Vegetarian thread

Are there any vegetarians on the forum? I've just recently become a vegetarian because I couldn't stand the thought of cruelty to animals any longer. I've been a vegetarian now for 47 days.

Did You Know? A Vegetarian Diet Is Good For You, Too!

- Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters. Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are.

- The consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products has also been strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence. Scientists have also found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than their meat-eating friends; this means that they are less susceptible to everyday illnesses like the flu. Vegetarians and vegans live, on average, six to 10 years longer than meat-eaters.

- A plant-based diet is the best diet for kids, too: Studies have shown that vegetarian kids grow taller and have higher IQs than their classmates, and they are at a reduced risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other diseases in the long run. Studies have shown that even older people who switch to a vegetarian or vegan diet can prevent and even reverse many chronic ailments.

Animals And The Environment Will Thank You

- Nearly half of the water consumed in this country is used for livestock.

- Farmed animals produce about 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population of the United States, and since factory farms don't have sewage treatment systems as our cities and towns do, this concentrated slop ends up polluting our water, destroying our topsoil, and contaminating our air

- Animals feel pain too.

- Animals feel fear too.

- Dairy cows on average produce up to 100 gallons of milk a day, 10 times the amount they're supposed to.

- Animals are confined in small cramped cages for their entire lives, never to see the sun or run and frolock in luscious green pastures like they should be able to. They're subjected to cruelty without painkillers or compassion.

Meet Your Animals- They're Friends, Too!

Chickens
Chickens are inquisitive, interesting animals who are thought to be as intelligent as cats, dogs, and even some primates. They understand sophisticated intellectual concepts, learn from watching each other, and even have cultural knowledge that is passed from generation to generation. Dr. Chris Evans, a scientist who studies avian cognition says, “As a trick at conferences I sometimes list these attributes, without mentioning chickens, and people think I’m talking about monkeys.”

Pigs
Pigs are curious and insightful animals thought to have intelligence beyond that of an average 3-year-old human child. They are smarter than dogs and every bit as friendly, loyal, and affectionate. Scientists and scholars who have studied pigs say that pigs are the smartest animals outside of primates. Says Dr. Donald Broom, scientific advisor to the British government, “[Pigs] have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year-olds.”

Fish
Fish are smart, sensitive animals with their own unique personalities. They have excellent memories and can learn to avoid nets by watching other fish in their group and can recognize individual “shoal mates.” Some fish gather information by eavesdropping on others, and some even use tools. Says marine biologist Dr. Sylvia Earle, “They’re so good-natured, so curious. You know, fish are sensitive, they have personalities, they hurt when they're wounded.

Cows
Cows are intelligent, loyal animals who enjoy solving problems. Cows have been known to use their smarts to perform amazing feats, such as leaping over a 6-foot fence to escape a slaughterhouse, walking 7 miles to be reunited with a calf after being sold at auction, and swimming across a river to freedom. When cows figure out the solution to a problem, they have a “Eureka!” moment, according to animal behaviorists.

Turkeys
Turkeys are social, playful birds who enjoy the company of others. They relish having their feathers stroked and like to chirp, cluck, and gobble along to their favorite tunes. According to Oregon State University poultry scientist Tom Savage, turkeys are “smart animals with personality and character, and keen awareness of their surroundings.”

Ducks and Geese
Geese are very loyal to their families and very protective of their partners and offspring. Often, they will refuse to leave an injured or sick mate or chicks behind, even if winter is approaching and the other geese in the group are flying south. After a partner dies, some geese spend the rest of their lives without a mate; this can be a long time, because geese can live up to 25 years.

Information courtesy of GoVeg.Com


ETA: Changed the offending thread title
 
Good for you quoth_the_raven!! I've been seriously considering vegetarianism for a while now, but I'm still in thought :D I'm currently subscribed to PeTA newsletters and enjoy listening/watching their ads and awareness programs.
So, did you make the switch to vegetarian quickly.. or did it take some time?
 
desertwind, I almost posted this in the "Healthy Choices" thread but I didn't want to turn that thread into just a discussion on vegetarianism and the like. I wanted to make a thread that was specifically for that so the discussion of it didn't dominate that thread :) The mods can always lock this one though, I just wasn't positive!

And grissoms_gurl, I actually made the choice suddenly. It was something I had always thought about but I decided one day to become a vegetarian and I went cold-turkey. And I actually enjoy food a lot more now! Everything's a lot more healthy and it's fun to experiment with different recipes :)
 
I've put some serious thought into it for sure. I adore PETA and everything they stand for. I'm not much of a meat eater as it is (and milk disgusts me)

I think i'm going to check out the website again, i really need to find some recipes to help get me started. Any words of wisdom for me? :lol:
 
That's awesome quoth_the_raven! I think it's an excellent choice, and I'm still seriously considering it. I'm not sure that I could do it cold turkey like you!! I may have to slowly take myself off :lol:
 
grissoms_girl, that's totally fine! A lot of people do that :) Everyone has their own pace and you shouldn't force it on yourself. Some people do it overnight and other people do it gradually. It's a process!

Nirvana, the site has some great recipes! And there are tons of brands you can find at your local supermarket that are substitutes for meat and dairy, and they're all just as tasty and twice as good for you! Morningstar Farms has tons of products including faux bacon, sausage, veggie burgers, 'chicken' patties, 'steak' strips, 'chicken' strips as well as tons of other brands. Gardenburger is good too (they have the best veggie burgers IMO ;)).

Oh, and soy milk is da bomb :p
 
Even though I'm not a vegetarian I've had a couple Morningstar Farms products, which were delicious. The one I lved was called called Grillers, I think it was suposed to be a substution meat burger, if ya'll stilleat dairy, I recomend addng cheese on it.
 
Ann, you know, only geeks say "da bomb". Guilty. :lol:

The ones who know me know I've tried vegeterianism. Well, almost tried it. I'd been thinking about it for some time now, but my parents wouldn't let me. I do eat a lot of veggies, though. Just last night I tried asparagus for the first time, and boy, let me tell you, it was excellent!

I've never eating anything subsitutionwise, but apparently it's good. I think if I was to go off meat, it would have to be just meat - Eggs and milk are high up there on my "yummy list" and I don't like soy. Bummer. Although cows are made to produce more milk than they should, I think milk and eggs are fine for myself. But those are just my opinions. "To each his own.." Espically in Vegas. ;)
 
I don't have any problem with vegetarians or vegans, but the title of this thread is very offending. And I don't take things easily as "offending".

I change the title and if there is wanted some other catchy title - I'll put it up.


Posted by quoth_the_raven

Cows

Cows are intelligent, loyal animals who enjoy solving problems. Cows have been known to use their smarts to perform amazing feats, such as leaping over a 6-foot fence to escape a slaughterhouse, walking 7 miles to be reunited with a calf after being sold at auction, and swimming across a river to freedom. When cows figure out the solution to a problem, they have a “Eureka!” moment, according to animal behaviorists.

First. Cow doesn't jump over 6ft fence. Yes, they can probably jump over a 4-5 ft fence but 6 is too much. So there is some addition in that number.

Cows are strong group animals and yes, they travel but they also are very keen on humans who take care of them. If I leave the barn door open and let them outside, very soon they are waiting to get back inside. And yes, they are smart and learn fast, but at least here most of people take very good care of their cows - they are like queens. You keep your daily routines the same because changes stress the cows. And here hormones are forbidden (unlike in US). And I swear that most farmers, when they have to put a cow to a truck when it has to be put to slaughterhouse, has tears in eyes (perhaps now beefcattle farmers since they are more used to it).
 
Thank you DaWacko, the thread title was bothering me.

What I'd like to know, from all you vegetarians on this forum, is why you become/became a vegetarian. quoth_the_raven, you say it's because you can't stand the thought of animal cruelty. Why didn't you switch to free-range or biological meat?
 
i find it interesting when people cite animal cruelty as a reason for the switch. a wide spread vegetarian or vegan diet kills more animals than an omnivorous one. animals in the fields of crops get killed (quite brutally i might add) when farm equipment comes to harvest. in the states alone, a country wide vegan diet would kill 1.8 billion animals per year. compared to now where about 1.35 billion animals die per year (this includes ones being eaten and wild animals killed in the fields) so veganism is not the choice of least harm by a long shot.

but in the end the decision is personal. yes there are health benefits to a vegan diet but there are risks too. as for me, i could never make the switch. no matter how many times i try i cant force down any soy product :lol:

as for peta, some of their messages may be right but their methods are extreme, inappropriate, and hypocritical. so even though i care about animal welfare, i will never support peta
 
I have been a vegetarian for two years now. I really care about animals and I have been a member of the local SPCA for quite a long time now. I don't like veganism, it's too extreme I think and it's not really healthy. Vegetarianism, though, is not healthy either but well.. I have lost a lot of weight :lol:. I love soy milk, it's yummy.

PETA is also too extreme for me..
 
I apologize to everyone if you found the thread title offending, I actually stole the slogan from somewhere else. I should've known better and actually after I had posted the thread I regretted putting that in the title. I understand how it could have offended people and I apologize once more, that was definitely not my intent. PETA in my eyes is honorable but some things they do are a bit too extreme, I have to admit.

Lauw, free-range and biological meat to me is all the same. They still slaughter animals for food without compassion and just because they say they're 'free-range' doesn't mean they're free-range. It's just like products that say 'this finished product was not tested on animals'. The 'finished' part is the tricky part. That means that they could've tested on animals throughout the process of turning it into a 'finished' product.

I understand that not all people are this way with their animals and I give the tip of my hat to those who aren't. :) I don't understand however how a vegan diet could kill more animals than a meat diet.
 
i can give you the citation, but not the whole article, because i have access to it through a university subscription. i cant quote the article because its copyrighted.

Davis, Steven L. 2003. The Least Harm Principle May Require that Humans Consume a Diet Containing Large Herbivores, Not a Vegan Diet. Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics 16:387-394

and im sorry my one figure was wrong, the 1.35 billion animals only includes large ruminants being eaten, not poultry.

the point of the article is that about half the animals living in fields are killed by machinery during crop harvesting and if everyone is eating only crop products there is more harvesting.
i just wanted to clear up the misconception that vegan/vegetarian diets dont result in animal death. whereas animals in the food industry are slaughtered due to regulations with welfare in mind, theres little they can do about regulating the field animals that get mangled during a harvest
 
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