PerfectAnomaly said:
What I come back to also, and is the main issue for me, is that to me it's pretty obvious the intention with Lindsay is for viewers to like her. I think the intention is for viewers to feel sympathy for her, to think she's a great match for Danny, to think she and Stella are girlfriends, to think she's cute and funny and the team loves her.
That irks me, too. If we were supposed to hate her, I'd probably actually like her. :lol: Characters that you love to hate are fun. But the fact that we're supposed to think she's so great when in so many ways she's clearly not is what bugs me.
cSiNyFrEaK30 said:
I'm sure Flack didn't like arresting his former mentor on the police force. I'm sure Danny didn't like processing crime scenes that reminded him of the little boy that had only died the episode before. I'm sure that all the CSIs have had unpleasant things they've had to deal with and parts of their job they don't like.
Bingo, baby. When Danny had to go to kindergarten classrooms looking for a killer, he made a comment but he didn't storm out or get snide with Mac. Flack went so far as to volunteer to arrest his mentor, not because he wanted to (it was obviously the opposite) but because he knew in doing so he could offer the man a way to maintain his dignity.
However, the difference between them and Lindsay is that they don't whine and cry about it. She doesn't want to give the mother the bad news in one episode and whines enough so Danny does it for her, she doesn't want to stay in the lab and process evidence in Manhattan Manhunt and is petulant about it later in the episode-the list goes on and on.
She is the only character that has walked away from her job (i.e. Silent Night) when she felt like it, and the only character to actually whine and protest duties given to her (Manhattan Manhunt). All of the other characters, even with all of their personal problems, are still able to do their jobs without protesting like children, but not Lindsay.
Exactly. Lindsay is the only one who does the job when it suits her and complains or leaves when it doesn't. And lest anyone think I'm being hard on Lindsay because she's Lindsay, I will add that I found Danny very unprofessional and downright infuriating in "The Dove Commission" when he was goading the son of the gypsy cab driver. But Danny went and apologized in the end, something that clearly wasn't easy for him to do. Every other time Danny has messed up on the job, he's only hurt himself (On the Job, Crimes and Misdemeanors).
Lindsay on the other hand uses her past trauma as some sort of entitlement--she's entitled to be at a bloody crime scene if she wants to be, she's entitled to leave if she doesn't, she's entitled to manipulate a co-worker with feelings for her. That's pretty low behavior.
catey1234 said:
As much as I like Lindsay/Anna, I don't so much blame her acting, but the writing. One of the biggest complaints is that Lindsay jumps to conclusions before the evidence supports her. Well, on Miami last night, Calleigh, whom most would agree, is a well-rounded and liked character, was pulling that stunt, betting Eric that a print on the gun was from this one suspect. Eric called her on it, telling her she was putting the cart before the horse.
He did, and had a point. Of course, Calleigh turned out to be right. :lol: Not everyone's gut is as off as Danny's is.
The point being here, it seems to be occuring more and more, and not just in Lindsay's case. Stella also did that last year, in "Open and Shut", assuming that "victim" who shot the intruder was like her, trying to survive. When asked to consider other evidence, Stella didn't want to, but came around in the end. All I'm saying is that it seems to be a recurring theme for all of them, not just Lindsay, in the jumping to conclusions. In the end, I think it comes down to the writing.
I'd echo what
PA said. Stella was coming from an emotional perspective; Lindsay just seems to want to be right most of the time. When it did seem like she was coming at it from an emotional perspective, in "Stealing Home," I had sympathy for her.
And not to be long-winded(sorry about that), but if it's the acting, it must be the character Anna is having trouble getting through(although I think she's fine). Don't laugh, but before NY, Anna got a lot of fine reviews in plays she did, and in fact, has a Masters in Acting and awards that she's won. So if she's so bad an actress, how did she win any awards, let alone get a Masters in Acting?
Anna might be a very good theater actress. She is however, not a good television actress, at least not on CSI: NY. As for the Masters, again, it could be for theater. Or it could have been one of those programs that gives a Masters to whoever plunks down $30,000. I don't know and honestly, all I can judge her on is what I've seen her in. She was decent--as in passable but not stellar--in Medical Investigation. I just saw her episode of "The Comeback" and in her minute and a half on screen she was just as awkward and false as she is much of the time in CSI: NY. Much of the time when she's on screen, I see the script. It feels like she's reading lines rather than talking. In theater, where actors have to project to an entire audience and make grand gestures so the people in the back can see them, I imagine it's not as big a deal. But acting on TV is much more precise because it's just you and a camera. I wouldn't presume to judge her theater work without seeing her on stage, but on screen she's a weak actress.
faith666 said:
I think it's interesting the way people have been having a go for her having bad points, but at the end of the day, not everyone can be professional all the time and her actions are realistic. Sometimes I think we judge fictional characters for their actions when actually that's what a lot of us would have done.
If it were just once or twice, sure. But there are more than a few instances of Lindsay being unprofessional.
And it's not like she screws up every episode. Danny's had his fair share of bad moments where he's done completely the wrong thing but he hasn't quite got the same reaction.
See my above comment about "The Dove Commission." I'd also add that after "Child's Play" there was a rather in depth and lively discussion about whether Danny was in part or more to blame for Ruben's death. So I don't think any character gets a pass. It's not
just Lindsay.
BTW, how did a thread titled 'why Lindsey must stay' still end up being dead negative against her? :lol: It makes me laugh.
It seems pretty evenly split to me, which makes for a good discussion.
