Why Lindsay Must Go
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I remember him. NY doesn't really have that many detectives, compared to Vegas, apparently. There's been what... three? Four? Flack is king, but Maka pwns me. I'm interested in the new girl... I'd like her to be a bit itchy, stir things up a little. And if she fights with Lindsey, I can live with that too.
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Maka was in a lot more episodes so I don't know why they keep bringing him up. I didn't even remember what he looked like until I pulled up that link. :lol:
I honestly can't remember if he was the one staring at Aiden's ass. I'm thinking he was but I'm not sure.
Okay guys, peace.
My only point in bringing up Thacker was the lack of other detectives other than Flack and the now-busy Kelly Hu, and maybe they felt another was needed. For example, Sofia was added on LV (although she was orig. a CSI on the show). And don't get me wrong. I like Lindsay for my own reasons (I won't bore you guys with those ... I've posted them before.) But I'm not some shallow thing that just wants to see lovey doveys between her and Danny. I happen to like her independently - and that is only my opinion. Just want to point out that not all people who like Lindsay like her solely as part of a "ship."
As for the description of this new detective being fleshed out, they often are, even for limited roles. When casting is looking for an actor to play a named character, they usually give a lot of detail, even if the character is not extremely prominent.
I'm not saying the new female detective isn't designed to push Lindsay out of the way ... I don't read writers' minds (although it would be fun). I'm just saying at this point it's not obvious that's the case, IMO.
Anyway, I will go back into my hole and leave you guys alone. Have a good evening.
It's nice to see someone who doesn't see Lindsey as part of a ship, if you don't mind me saying so.
I think right now, the whole thing needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, as they've given out details before and then changed them - Lindsey actually being the case in point. For me, the curious thing is the mention of her tattoo - it's a really odd detail to bring up, and even odder for a detective - over here, you can't get into the police at all if you have tattoo that can't be covered up with clothing. I'm thinking Miss New-Detective wears long sleeves a lot.
I'm rather hoping she doesn't turn out to be some bad-girl-with-a-good-heart cliche either - not everyone who has a tattoo gets them because they're badass. Worse still is the idea that the tattoo is a reminder of some horrible past or dark secret - I got bored of the idea with Lindsey, I can't take it with another character.
But I'm straying off topic here. My apologies.
I think right now, the whole thing needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, as they've given out details before and then changed them - Lindsey actually being the case in point. For me, the curious thing is the mention of her tattoo - it's a really odd detail to bring up, and even odder for a detective - over here, you can't get into the police at all if you have tattoo that can't be covered up with clothing. I'm thinking Miss New-Detective wears long sleeves a lot.
I'm rather hoping she doesn't turn out to be some bad-girl-with-a-good-heart cliche either - not everyone who has a tattoo gets them because they're badass. Worse still is the idea that the tattoo is a reminder of some horrible past or dark secret - I got bored of the idea with Lindsey, I can't take it with another character.
But I'm straying off topic here. My apologies.
No, I don't mind. That's why I posted, to point out that we're not all googly-eyed romantics. I like CSI:NY because of the crime solving, and I started watching because I love Gary Sinise. Evverything else for me is gravy
On the changing of Lindsay, I would think many of you, regardless of what you think about the character, probably agree that "Lindsay Monroe" is better than the name "Summer Hamilton." (That was the org name, right?). I actually thought that sounded like a porn name, sorry.
*Audrina pops back into her hole*
*craps self laughing*
It would depend on the kind of character Summer could have been. I have a friend with a porn-star name, and we rib her mercilessly about it. So we could have had a whole series of Danny making fun of her porn star name, and her (hopefully) giving it right back and telling him he's lame or whatever.
Yeah, I could see Summer being a tomboy type, but I think the original plan was to make her blonde and a bit ditzy-looking, and she wins Mac over with her inner-toughness. Or something.
I'd quite like a ditzy CSI. I'm not talking screwing-up cases, but more of.."where did I put my glasses?", or tipping coffee over themselves. But then being really, really good at their job. So you'd have this total klutz who actually isn't klutzy when they're concentrating. I think it would make for amusing team ribbing and some nice teamwork. Have her totally tear up a crime scene in a park, and then step in dog-do when she's packing her gear back in the car, and Danny wets himself laughing. And she does too, because she'd be quite laid back with an actual sense of humour. That would be pretty cool.
... actually, I can kind of see why TPTB haven't called me and offered me a job. *sheepish*
kinkapoodles
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audrina, I wasn't fighting with Jaer. Jaer asked a couple questions about Thacker and I answered them. I thought it was quite funny.
They very well could change the name/description of this new detective just like they did with Lindsay and I doubt Anna would have been picked for the part of Summer. I'll admit Summer Hamilton may not have been the best name but I wished they would have kept her. She couldn't have been any worse than Lindsay. IMO, the name Summer Hamilton makes me think of someone rich and snotty. A blonde would be a nice addition to the cast (of course this is coming from a blonde).
Hopefully they won't make the mistakes with this new character that they did with Lindsay. Of course, IMO, the mistake they made was hiring her in the first place. They didn't need another CSI. Sheldon moved up to CSI and that's all they needed. They only had 4 before. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
The only ship I've ever associated Lindsay with is the one that ships here out of NY.
ETA: BTW, Jaer, I love your occupation and hobbies. That cracked me up. :lol:
They very well could change the name/description of this new detective just like they did with Lindsay and I doubt Anna would have been picked for the part of Summer. I'll admit Summer Hamilton may not have been the best name but I wished they would have kept her. She couldn't have been any worse than Lindsay. IMO, the name Summer Hamilton makes me think of someone rich and snotty. A blonde would be a nice addition to the cast (of course this is coming from a blonde).
Hopefully they won't make the mistakes with this new character that they did with Lindsay. Of course, IMO, the mistake they made was hiring her in the first place. They didn't need another CSI. Sheldon moved up to CSI and that's all they needed. They only had 4 before. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
The only ship I've ever associated Lindsay with is the one that ships here out of NY.
ETA: BTW, Jaer, I love your occupation and hobbies. That cracked me up. :lol:
From what I understand that is an inaccurate statement. My understanding is that most casting directors look for an attitude or a specific trait when looking to fill a role and the physical type for a minor character is a secondary consideration unless it's a major plot point. Which could be why we have Lindsay Monroe instead of Summer Hamilton. The casting director saw something in Anna Belknap that s/he thought could be used and they changed the character to fit her. Or s/he was extremely drunk. Or possibly allowed photos of a sensitive nature to fall into Anna Belknap's hands and be used against him for blackmail purposes. The possibilities are really endless for how she got her job.
Most minor characters...like the unlamented possibly never given a first name Det Thacker...get very little info on them and the actor is given the option to play the part as he wants so long as the required attitude and lines are present.
Thanks! I actually had to go look them up to remember what I had put down.
And no, we weren't fighting. We don't fight in this thread. We debate and decimate those who dare disagree with us by using dazzling dialog and devastating d....wit.
Sorry guys, I didn't think you were fighting, I just realized Thacker wasn't the best example to use and was correcting myself. I typed before I thought. As for the casting thing, I have seen detailed descriptions for relatively minor characters. Also, if this detective is going to be on for a few eppys, they may want her to be fairly fleshed out.
She may be major, she may be the first step in booting Lindsay. That may be true, I'm just speculating.
And for the record, I don't feel decimated. I was the youngest of four and the only girl - my opinions were strenuously disagreed with on a regular basis. I can hack it. You guys just disagree, that's fine, and you do it eloquently. I came on a "Why Lindsay Must Go Thread," I can't expect to say why I like her and get patted on the head.
She may be major, she may be the first step in booting Lindsay. That may be true, I'm just speculating.
And for the record, I don't feel decimated. I was the youngest of four and the only girl - my opinions were strenuously disagreed with on a regular basis. I can hack it. You guys just disagree, that's fine, and you do it eloquently. I came on a "Why Lindsay Must Go Thread," I can't expect to say why I like her and get patted on the head.
Half wit, in may case, Jaer.
The truth is, we don't really know, so this is all speculation anyway. If she's been brought in to oust Lnidsey, then it's a curious path to take, because she isn't a CSI. Unless they're going to do the Sofia-thing and switch her over.
And Audrina - we applaude your efforts in helping us realise the role of Det Thacker, who may have otherwise disappeared to the vaults of CSI:NY history
Actually, I like it when they bring in random detectives, because while I love Flack, it's a bit odd to see the other CSI team working without one.
The truth is, we don't really know, so this is all speculation anyway. If she's been brought in to oust Lnidsey, then it's a curious path to take, because she isn't a CSI. Unless they're going to do the Sofia-thing and switch her over.
And Audrina - we applaude your efforts in helping us realise the role of Det Thacker, who may have otherwise disappeared to the vaults of CSI:NY history
Actually, I like it when they bring in random detectives, because while I love Flack, it's a bit odd to see the other CSI team working without one.
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The only ship I've ever associated Lindsay with is the one that ships her out of NY.
Ok, I love this comment! :lol: Quote of the day for sure!
I agree with the person above (apologies for forgetting who said it) who mentioned that the new detective might be a way of testing the waters. If people like her, it might be a way to faze Lindsay out or put her in the background. Certainly I don't think her working with Danny is coincidence. I am hopeful that signifies they're done with the misguided Danny/Lindsay pairing.
It seems like there's a simple solution if they're not willing to get rid of Lindsay all together--simply reverse her role and Hawkes. Let's see more of Hawkes and have Lindsay play third banana most of the time, or stick around the lab. Minimize her screen time and interactions with the other characters. So many people want to see more Hawkes, and I know that Hill would put the time to better use.
kinkapoodles
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No worries audrina. I think the big thing about bringing Thacker up was that most people forgot about him since he was only in a couple episodes. It just cracked me up when Jaer asked "Who the hell is Thacker".
Thanks Top. I had to laugh myself when I thought of it. I was afraid I'd forget it before I was able to post.
I'm all for putting Lindsay in the background next season and letting Hawkes have some of the spotlight. Hill is so talented. It would be a pleasure to see more of him. After all, IMO, because of Lindsay that is why he got shoved into the background.
Thanks Top. I had to laugh myself when I thought of it. I was afraid I'd forget it before I was able to post.
I'm all for putting Lindsay in the background next season and letting Hawkes have some of the spotlight. Hill is so talented. It would be a pleasure to see more of him. After all, IMO, because of Lindsay that is why he got shoved into the background.
1CSIMfan your statement about shipping Lindsay out is insanely good and deliciously profound, to it I say here here!
Audriana, I think it is great that you like Lindsay independent of Danny, however, sadly, you are in the minority, in fact, you may be a minority of one. I don’t have a problem with anything you come in and say, I appreciate that you do come in knowing more than likely whatever you say will be scrutinized before the day is done and that it is not you we are swatting down just your ideas and opinions and in that there is no harm. The fact that you take the time to say it any way is admirable, suicidal maybe :lol:, but admirable nonetheless.
I’m sure your mention of Det. Thacker was a case of typing to quickly or thinking before you typed, it has happened to everyone, however you are not the only supporter of Lindsay that has dropped his name since Jennifer Angell has made her way onto the scene. Your intentions were what they were, but other people’s intentions have a more spurious intent. I guess from my perspective the very mention of a character not seen since the first half of season one happening after the new Detective started to make knees shake and shiver in shipper verse is a little suspect, a little laughable, and it reeks of a little desperation.
Now, having said that I am about to vent a little frustration once again over some comments made in not only the NY forum but in other forums as well. This is what I like to call terror alert red or JDonne is about to be bitchy or there is a reason why JDonne does not play well with others.
Now as far as people liking Lindsay or Anna’s performance, I could care less, I think she is heinous and an insult to my intelligence, but I feel the same way about Grey’s Anatomy and have friends that are not at all low functioning that enjoy the hell out of it. However, when people display unwavering, unflinching, worship like devotion to a character that they have painted as flawless I get a little nervous and thoughts like cult intervention pop into my head.
Is it truly possible to be so blindly devoted to something, something imaginary at that, that you fail to see a single character flaw? Is it really possible that every moment that seems off you can explain away with thoughts, such as, she was being irreverent or she was just so amazed that the neighbours could come together in such a sign of unity. So, every dumb line that pours from Lindsay’s mouth is now her being funny or irreverent and her question about the block party was because she didn’t realize that city folk were capable of gathering in a neighborly fashion without gang warfare breaking out here and there before the cops were called. Even those that dislike Lindsay can see moments or a least a single moment where she did not offend in the least, so why can’t those that love her see their way clear to say, maybe just maybe that wasn’t a great performance on Anna’s part, or maybe just maybe the character relies on Danny a bit much, or sometimes she makes funny faces, or anything?
Look, I loved Buffy, but you know what she pissed me off sometimes, I found her at times selfish, stupid, and even a little pathetic, but you know what it was all part of her ongoing development, her layered characterization and even if I didn’t like it I always understood it. Now, I see none of that in Lindsay because I don’t believe she is a character more like a growth on Danny’s hip or a screeching pinched faced owl that is making noise just for the sake tough posturing.
What character is without flaws? What character demands such vehement worship? I mean honestly it is as if she is the Messiah and this is the Second Coming, she needs specially fortified threads to keep the evil naysayer away. Give me an effing break, but fine, take your secret Lindsay closet, but don’t hop from forum to forum badmouthing those that believe otherwise. When more time is spent whining about those that don’t like or having mini pep rallies about just ignoring the haters and their wicked diatribes problems arise and then tempers flare, why so threatened why so angry about it all. Calling smart well-written thought provoking supported posts diatribes is a sign of just how weak your position is and how much intelligence scares some people. I guess my thing is, if you want to take us on then come on in and do it, because it is not a matter of knocking you down, but a matter of knocking down your opinion and between those two, there is a great difference.
You know what else is insane, the conspiracy theory that is threatening to overtake the board, because a new thread opened and the discussion focused on Flack and suddenly it became interesting that Lindsay was not being discussed. What the hell is that, I would call it paranoia, but why even bother going there. What I find interesting is that suddenly not only did the discussion shift to Lindsay’s dark secret, in a effort to keep the peace perhaps, but statements were made saying that the thread was open to discussion of any character, like that wasn’t clear from the first post in the thread. Suddenly thoughts on Lindsay’s secret were off and running and all was right in the NY forum once again. I know, here’s a thought rather than post conspiracy theories on Lindsay’s exclusion why not post your own theories about her background, I guess it is just easer to admonish people, or at least try. I for one don’t believe in appeasing children in the throes of tantrums it simply encourages them to do it more often and it is an unpleasant sight especially when the children have exited adolescence.
As far as Lindsay’s dark secret or her upbringing in Bozeman, etc. I have no need to feign interest or seek balance in my dislike of the character or the actress’s performance I tend to be a definitive person or in lay speak I don’t do anything half-ass. In other words, if she can be loved without compromise why can’t she be disliked without compromise.
However, she’ll probably be late for the Second Coming trying to decide between wavy, curly, or straight.
Actually, in retrospect, that was a rather civil post, I think.
Ali
Audriana, I think it is great that you like Lindsay independent of Danny, however, sadly, you are in the minority, in fact, you may be a minority of one. I don’t have a problem with anything you come in and say, I appreciate that you do come in knowing more than likely whatever you say will be scrutinized before the day is done and that it is not you we are swatting down just your ideas and opinions and in that there is no harm. The fact that you take the time to say it any way is admirable, suicidal maybe :lol:, but admirable nonetheless.
I’m sure your mention of Det. Thacker was a case of typing to quickly or thinking before you typed, it has happened to everyone, however you are not the only supporter of Lindsay that has dropped his name since Jennifer Angell has made her way onto the scene. Your intentions were what they were, but other people’s intentions have a more spurious intent. I guess from my perspective the very mention of a character not seen since the first half of season one happening after the new Detective started to make knees shake and shiver in shipper verse is a little suspect, a little laughable, and it reeks of a little desperation.
Now, having said that I am about to vent a little frustration once again over some comments made in not only the NY forum but in other forums as well. This is what I like to call terror alert red or JDonne is about to be bitchy or there is a reason why JDonne does not play well with others.
Now as far as people liking Lindsay or Anna’s performance, I could care less, I think she is heinous and an insult to my intelligence, but I feel the same way about Grey’s Anatomy and have friends that are not at all low functioning that enjoy the hell out of it. However, when people display unwavering, unflinching, worship like devotion to a character that they have painted as flawless I get a little nervous and thoughts like cult intervention pop into my head.
Is it truly possible to be so blindly devoted to something, something imaginary at that, that you fail to see a single character flaw? Is it really possible that every moment that seems off you can explain away with thoughts, such as, she was being irreverent or she was just so amazed that the neighbours could come together in such a sign of unity. So, every dumb line that pours from Lindsay’s mouth is now her being funny or irreverent and her question about the block party was because she didn’t realize that city folk were capable of gathering in a neighborly fashion without gang warfare breaking out here and there before the cops were called. Even those that dislike Lindsay can see moments or a least a single moment where she did not offend in the least, so why can’t those that love her see their way clear to say, maybe just maybe that wasn’t a great performance on Anna’s part, or maybe just maybe the character relies on Danny a bit much, or sometimes she makes funny faces, or anything?
Look, I loved Buffy, but you know what she pissed me off sometimes, I found her at times selfish, stupid, and even a little pathetic, but you know what it was all part of her ongoing development, her layered characterization and even if I didn’t like it I always understood it. Now, I see none of that in Lindsay because I don’t believe she is a character more like a growth on Danny’s hip or a screeching pinched faced owl that is making noise just for the sake tough posturing.
What character is without flaws? What character demands such vehement worship? I mean honestly it is as if she is the Messiah and this is the Second Coming, she needs specially fortified threads to keep the evil naysayer away. Give me an effing break, but fine, take your secret Lindsay closet, but don’t hop from forum to forum badmouthing those that believe otherwise. When more time is spent whining about those that don’t like or having mini pep rallies about just ignoring the haters and their wicked diatribes problems arise and then tempers flare, why so threatened why so angry about it all. Calling smart well-written thought provoking supported posts diatribes is a sign of just how weak your position is and how much intelligence scares some people. I guess my thing is, if you want to take us on then come on in and do it, because it is not a matter of knocking you down, but a matter of knocking down your opinion and between those two, there is a great difference.
You know what else is insane, the conspiracy theory that is threatening to overtake the board, because a new thread opened and the discussion focused on Flack and suddenly it became interesting that Lindsay was not being discussed. What the hell is that, I would call it paranoia, but why even bother going there. What I find interesting is that suddenly not only did the discussion shift to Lindsay’s dark secret, in a effort to keep the peace perhaps, but statements were made saying that the thread was open to discussion of any character, like that wasn’t clear from the first post in the thread. Suddenly thoughts on Lindsay’s secret were off and running and all was right in the NY forum once again. I know, here’s a thought rather than post conspiracy theories on Lindsay’s exclusion why not post your own theories about her background, I guess it is just easer to admonish people, or at least try. I for one don’t believe in appeasing children in the throes of tantrums it simply encourages them to do it more often and it is an unpleasant sight especially when the children have exited adolescence.
As far as Lindsay’s dark secret or her upbringing in Bozeman, etc. I have no need to feign interest or seek balance in my dislike of the character or the actress’s performance I tend to be a definitive person or in lay speak I don’t do anything half-ass. In other words, if she can be loved without compromise why can’t she be disliked without compromise.
However, she’ll probably be late for the Second Coming trying to decide between wavy, curly, or straight.
Actually, in retrospect, that was a rather civil post, I think.
Ali
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