look up the specific ratings but if I remember correctly, the episodes with the lowest ratings in season three were mostly the ones that had some of kind of soap opera / teenage high school silliness. Lowest, not highest.

And well. There's the massive three million viewer drop after the season three finale and the season four premiere aired. Now that I think about it, such a coincidence that this big drop in viewers happened after D/L was made official on the show and all that D/L-related talk by Zuiker and Veasey, eh?