I can't see that allowing concern over a friend to interfere with an unrelated investigation, is less acceptable than allowing concern over yourself to interfere with that investigation. To me they're both acceptable and perfectly understandable.
Well, neither is really acceptable, but in terms of being understandable, one is reacting to an issue you have (Stella relating to the woman who claimed she was attacked) and one is using what someone else went through to have an emotional outburst/let off steam. Given that Lindsay and Stella weren't even that close at that point (or ever, IMO), I think it was more than a little drama queen/attention whore behavior from Lindsay.
I think it would've sounded a bit more upbeat if she really thought she was awesome for doing what she had to do. And she might've looked less like she wanted to run screaming from the room when she was alone with the mother.
I didn't really get that all--I felt she had on her martyr face.
On Stella, I've seen the response enough ("Lindsay was going through something horrible, Stella was being so meeeaan!11!"); and with the RND thing, much the same. Both are cases, imo, of fan-apologizing - fans of the character, on knowing the reasons for their fave character's less-than-stellar moment, immediately forgive them (or find them justified) and thus turn on the character(s) in the fight. It happens to every fan of every thing, I think, so it doesn't bother me a lot, but I think that's the response the writers/producers were kind of hoping for, and basing those Lindsay-mistakes on. I mean, with RND; in no other situation would Lindsay ever come out looking good for yelling at Danny. But they'd already shown Danny "cheating". I think at that point, Lindsay could've slapped Danny and still been defended to the death :lol:. I can't think things weren't set up that way on purpose. Why have Lindsay yell in the same episode Danny slept with Rikki, if it wasn't designed to make people overlook her mistake?
Well, sure, and I think they were kind of trying to create sympathy for both characters, but just ended up muddying the waters. They basically wanted it both ways, which never works. They've gone on record saying Danny didn't cheat--but if he didn't, why was Lindsay justified in chewing him out? She did look shallow, whereas if she'd called him to the carpet for cheating, she would have come across as totally justified. But they threw in him sleeping with Rikki to make us feel sorry for Lindsay--so there was some balance. I just think it wasn't handled very well.
I'm iffy on how well Lindsay knows Danny's emotional responses, but given how well things went when she tried to predict what he'd want during the Ruben crisis (cue sarcasm ), I could see how she'd feel clueless a second time around. Pregnancy is not the same as what happened with Ruben, but what happened with Ruben could very easily have factored into how well Danny responded to the pregnancy, might have influenced that response just like the experience with Ruben influenced other parts of his life during that whole storyline. It doesn't have much to do with irresponsibility, imo; it could've been as simple as fearing that the same thing that happened to Ruben would've happened to his kid. There are a ton of factors for why Danny might've backed away, Lindsay and their relationship being only one of them. Since that's what I think Lindsay knew better than us fans do, yeah, I think his response would've been a question mark to her.
I can sort of see it from that angle, but at the same time, I think her "I know you" line was out of line. It was kind of cruel, given that if his response really was a question mark for her, she didn't know how he'd react. Why not just say, "I needed some time to figure this out" rather than "I know you," which indicates she wasn't planning on telling him anytime soon--and if she didn't absolutely have to because they work together, might never have told him.
She did give him the info and sat back to see what happened, though he had to chase her down to get that info. It wasn't hurting him to not know beforehand. If she had to take extra time to make sure she was prepared for whatever his response would be (and that did seem to be what she was still in the process of doing, given how quickly she tried to leave after giving him the ultrasound pic), I don't see the problem.
That's not really the problem--it's more the "I know you" line, indicating a judgment of him, and a real reluctance to tell him at all.
And I'm totally not disagreeing, but even in S3 they eventually gave an explanation for Lindsay's about-face (even if we didn't so much get one on Danny's sudden interest); in S4 we were given some indication that something might be going on behind-the-scenes, even if we only discovered they were "officially" together like, during the episode they split up. And this isn't even the "will-they-won't-they" dance that tons of viewers don't give a rat's behind about, it's a pregnancy/baby, which every viewer is going to notice. The only explanation we got was one night in PF and weeks of silence afterward, even though Lindsay's been pregnant and had Lucy already. If the producers wanted us to have a different impression beyond "icy-silence" of what went on between Lindsay and Danny during those weeks, they probably would've worked in a few moments.
Yeah... I think they were just going for things not being the same between them. Again, not done so well....
So true about Danny, although I'm blaming the writers if they'd meant it to imply something other than what I (and apparently Lindsay) took it as :shifty:. I'm even more confused about the Jaws thing now because I have no idea how long after RND that offer was. But I'm going with the friends approach, because he didn't seem that interested in getting back together even in LWFM. After she left he looked more bored in an "oh well" way, rather than actually disappointed.
I think he was trying, but was probably pretty confused about what he wanted or how he was supposed to be feeling then. I think he felt bad, because I think Danny's gut instinct is always to feel bad when he's called out on something, but I also think that he was testing the waters to see how pissed/upset she was... how she much she cared, basically.
And I think "I'm not going anywhere" answered that fear pretty directly; in the most direct way possible, really, aside from saying "the child's not going anywhere." (Which she couldn't really promise anyway - what if she'd had a miscarriage or something?)
No, I agree--but again, this goes back to Danny's emotional damage. Short of providing him concrete proof... ie, marrying him, or maybe legally giving him sole custody or something, he wasn't going to believe her. Insane abandonment issues and all that.
He was hers, legally, as he would've been after "The Triangle" had she said yes. Aside from that, things were basically the same back then as they were in "Green Piece". Eight episodes of him reacting solely to her belly, I'm not seeing how she would've assumed he was proposing for any different reason.
I think she was ready to buy into the fantasy by "Green Piece," and he was saying a lot of the things she wanted to hear... while at the same time, I think his insecurities and fears were very obvious, too. She just chose to overlook them. If someone offers you exactly what you want, even if a nagging voice is telling you something is off or it might not be a good thing, how long are you going to be able to say no for?
I don't think the second demand for an explanation would've erased a year's worth of reactionary (at best) interest on Danny's part. She did notice he was hurt after that second explanation, but seemed to assume he'd get over it. And to be fair, all of his reactions after that episode did seem to indicate he'd gotten over it fairly well. At least until "Sleight".
The fact that he kept trying to get that explanation out of her indicated he cared. And the fact that she was able to manipulate him into taking the mother two episodes later indicated he still cared about her. I agree that maybe she thought it wasn't that big a deal to him initially, but at the same time, she'd seen how emotional Danny was for like a year. She'd seen him get hurt several times (RSRD, Heroes). It's hard to believe she didn't have some inkling about how sensitive he was.
I also don't think the things she's done on the show support the idea that she doesn't care about his emotional well-being. Case in point, the wedding we keep talking about - it benefited him way more than it did her, and I think she had to know that going into it.
Well, it benefits her legally, too. But I think if she didn't love him, if she didn't want him to be hers--she wouldn't have gone through with the marriage. Her flirting with him in "Grounds for Deception" in the lab makes it very clear that she's still really into him.
He needed prompting twice (with regards to Ruben - needed none at all when it came to Aiden). I can't see the comment to Angell being vent-y unless I also see the killer-at-a-kindergarten one being a vent, because the latter one was far more indicative of his feelings over Ruben's death.
Well, the comment about the kindergarten was made around Mac, and I do think Danny seeks his attention/solace.
And before they hit boyfriend/girlfriend stage, it certainly wouldn't scream that he was interested in you seriously.
I don't know... I think it indicated Danny was thinking that if he was really, really nice to her, she'd want to be with him. Again, I think it's kind of indicative of him being mistreated at some key stage in his life--he only seemed/seems really interested when she's treating him like dirt.
But she would've had him either way, had she said yes. Additionally, didn't even Anna Belknap say the way Danny was asking was cute enough she felt sorry for saying no? It was a cute enough proposal, guys get nervous when they do it even if they've planned it, and she knew just as well in "Green Piece" as she did in "The Triangle" that it was all about the baby.
I don't know--I still maintain no woman is going to say yes to a proposal that starts with the guy asking about mental illness in her family, no matter how "cute" he's being. And it was too close to when she told him about the baby--it was so obvious that was why he was proposing. But later on down the road, she could fool herself a little. He was clearly interested--even if it was in the baby.
It's a frighteningly-common response in other fandoms I've been in (then again, Harry Potter fandom used to get ugly on almost a daily basis :lol, enough so that I was actually worried about seeing more of the same thing I saw on Ausiello when "The Box" was about to air. Until we heard the dialogue between Lindsay/Danny, of course.
Someone got pregnant in HP? :wtf: Shows how much I follow that fandom. :lol: But unless it's a soap and someone is actually doing that, I don't know why that would be the first assumption anyone would have about the woman's motivation... especially in this day and age.
Definitely true, although I wonder how much of that has to do with who Lindsay's dating, and whether that would change if she were dating someone else, someone she didn't work with/see all the time. She chose the easy option, going after the guy she spends half her life sitting across an office from. He's likely seen her in everything from dumpster-diving wear to autopsy-wear to you-name it. Doesn't really encourage the need to go all-out - I think the most she's ever done for Danny as far as that is keeping her curls in Season 2 because Danny responded well to them in "Risk".
Interesting... I'd never thought of it that way, that she'd kept them because of his comment.
I could see the problem with only two examples, if we'd seen him reciprocate a desire to engage on an emotional level even once after they started dating (preferably while they were dating, because I don't know how much it counts to want to invest just because you've broken up with your girlfriend and apparently. As it is, I saw no interest from him, and two attempts from Lindsay being brushed off does start to seem like a lot.
The problem here is that we didn't see a lot of them as a couple before things went south in season four. I think he was sweet/supportive in "Boo." I think Danny is afraid to open himself up because he knows how difficult he is emotionally--and was probably told that at some formative stage in his life--and assumes that someone dealing with that in a relationship would immediately want to head for the hills.
He was clearly uncomfortable in "The Deep" with her expressing concern--though I think he was with Hawkes, too, when Hawkes thanked him. Danny doesn't think much of himself when it comes down to it, and one thing I find interesting is that when he does do something right or save the day, people do tend to make a big deal out of it. Everyone: Mac and Stella did in "The Thing About Heroes" when he saved everyone on the train. I think Danny's low self-esteem is obvious to everyone. And he never really seems to know how to react when they do make a big deal--usually he just doesn't say anything, or does try to brush it off or change the subject. So I don't think his reaction was so specific to her in that case.
And as I've said in "Child's Play," he was already on his way out. He was clearly more at ease with her when joking around, like in "You Only Die Once" and "Commuted Sentences," when his emotional vulnerability wasn't right there in the foreground. It makes me wonder if he didn't pull away from her after Ruben's death to try to shield her from that side of himself--the side he assumed would send her running for the hills.